Pat, your 'guarantee' is a joke as are you. I have a question: are you an American citizen?

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I refuse to believe that T206's came in 12 count boxes. Just because Chan says one did, doesn't make it true. Chan has deleted all the articles from his website, so how can we verify his last statement & witnesses about the card pulled from a 12 count pack? Can anyone else come up with a 12 count pack other than Chan's, that had a card in it? I don't think so.

Leon: Ban Chan! :)

Ban Chan?
 

If I had banned Chan already he couldn't have come on the board to give his thoughts. Except for being a psychopath on the board I am not sure he has broken board rules. Now that being said the fact he has done all that he has is more than enough for a ban but I think for the minute I would like for him to be able to come on the board to address issues. I will reserve the future, normal, moderator banning privileges though...;)

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Just joking Leon. I like watching the idiot hang himself on this public forum.

Richard - the pack that was sold in REA in 2008 was a 12-count which had been opened with a card inside. I soke with the owner/consignor of the pack a few times and he is certainly a very honest man (who has a very advanced card collection). As stated before, however, there is no doubt 12 count packs were not authorized by to be issued until 1917. So, here are the possibilities:

1.) 12 count packs which contain cards are "fake" packs with cards being inserted into them after the fact.

2.) T-206s were issued well after the distribution date of 1911 and in fact, appeared in packs as late as 1917.

3.) L&M broke the law and issued 12 count cigarette packs before 1917 (unlikely as the cig packs contain 12 count tax stamps on them that, according to revenue laws, could not have appeared before 1917); or

4.) The government, in fact, issued some 12 count cigarette packs before 1917 despite revenue laws that did not allow them to.

Perhaps as a punishment Chan should be relegated to another forum where fake overprints/underprints are accepted (along with animal abuse and marrying one's sister)?

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Here is the text from T206 museum:

"The owner purchased two of these packs from the previous owner who bought them from an unopened Piedmont packs find decades ago. The owner opened one of the lesser condition pack and unexpectedly pulling a T206 Jim McGinley from the pack (as picture shown below).

This pack has 12 cigarettes inside and was manufactured in Factory No. 25 of the 2nd Dist. of Virginia which (obviously) matches all the characteristic of tobacco packs that house T206 or T205 baseball cards.

Could this pack contain a gem mint Honus Wagner that could grade better than a PSA-8? Could the misspelled "Magie" reside inside? Could Plank lie quietly slumbering? How about a mint green background Cobb? Or a gem mint T206 common that could easily sold for more than the price of the pack.

Despite the fact that a few collectors believe Piedmont pack manufactured by "Liggett & Myers" were issued after 1911 and believe T206s can only be pulled from 10 cigarettes style tobacco packs, what we have here definitely disprove those "theories". These tobacco packs were manufactured a hundred year ago and there were no precise records dating these packs. All those "theories" were just speculation and much is not known with certainty about tobacco packs. However, we have solid proves to support the Piedmont pack that offering here do enclose a tobacco card since the date it was manufactured.

This Piedmont pack is the finest known to exist and has been graded a GAI-9.5 GEM-MINT and guaranteed unopened. Wax wrapper seals are 100% intact. GAI labeled the pack as "1909-1919 Piedmont Baseball Tobacco Pack". GAI guaranteed this Piedmont pack is unopened and untampered with. The owner GUARANTEED this pack contains a T206 or T205 baseball card. If you wish to experience pulling a tobacco baseball card from a hundred year old unopened tobacco pack then this is your chance (possibly the only chance).

There is a similar opened Piedmont pack with T206 Herman Armbruster enclosed sold in Robert Edward Auctions. Please refer to "1910 Piedmont Pack with T206 Card Enclosed!"

Price: $30,000
Email f-a-q@t206museum.com for details if you are interested."

"The Owner" is not clearly identified.
Jon: The card was inserted somewhere after the 1990's. Wouldn't be surprised if it was Pat Chan that did it.

What outstanding writing. Clearly the author has an outstanding command of the English language.

-Al

"Could the Plank lie quietly slumbering" seems beyond the linguistic reach of someone who is challenged by the English language. What's the real deal here?

Either the broken English is faked or there is a second person in the mix doing the writing.

J

You will find a few more names on the site donation section linked in the booklet. One name stands out Ripul Jain. I find it interesting to say the least that he’s listed on Chan’s facebook and works in web development of some sort….they also live in the same town...but that doesn't link him other than he and Chan our most likely pals etc.

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...ntitled-20.jpg

Did the T206museum have a fairly decent reputation???

wow, this really stinks!

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I have not been on the site too much the last few weeks, but what a story - it really has been hard to trust anyone in the hobby with so many problems. I really hope things improve and these types of stories slow down.

Jimmy

and while plank lies slumbering....
 

In the next paragraph, we have this grammatical gem.

" However, we have solid proves to support the Piedmont pack that offering here do enclose a tobacco card since the date it was manufactured."

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I researched their domain and the registration of it. They are using a completely fake address and no contact information...... No one would do this unless you are trying to hide something....

Also why are you never able to right click on any images, they had the site locked down.... Again trying to hide things....

Look below for the domain info....


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Registrant:
t206museum
206 Museum St.
Anaheim, CA 59345
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Domain name: T206MUSEUM.COM


Administrative Contact:
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206 Museum St.
Anaheim, CA 59345
US
568-456-3456
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DreamHost, DreamHost DreamHost
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604-434-4307 Fax: 604-608-6832



Registrar of Record: In2net Network Inc.
Record last updated on 01-Jul-2008.
Record expires on 27-Jun-2013.
Record created on 27-Jun-2000.

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Current Registrar: IN2NET NETWORK, INC.
IP Address: 208.113.178.39 (ARIN & RIPE IP search)
IP Location: US(UNITED STATES)-CALIFORNIA-BREA
Record Type: Domain Name
Server Type: Apache 2
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Dan

The right click thing on the website was probably to project their images from easily being copied and downloaded by visitors. There's nothing wrong with that particular practice.