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JP 04-04-2010 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wonkaticket (Post 796253)
JP really??? :confused:

Yup, really. I find a broken printing plate as interesting as a quick correction by the tobacco companies to correct Doyle's team designation.

Doyle and Snodgrass will never be as interesting as the unsolvable mysteries surrounding Plank and Honus being printed and then pulled...

barrysloate 04-04-2010 03:52 PM

In a manner of speaking the Doyle, Nat'l was pulled too. They stopped making them.

JP 04-04-2010 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by barrysloate (Post 796490)
In a manner of speaking the Doyle, Nat'l was pulled too. They stopped making them.

I heard they were made but not distributed to the public, then they dumped them in the ocean with 1952 Topps...

But seriously, yes, they were pulled, but it isn't a complete mystery as to why. The anti-tobacco, license for likeness use, etc. mystery will live on forever.

Potomac Yank 04-04-2010 04:02 PM

Like I mentioned on Post # 80 .....
 
Flippers follow the Market. :)

barrysloate 04-04-2010 04:08 PM

JP- are you not a fan of the Magie error either? That's a valid T206 variation, and a rare one.

JP 04-04-2010 04:14 PM

I think I like it just as much because I've heard some interesting theories about why it was changed and other misspellings weren't, one of them being that Sherry was one of the few ballplayers at the time that could actually read...

Potomac Yank 04-04-2010 04:21 PM

JP ... keep talking .....
 
You're proving our point. :)

JP 04-04-2010 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Potomac Yank (Post 796503)
You're proving our point. :)

What point? I'm entitled to whatever opinion I'd like as to what I find interesting and what I don't. You aren't a sophisticate or better educated just because you happen to have a differing opinion. Am I not supposed to find the Magie error interesting?

slidekellyslide 04-04-2010 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JP (Post 796499)
I think I like it just as much because I've heard some interesting theories about why it was changed and other misspellings weren't, one of them being that Sherry was one of the few ballplayers at the time that could actually read...

Got a cite for that?

JP 04-04-2010 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by slidekellyslide (Post 796518)
Got a cite for that?

Yup, heard (read) it on these very forums. Search for it if you'd like to find it, but it's here somewhere...

Potomac Yank 04-04-2010 05:27 PM

Dan, let him talk .....
 
And don't hold your breath about the Magee/Magie reading site ... let JP talk. :)

JP 04-04-2010 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Potomac Yank (Post 796527)
And don't hold your breath about the Magee/Magie reading site ... let JP talk. :)

Nice attitude, especially since 4 minutes prior I already told him where I read it...

slidekellyslide 04-04-2010 05:36 PM

Well, I don't recall anyone on this site saying that and I imagine trying to find that in the archives won't be easy. I'll take your word that you heard it here, but right now I'll call BS on the story. I doubt there was a single ballplayer illiterate or not that did not know how to at the very least correctly spell his own name. Joe Jackson was illiterate, but contrary to popular belief he could write his name.

JP 04-04-2010 05:40 PM

Whoa, whoa, whoa. NO WHERE do I state that the story is factual. I just said I heard an interesting story, and it WAS on these forums. I honestly know NOTHING about the state of literacy at the time, so I cant speak to that point. When I'm not on my iPhone I'll try searching for it. Know any search function tricks?

Potomac Yank 04-04-2010 06:00 PM

Typical Flipper ... Luv's theories __ runs from facts .....
 
Asked to back up his BS, and he produces a nebulous nada, and prays that you take it as a fact.

Will someone please break it gently to JP that Christy Matthewson was not the only ball player from that period to go to college.

Lad, you couldn't cut it where I come from. :)

Jim VB 04-04-2010 06:05 PM

Kudos to Dan B, for using "cite" and "site" in back to back posts and getting them correct! You rarely see that on the internet!

Now who's making fun of the Cornhuskers?!!!!

barrysloate 04-04-2010 06:16 PM

Dan's posts are a sight for sore eyes...not to be confused with an ophthalmologist's page which is a site for sore eyes.

JP 04-04-2010 06:18 PM

Potomac, try not to be jerk. I already told you that it was mentioned in these forums, and I'm not educated enough on the subject to give my own opinion. Look for the post yourself and then you can berate whoever the author was...

Touch'EmAll 04-04-2010 06:33 PM

Is it truly rare ?
 
Given the number of these 2 items in the REA auction -how relatively rare are they?

I pulled out from submitting a Cobb T206 Green because I learned there were already a couple of them in the auction. Seemed to be too many to get a great price.

I have a 1925 Ruth Postcard PSA 5 - Maybe the single highest grade of this item ever (or second highest). It is more "rare" than these Plank T206's. But the market price will only fetch , maybe $3k. - for a 1920's Ruth card for crying out loud.

And how much for a not-one-of-a-kind Plank?!?!?!?!?!?!

Jeesh, go figure. Only thing I can come up with is this hobby is driven primarily by Demand, demand, demand. Not supply.

slidekellyslide 04-04-2010 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim VB (Post 796549)
Kudos to Dan B, for using "cite" and "site" in back to back posts and getting them correct! You rarely see that on the internet!

Now who's making fun of the Cornhuskers?!!!!

Jim, I am a graduate of Nowledge U.

M's_Fan 04-04-2010 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 100backstroke (Post 796557)
Jeesh, go figure. Only thing I can come up with is this hobby is driven primarily by Demand, demand, demand. Not supply.

Well, its actually both supply and demand. The T206 is probably the most popular pre-war set, and lots of folks want to complete theirs, so naturally the demand far outpaces supply. Many cards are rarer, but not nearly as sought after. If a 1000 Planks were suddenly found in the attic of some old tobacco co. employee, the "demand" could never absorb this supply and the prices would plummet.

T206Collector 04-05-2010 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by M's_Fan (Post 796664)
The T206 is probably the most popular pre-war set, and lots of folks want to complete theirs, so naturally the demand far outpaces supply.

That's exactly the issue. The primary driver of price on Plank and Magie are the folks who are looking to complete their T206 sets -- or get as near to completion as possible. The advent of ebay fostered the illusion that a T206 set can be put together relatively easily on a modest budget, if you're willing to be patient. Indeed, most of the cards can be found on ebay within a few weeks, if you have the capital.

But you just about never see a Plank or Magie on ebay. It does happen, but it is rare. So a lot of folks over the past decade got pretty far along with their sets -- minus Wagner, Plank, Magie and, of course, Doyle. And there is a crush for them. I would suspect that Plank is somewhat scarcer than Magie, just given the different price points.

OldSchoolBaseball 05-02-2010 08:12 AM

The risk of consigning REA Plank
 
It looks like the altered Plank went for $16k after just recently selling for $20k. REA should not have over-packed the auction with a bunch of Planks and Magies. Maybe a semi annual action would have helped.

Tough loss for the consigner...

ChiefBenderForever 05-02-2010 10:33 AM

Sometimes the flip flops.

botn 05-02-2010 10:40 AM

I don't know JP but I don't see how anyone can buy a card like that in a major auction a few months earlier only to consign it to another major auction and expect to do well. Sorry it turned out that way for JP.

fkw 05-02-2010 10:55 AM

Uh, OK.......


IMO
Besides "Doyle", and "Broadleaf 460"..... "Rare" and "T206" should never be used in the same sentence.

Rob D. 05-02-2010 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchoolBaseball (Post 804197)
It looks like the altered Plank went for $16k after just recently selling for $20k. REA should not have over-packed the auction with a bunch of Planks and Magies. Maybe a semi annual action would have helped.

Tough loss for the consigner...

The restored Plank that sold in Legendary was in REA's auction? Really?

chiprop 05-02-2010 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by fkw (Post 804240)
Uh, OK.......


IMO
Besides "Doyle", and "Broadleaf 460"..... "Rare" and "T206" should never be used in the same sentence.

Frank- 100% agreed! Prediction... Prices may start to come down accross the board for the t206 set. There are just too many of them.

jmk59 05-02-2010 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by botn (Post 804237)
I don't know JP but I don't see how anyone can buy a card like that in a major auction a few months earlier only to consign it to another major auction and expect to do well. Sorry it turned out that way for JP.

I agree with this completely. Whenever you win any auction, you have to keep in mind that you were willing to pay more for that item than anyone else. So unless there are certain circumstances - lot break-up potential, etc - you should probably assume that no one will be willing to pay more for the same thing in the immediate future.

It could happen, but I wouldn't assume so. But it is unfortunate for JP. Shoot.

Joann

teetwoohsix 05-02-2010 11:07 AM

I don't think the T206's prices will come down too much,but wouldn't mind if they did-I still have a long way to go :D

It is true,lots of other cards that seem way rarer than T206's.

Sincerely,Clayton

chaddurbin 05-02-2010 12:10 PM

congrats to wonka for finally adding a plank and perhaps to jp for adding his grail of a numerical plank.


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