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David Atkatz 08-21-2011 03:44 PM

What's not to get? He and Priddy are in cahoots, and they're both thieves.

travrosty 08-21-2011 06:55 PM

piedmont sport is acting like he had no idea that priddy was so bad at authenticating autographs, when obviously they had a previous long lasting professional relationship. how could you not know? he seems to be feigning surprise, in the meantime he has numerous mathewson and ruth's, more than any serious collector with unlimited funds could probably ever put together in one collection.

slidekellyslide 08-21-2011 07:14 PM

I heard a rumor that the Matty and Ruth autos were for sale at the East Coast National.

thetruthisoutthere 08-21-2011 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide (Post 919060)
I heard a rumor that the Matty and Ruth autos were for sale at the East Coast National.

If that's true, it sure wouldn't surprise me.

Scott Garner 08-21-2011 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide (Post 919060)
I heard a rumor that the Matty and Ruth autos were for sale at the East Coast National.

If that rumor is true, we have a skank.
Very sad!! :(

RichardSimon 08-21-2011 08:05 PM

I am shocked, shocked to find forgeries being sold at a baseball card show.
Of all the card shows in all the towns in all the world, he walks into this one.
Justin, I think this could have been the beginning of a beautiful friendship.
Round up the usual suspects.
Here's looking at you, Justin.
:p;):D:o:):rolleyes::eek:

travrosty 08-21-2011 08:47 PM

of all the gin joints in the world, he walks into mine.

i think ace does a great job, proving quality, accurate authentications at an economical price providing great value to the consumer.

did we all throw up in our mouth a little bit reading that?

a lot of his michael jackson signatures are horrendous, and there is so many of them.

also a lot of his mike tyson. just horrendous in my not so humble opinion.

Big Six 08-21-2011 09:08 PM

It looked like Piedmont closed up shop early today in white plains...didn't hear any reason why...around 2:00ish...

mr2686 08-22-2011 05:34 AM

He probably heard that the postal police were coming! :eek:

RichardSimon 08-22-2011 06:42 AM

When shows were actually good, Gloria Rothstein ran the White Plains show and dealers were not allowed to leave early, upon penalty of losing your table.
When shows started to lose their appeal and luster, dealers would start packing it in early on Sunday with no fear of her threats. The room would be mostly empty by 2pm on Sunday.

Big Dave 08-22-2011 07:46 AM

Justin is still listed as the Moderator on the Autograph Forum site, even though he hasn't post anything there in three years.

Don't know why he was ever offered that position to begin with.

travrosty 08-22-2011 10:57 AM

I hate it when dealers pack up early and clear out after noon on sunday.

It's not fair to the collectors browsing on Sunday afternoon. It should be if you pack up early, don't bother coming back. Or have a credit card on file that gets charged if you leave early, or something.

travrosty 08-22-2011 12:12 PM

Piedmont Sport is NO LONGER listed on ACE's website as an authorized dealer. Someone is reading this blog, doing damage control.

Leon 08-25-2011 01:51 PM

another day another Cease and Desist.
 
Thanks to Frank Prisco....I needed a good laugh today!!!

l
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Mr. Leon Luckey
eonl@flash.net
via electronic communication, only

Re: Mr. Frank Prisco/Piedmont Sports

Dear Mr. Lucky:

Please be advised that I represent Mr. Frank Prisco. It has come to my attention that there is an Internet “thread/forum” that disparages my client and/or his business, Piedmont Sports. We demand that you immediately cease and desist having, holding and/or engaging in any Internet, telephonic, written and/or electronic discussions regarding my client. We further demand that you remove all of the “thread” that discusses my client and/.or his business.
This correspondence will serve as your legal notice under the provisions of Pennsylvania and Federal law to cease all communication with any parties in regard to my client. If you fail to heed this notice, I will file a formal Complaint against you.
Your egregious conduct is considered Trade Libel and is actionable and compensable. The publication of a disparaging statement concerning the business of another is actionable where: (1) the statement is false; (2) the publisher either intends the publication to cause pecuniary loss or reasonably should recognize that publication will result in pecuniary loss; (3) pecuniary loss does in fact result; and (4) the publisher either knows that the statement is false or acts in reckless disregard of its truth or falsity. As your counsel would advise, an action for trade libel is calculated to protect against derogatory statements that affect the marketability of a party's goods or services. Surely, these careless, false, slanderous postings have done exactly that.



Page -2-
August 25, 2011


I trust that these actions will cease. If you should have any questions and/or concerns please do not hesitate to contact me. Give this very important matter the attention it deserves.

Very Truly Yours




______________________________
Stephanie J. Brown, Esquire

SJB/sb
cc: Mr. Frank J. Prisco

barrysloate 08-25-2011 01:54 PM

Egad.

calvindog 08-25-2011 01:56 PM

Pitiful. As if some ten cent lawyer letter will somehow prevent the discovery of rampant fraud in his operation. Frank, address the problem instead of trying to bully it away. You're losing any credibility you have; actually, that lawyer's letter probably just eliminated whatever remained.

sago 08-25-2011 01:57 PM

Leon,
Does posting that e-mail count in being told to no longer post about Piedmont? ;)

GrayGhost 08-25-2011 02:03 PM

What a mess. Leon, you may need to drop everything. You dont' need legal issues, plus he could sue each of us and I don't have the money to defend myself:)

calvindog 08-25-2011 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrayGhost (Post 920089)
What a mess. Leon, you may need to drop everything. You dont' need legal issues, plus he could sue each of us and I don't have the money to defend myself:)

I do.

RichardSimon 08-25-2011 02:08 PM

Leon,
You must have been really nervous when you got that letter :):).
Glad to see Jeff stepping up, way to go Jeff,, my money is on you.

Fuddjcal 08-25-2011 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 920085)
Pitiful. As if some ten cent lawyer letter will somehow prevent the discovery of rampant fraud in his operation. Frank, address the problem instead of trying to bully it away. You're losing any credibility you have; actually, that lawyer's letter probably just eliminated whatever remained.

FRANK THE TANK....what a complete JACKITY JACK ASS..You my friend are an idiot.:)

I gave you the benifit of the doubt, but now I am convinced you are a forger or are in bed with the criminal element and knew damned well what you were doing as a seasoned Autograph dealer (term used loosely), buying 30+ Christy Matewson cut signatures and trying to resell them as authentic. I told you not to be stupid you moron.:eek:

As a collector, I welcome you to sue me jerk face. It is of my opinion, By hiding behind your partner and her law degree, you are a crook and are not looking to confront reality.

Chuck A. Tapia, Esq.

calvindog 08-25-2011 02:26 PM

What's amazing is that he claims this attorney is his business partner - and she doesn't dispute it.

Exhibitman 08-25-2011 02:39 PM

Dear Ms. Brown:

Might I suggest that you crack open a law book before threatening people. Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996 [Title V of the Telecommunications Act of 1996, 47 U.S.C. § 230(c)(1)] provides immunity from liability for providers and users of an "interactive computer service" who publish information provided by others: "No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider." In Carafano v. Metrosplash.com, 339 F.3d 1119 (9th Cir. 2003), the court upheld immunity for an Internet dating service provider from liability stemming from third party's submission of false profile. In Batzel v. Smith, 333 F.3d 1018 (9th Cir. 2003) immunity was upheld for a website operator for distributing an email to a listserv where the plaintiff claimed the email was defamatory.

In other words, tell your client to pound sand.

Exhibitman 08-25-2011 02:41 PM

Or, as we lawyers would really like to say:

Great. Let me get this down. Delete all threads about your client... Oh, wait! I got a better idea. Instead of that, how about I send you a hobo's d**k cheese? Then, you sue. Do your thing, file your case. Go to town, man. Go to town! In the meantime and as usual, go **** yourself.

http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibit...s-grossman.jpg

thetruthisoutthere 08-25-2011 02:49 PM

May I remind you, Frank, that you started all of this with your "Dead on" Babe Ruth signed note.

And what about ACE (Justin Priddy), Frank? Did your lawyer send him a letter, too?

We all stand behind Leon, Frank.

I wanted to correct myself here; the comment written by Frank in reference to his "Dead on" Babe Ruth was posted in the other thread titled "Authentic or Fake, You Be The Judge."

But nonetheless, Frank still came on here and paraded his "Dead on" Babe Ruth, which initiated us looking at his website where the Silver Certificates signed by Babe Ruth (certed by ACE) were discovered.

Scott Garner 08-25-2011 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exhibitman (Post 920107)
Or, as we lawyers would really like to say:

Great. Let me get this down. Delete all threads about your client... Oh, wait! I got a better idea. Instead of that, how about I send you a hobo's d**k cheese? Then, you sue. Do your thing, file your case. Go to town, man. Go to town! In the meantime and as usual, go **** yourself.

http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibit...s-grossman.jpg

HYSTERICAL!!! :p

slidekellyslide 08-25-2011 03:18 PM

Hi Frank! :)

http://www.ripoffreport.com/insuranc...a-iq-cfafa.htm

Brendan 08-25-2011 03:40 PM

I hope you do file a formal complaint, Frank. I'm sure there are people who would be happy to hear about your fraudulent business practices.

slidekellyslide 08-25-2011 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brendan (Post 920133)
I hope you do file a formal complaint, Frank. I'm sure there are people who would be happy to hear about your fraudulent business practices.

I'd pay good money to see Frank Prisco on the stand answering questions from Jeffrey Lichtman. :D

All Frank had to do was answer the questions posed to him on this forum about the Ruth and Matty sigs...instead he ignores them (all the while checking in to the board..anyone can see that on his profile page..he's reading the forum right now) and now he's escalated things to a point that he may hurt his own business more than he knows.

calvindog 08-25-2011 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide (Post 920125)

Funny stuff! And Stephanie Brown, ESQ. made an appearance there as well!

thetruthisoutthere 08-25-2011 05:04 PM

By the way, Frank, we are still waiting for the results of the ACE certed autographs that you claimed you were sending to JSA?

What are the results, Frank?

In the beginning of this thread you "Thanked" Dave after he explained to you why those Silver Certificates could not possibly be signed by Babe Ruth and yet you have your lawyer send Mr. Leon Luckey a letter demanding removal of this thread.

Frank, what do you think the consequences for you should be for attempting to sell Silver Certificates issued after 1960 signed by Babe Ruth?

What kind of person are you, Frank? The collectors here who contribute their knowledge of collecting and autographs have done all they can to educate you and what is your reaction; to have your lawyer send Mr. Leon Luckey a demand to remove this thread!!!

Did you have your lawyer send a letter to ACE for authenticating those Babe Ruth signed Silver Certificates?

Then your contribution to the other thread (Authentic Or Fake, You Be The Judge) about your "Dead On" Babe Ruth continued the thread and now you want it removed.

No way!!!!

Wite3 08-25-2011 05:37 PM

How about people jump over to his Piedmont face book page and start posting there. He did post Tuesday. Maybe give his followers a heads up that he is now "missing."

Joshua

Seems he signed up for a new auction site too...webstore.com

Wite3 08-25-2011 05:41 PM

Oh...how about leaving him a review on his yelp site to help him out...

http://www.yelp.com/writeareview/biz...tWvc0gw1ZN0Qrg

slidekellyslide 08-25-2011 09:09 PM

It's getting worse...

http://www.network54.com/Forum/52660...+any+recourse-

GrayGhost 08-26-2011 05:20 AM

this guy is really bad news it seems. Sad, but it seems all these posts are getting exposure to him.

Leon 08-26-2011 06:25 AM

yeah but
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GrayGhost (Post 920321)
this guy is really bad news it seems. Sad, but it seems all these posts are getting exposure to him.

I am not so sure the adage "all publicity is good publicity" is true in this case.

Wite3 08-26-2011 07:25 AM

I clearly remember Mark Finn and this guy...it was just awful...Frank is one of the bigger scam artists around and would love to see his business shut down for good.

Joshua

RichardSimon 08-26-2011 01:41 PM

Joshua - can you expand on that Mark Finn story for those of us who don't know it?
Was he in business with Frank or a victim of a scam??

RichardSimon 08-26-2011 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leon (Post 920332)
I am not so sure the adage "all publicity is good publicity" is true in this case.

+1

vintagechris 08-26-2011 03:16 PM

Anybody know how old Frank Is? He wouldn't happen to be 49 would he?

thetruthisoutthere 08-26-2011 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vintagechris (Post 920490)
Anybody know how old Frank Is? He wouldn't happen to be 49 would he?

I wouldn't know his age, but there is a photo of him (Frank) and Spence on his website.

http://www.piedmontsport.com/

vintagechris 08-26-2011 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vintagechris (Post 920490)
Anybody know how old Frank Is? He wouldn't happen to be 49 would he?

check that, is he 46?

Exhibitman 08-26-2011 03:43 PM

Why are there so many sleazebags in this hobby? Though it is kind of nice to be in a field where lawyers look clean by comparison.

thetruthisoutthere 08-26-2011 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vintagechris (Post 920495)
check that, is he 46?

Why is Frank's age relevant?

RichardSimon 08-26-2011 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere (Post 920493)
I wouldn't know his age, but there is a photo of him (Frank) and Spence on his website.

http://www.piedmontsport.com/

Aesop's Moral:
A man is known by the company he keeps.

There are now two negative reviews now on Yelp about Piedmont Sports.
Frank and Ms. Attorney you would have been better off letting sleeping dogs lie. (Another Aesop? I don't think so, but you never know :) )

Wite3 08-26-2011 05:04 PM

Memory has been shot lately but if I recall Mark was a victim of Frank. Bought some stuff from him off ebay and Frank screwed him, kept his money, split the lot, and relisted the cards. I may be off but someone on the non-sports side might be able to answer better. I am not over there that often anymore.

Wite3 08-26-2011 05:06 PM

I almost feel bad for Spence now...like someone said..."company you keep"

thecatspajamas 08-26-2011 05:47 PM

Joshua,
That may have been the infamous Steve Schwartz you're thinking of that ripped off Mr. Finn (who is indeed much more active on the non-sports side of the boards). Lots of back-and-forth exchanges on the Non-Sports boards over that, but the only reference to Frank Prisco that I could find in the archives on the NS side is the one that Dan pointed out earlier.

thetruthisoutthere 08-26-2011 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piedmont Sport (Post 917231)
Thanks Dave - I know the coin shop that they were purchased at in Philadelphia - i'll be there today

Frank, did you also ask Justin Priddy (ACE) why he authenticated those Babe Ruth signed Silver Certificates?

RichardSimon 08-26-2011 08:09 PM

Frank: Justin why did you authenticate those Babe Ruth signed Silver Certificates? I pay you good money to do the job right.
Justin: Uh, duh, duh, uh,,,, gotta go Frank.

Leon 08-26-2011 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardSimon (Post 920599)
Frank: Justin why did you authenticate those Babe Ruth signed Silver Certificates? I pay you good money to do the job right.
Justin: Uh, duh, duh, uh,,,, gotta go Frank.

Actually, maybe it was a babe named Ruth?

canjond 08-26-2011 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leon (Post 920601)
Actually, maybe it was a babe named Ruth?

Leon you just reminded me of my favorite Ruth autograph ever!

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j2...field/Ruth.jpg

oriolesbb6 08-26-2011 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrayGhost (Post 920089)
What a mess. Leon, you may need to drop everything. You dont' need legal issues, plus he could sue each of us and I don't have the money to defend myself:)

I better sell some of my items in CC to raise some funds for you......

calvindog 08-26-2011 09:21 PM

A lot of people on this thread are going to be receiving threatening letters from a lawyer shortly if you don't watch it!

slidekellyslide 08-26-2011 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wite3 (Post 920524)
Memory has been shot lately but if I recall Mark was a victim of Frank. Bought some stuff from him off ebay and Frank screwed him, kept his money, split the lot, and relisted the cards. I may be off but someone on the non-sports side might be able to answer better. I am not over there that often anymore.

Yep, it was Frank that ripped him off...here's the thread with a screenshot of one of Frank's previous ebay accounts.


http://www.network54.com/Forum/52660...+any+recourse-

Leon 08-26-2011 09:55 PM

one question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 920623)
A lot of people on this thread are going to be receiving threatening letters from a lawyer shortly if you don't watch it!

No worries. Which stack will this one go in? :)

Shoeless Moe 08-26-2011 10:17 PM

I can see it now.......
 
Judge Landis: *Consider yourself in Contempt!*

Leon: *Colonel Brisco, did you order the Cincinnati Red (Mathewson Auto)?*

Judge Landis: You *don't* have to answer that question!

Col. Brisco: I'll answer the question!
[to Leon]

Col. Brisco: You want answers?

Leon: I think I'm entitled to.

Col. Brisco: *You want answers?*

Leon: *I want the Ruth!*

Col. Brisco: *You can't handle the Ruth!*
[pauses]

Col. Brisco: Son, we live in a hobby that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with mitts. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Atkins? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for the suckers who buy the fake autos, and you curse the Net54. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That some poor suckers fake Ruth, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the Ruth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the fake autos that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide them. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a Slabbed Card, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

Leon: Did you order the Cincinnati Red x13?

Col. Brisco: I did the job I...

Leon: *Did you order the Cincinnati Red x13?!!!!!!!*

Col. Brisco: *You're Goddamn right I did!*

slidekellyslide 08-26-2011 11:15 PM

Bravo Shoeless! The funny thing is, I actually watched that movie today on AMC.

docpatlv 08-26-2011 11:20 PM

Well done Paul...now that's pretty damn funny!

Big Dave 08-27-2011 03:46 PM

Sure looks like I opened a can of worms in regard to the Babe Ruth Silver Certificates.

Over 10,000 hits equals a lot of words being spread around.

Frank should have followed up with what he said he was going to do, if those statements had any basis in fact.

thetruthisoutthere 08-27-2011 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe (Post 920642)
Judge Landis: *Consider yourself in Contempt!*

Leon: *Colonel Brisco, did you order the Cincinnati Red (Mathewson Auto)?*

Judge Landis: You *don't* have to answer that question!

Col. Brisco: I'll answer the question!
[to Leon]

Col. Brisco: You want answers?

Leon: I think I'm entitled to.

Col. Brisco: *You want answers?*

Leon: *I want the Ruth!*

Col. Brisco: *You can't handle the Ruth!*
[pauses]

Col. Brisco: Son, we live in a hobby that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with mitts. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Atkins? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for the suckers who buy the fake autos, and you curse the Net54. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That some poor suckers fake Ruth, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the Ruth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the fake autos that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide them. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a Slabbed Card, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

Leon: Did you order the Cincinnati Red x13?

Col. Brisco: I did the job I...

Leon: *Did you order the Cincinnati Red x13?!!!!!!!*

Col. Brisco: *You're Goddamn right I did!*

That's funny stuff, Paul!!!

novakjr 08-27-2011 04:20 PM

From Piedmont's website: "Purchasing single and multiple cards, in addition to autographs and other memorabilia. Contact us today!"

Would these qualify as other memorabilia?

Wite3 08-28-2011 08:44 PM

If anyone wants to ask Frank about his dealings he will be attending this Plaxico Burress signing event...maybe Frank can get some tips about jail when he is finally nailed for mail fraud. He rsvp'ed yes to this event according to one of his facebook accounts.

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=262660380429555

mschwade 08-30-2011 08:05 PM

So I was given this in 2001 and have been donning this on my walls not ever even think it might be a forgery. What's everyone's opinion on this? The talk of the Jeter forgeries in this thread had me questioning my own.

http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/1080/1130683.JPG

GrayGhost 08-30-2011 09:17 PM

Sorry, NO chance that Jeter is good

roarfrom34 08-31-2011 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrayGhost (Post 921587)
Sorry, NO chance that Jeter is good

I concur

Mr. Zipper 08-31-2011 07:01 AM

Sorry, the Jeter is certainly not authentic.

mschwade 08-31-2011 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper (Post 921624)
Sorry, the Jeter is certainly not authentic.

That stinks. Been showing it off on my walls for years. :( At least it was a gift and not something I put my hard earned money out for.

Mr. Zipper 08-31-2011 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mschwade (Post 921627)
That stinks. Been showing it off on my walls for years. :( At least it was a gift and not something I put my hard earned money out for.

We've all been there. I had a fake Mantle in my son's room for 3 years. Embarassing. When I learned I took it right down.

You want to replace it with an image of a real Jeter signature?

I can send you a high res scan of a real Jeter signed 8x10. Make an 8x10 photo print at Walmart and replace the fake. Under glass no one will know it is a photo reproduction.

Or you can spend $500 and get one from Steiner. :eek:

RichardSimon 08-31-2011 09:05 AM

Or you can spend $xxx and buy another fake one on many websites and many auction sites.
I am virtually certain there are more bad Jeter autographs on the web than real ones.

Exhibitman 08-31-2011 12:42 PM

For a modern player like Jeter I've gotten to the point where I either get it myself or I get a mfg-certified signed card [yes, I know they aren't foolproof either].

http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibit...size/Jeter.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibit...size/Aaron.jpg

RichardSimon 08-31-2011 03:56 PM

[QUOTE=Exhibitman;921697]For a modern player like Jeter I've gotten to the point where I either get it myself or I get a mfg-certified signed card [yes, I know they aren't foolproof either].

And let us not forget the dealers who also can say "I get deceased ball players myself."
Some of them have a conduit straight to the graveyard.

windband 09-27-2011 11:19 AM

My experience with Piedmont Sports
 
I know this forum has been pretty inactive for a while but I just discovered it and wanted to chime in and share my experience dealing with Frank and Piedmont sports. I was the purchaser of Mantle Aaron ball discussed on this forum back in April

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=135030

I originally went to his store to sell him an antique football jersey I owned. He offered me $50 cash or store credit. So I looked at his online store and saw the ball for sale on ebay. I won the auction for about $45 so I just considered it an even trade with him. I picked up the ball and then started researching it a bit more which is how I found the forum discussing it's authenticity which I immediately brought to his attention. He responded saying he would track down or obtain a cert for it. After a few weeks he gave up on the cert but was confident that the Aaron was real and the Mantle clubhouse. He gave me the option of retrieving my jersey or keeping the ball. I found a very similar ball personalized to the same person by Ted Williams and also signed by Hank Aaron and Certed by JSA.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/370501097523...84.m1438.l2649

The Aaron Sig is almost identical so I figured they were signed around the same time and decided to keep the ball since $50 for an Aaron autograph on a Cronin ball was still a good deal.

When I went to pick up the ball Frank pulled a real classy move (no sarcasm implied) and decided to give me my Jersey back as well so basically the ball was completely free. To make the deal sweeter it occurred to me that if their ever was a cert for the ball with JSA as Frank claimed; that it would probably have been certed around the same time as that Ted Williams/Aaron ball on ebay. That ball's cert # is B88462 so I went to JSA's site and searched similar numbers. Bam!!! B88464 was a match (an Aaron Sig with clubhouse Mantle on a Reach ball). The whole experience with Frank was a bit shady but it taught me a lot about collecting and I left Piedmont a Satisfied customer. This forum is obviously discussing a much bigger issue but I figured I'de share my 2 cents.

P.S. I sold the antique Football Jersey on ebay for over $300 so I'm really happy he gave it back.

slidekellyslide 09-27-2011 01:00 PM

Windband, as per our forum rules you must put your name at the end of your post if you want to participate in this thread.

Leon 09-27-2011 01:37 PM

just spoke to him
 
I just spoke to windband (poster right above) on the phone. Except for showing in a Google search he is cool with having his name out here, which is Dan Saltzma@....I appreciate his understanding. regards

mr2686 09-28-2011 08:47 AM

Quote:

After a few weeks he gave up on the cert but was confident that the Aaron was real and the Mantle clubhouse.
Wow...and after several pages of going back and forth with me about how the Mantle had to be real because the Aaron was real and that some "real" Mantles looked like that because not all look like the fancy ones you see from shows.
I'm wondering how, after a few weeks of not finding the cert, he suddenly had the revelation that the Mantle was a clubhouse? Some things just make you go hmmmm.

RichardSimon 09-28-2011 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr2686 (Post 928001)
Wow...and after several pages of going back and forth with me about how the Mantle had to be real because the Aaron was real and that some "real" Mantles looked like that because not all look like the fancy ones you see from shows.
I'm wondering how, after a few weeks of not finding the cert, he suddenly had the revelation that the Mantle was a clubhouse? Some things just make you go hmmmm.

I find it interesting too, and hmmmm worthy, that someone who never posted before appears on the board with his first and only post, and states what he states.

windband 09-28-2011 11:27 AM

What do you find hmmm worthy? I'm not defending his actions I was just sharing my experience. He sold me the ball originally under false pretenses (that it was signed by both Aaron and Mantle) which is wrong but in the end he righted it for me. Obviously had I not discovered the forum or done much research I would have probably found out years later that the ball was not what I expected it to be and been really angry.

My situation was unique but in the end so is everyone's, if I had paid thousands of dollars for a Babe Ruth that was fake I would be livid. And potential future customer should be aware of his actions. He obviously has not reacted to this situation appropriately and after reading through this forum I have made a personal decision not to do business with him again in the future. But I am satisfied with the experience that I had with him.

canjond 09-28-2011 01:32 PM

Richard - I love ya and always appreciate your help, but I gotta agree with Dan (the new poster) on this one.

People find this board all the time by just googling and if we were never going to let new posters on the forum, then Leon should just close down registration right now. Hey, we all got to start with our first post somewhere, right? I see nothing fishy with Dan coming on this thread with what he said.

RichardSimon 09-28-2011 04:10 PM

There was a Southern philosopher who years ago said something about "suspicious minds" , I guess I am just naturally a skeptic when it comes to some internet forum postings.
Mr. S,,,,,,, if I am mistaken in my earlier premise, where I had expressed doubts about your story, then I do apologize.


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