Please excuse my ignorance, but I don't understand why you can't comment on public, well documented scandals. For someone who has supposednly been in the hobby long enough to start a business involving the hobby I would think they would know about WIWAG whatever acronym was used. Also your whole company is based on the existence of fraud and scandals, if it didn't exist, there would be no need for forensics.

forget commenting.....
 

Forget commenting. When Lloyd and I spoke on the phone he said he had NEVER heard about them. That was my issue....not the fact they will or won't comment, but they were ignorant of WIWAG, Operation Bullpen, CAC or any of the myriad issues with GAI. As I said...must be experience doing something else. It's certainly not in the hobby....or if it is, lets hear of this 100 yrs of experience. I will be glad to state my experience in the hobby, which isn't a ton but at least I know of those things mentioned above :)

The service might be good for a buyer but will cut into any sellers profits even more, this is going to be a very tough sell all around. I do wish you the best of luck, you have a long way to go, right now you are at the base of Niagara falls attempting to paddle up to the top, but atleast you are in a boat with a paddle.

Just a quick note folks... yes, we have taken the time to entertain and answer the most appropriate questions in detail. We are very happy to do that. We have also touched on our backgrounds and how it applies to the service. In addition, we have a press release that is due out next week, which will be our official statement and will expand on my team and the service. It will be available on several PR sites and through a basic Google search.

We understand that this is all new to everyone and that the service may work for some but may not others. It may be an acquired taste or it may not be. You are all entitled to your opinions and that's great, we would have it no other way. Every product or service needs to be put to the test, ours is no different.

We do, however, need to ask that you please refrain from requesting our personal information - we will not post it here. An anonymous message board is an inappropriate forum for that discussion. The press release will cover everything to the extent that you need to know. I will post it to the CFReg.com web site when it becomes public.

Thanks,

Lloyd

Hmmm, where have I seen before where posts are made by someone with a singular first name, but all posts refer to "we"? Just can't seem to place my finger on it...:D

Can't seem to put OUR finger on it.

-Al(s)

As was stated, at least provide some hobby references. Many members on this board can provide hundreds if not thousands of references for past deals. How many do you have? Who can vouch for you? Why would anyone send a valuable card to some website when no one knows who you are?

It's the first step towards gaining a shred of credibility in this hobby.

Nah! This clearly isn't him (them.) The spelling and grammar mistakes are too few and far between. These guys must have gone to a really good school.

this all sounds wonderful.

can't wait for the hobby to evolve into a scene like this.....


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You can ask us to refrain all you want, but the fact remains that most people on this board will NEVER do the kind of business you are asking for if we don't know who is behind the company. Most of us personally know the people behind the grading companies, the principals behind the auction houses, as well as each other. Many of us also know, or have known the names of people involved in the past scandals discussed.

The only new people in the equation are you guys. So please don't expect to be treated kindly until we do. (And, for the record, your replies so far have been just a little bit condescending.)

Also, please note that this is NOT "an anonymous message board." The people on here have all given personal info to Leon and the other mods. That info is available as needed to other board members. (Usually, only needed in threads that contain controversial posts. For example, if you say 1933 Goudey is your favorite set, you can be anonymous. If you say Dave Kohler of SCP is a scum and he cheated you out of $10,000, well, you'd have to give your name. Just an example.)

correct amundo
 

I agree with every single word you just said Jim. I think there needs to be total transparency in this new REVOLUTION, not covertness and secretive behavior. Most of us have known each other, personally, for many years. And your points about anonymity vs privacy, with respect to the board, are spot on. Now, when are we going to finally do lunch? You know that You, Prizner, Rich K and myself really need to get together sometime. Rich and I have done lunch a hundred times and Prizner and I have gotten together around a dozen times. Heck, I would even have another get together at my house if you guys can make it? Take care now.....best regards

Lloyd (if that is your real name),
Please let us at least know your hobby experience...have you ever been a dealer, collector, grader, etc. You profess great knowledge but no one is going to send a high value card to a bunch of people they do not know or trust. Information up front will lend credibility to your service. Also, this is not an anonymous board. We all are required to post our names on controversial posts per the rules and I think this is starting to be just that.

Joshua

PS It is really easy...my name is Joshua Levine, I have been a collector for over 30 years and have nearly 15 years experience in pre-war cards. My specialty is Phillies and T205s. My collection is nothing special but my knowledge base is fairly large. I was also one of the founding members of OBC, arguably the first online card trading group (been around for over 2 decades now!). Many people can vouch for me on here, in other sites, and in real life. How about you?

PM sent.

Unless you are Bill Gates trying to protect his new billion dollar startup website, I don't really see the special need to register your domain name through domainsbyproxy.com, a company that specializes in "Protecting your identity" and "Thwarting harassers & stalkers"...

Why be so secretive if there's nothing to hide?

Domains By Proxy Inc., is actually a sister company of GoDaddy.com. In many instances, they do good work as they sheild web sites from much of the automated spamming that goes on. (Ask Leon how much of that crap this site gets.) But in a business that is built on personal relationships, it may be counterproductive.

You got my point...

Dean Wormer- Double Secret Probation
 

Maybe Lloyd is Dean Wormer?


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If I thought this service was a good idea I might do business with CFR, even if their hobby experience was limited. I don't think you need to be an expert on the hobby to photograph or take video or create a registry. However, if I were to send a valuable card to a post office box in a small hamlet in Middlesex County, New Jersey, I would want to know who I am dealing with. Is Collectors Forensic Register registered with the State? Is it a corporation? A limited liability company? A trade name? Does it have a physical address? If I send a card to SGC and don't get it back (which would never happen in my experience), I can go bang on their door. I can't do that to a post office box.

lock thread
 

The original poster has asked me to lock this thread. As with most requests from an original poster I will honor their request. He also says there will be a press release coming out which will explain more. If anyone wants/cares to start another thread about this, then so be it. regards