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Posted By: <b>Mark Fimoff</b><p>Yeah - another comment on the Heritage "Jackson" photo. Apparently when it was cirulating in 2005 - it appeared as shown below -what's that, a 1919 date! Wasn't Joe otherwise busy in 1919? Why is this date not shown in the current auction ?<br><br><img src="http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss259/bmarlowe1/c3f4cedc.jpg" alt="[linked image]">[/IMG]
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Hey! Look! Isn't that Charles Comiskey hiding under that hat right next to Shoeless Joe?<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><b r><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><img src="/images/wink.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="wink.gif">
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Posted By: <b>John H.</b><p>"It is easy to understand why they don't have a "Buy it Now" they don't try to sell the catalog they are advertising their auction, the Buy it Now would stop the advertising if somebody use it."<br><br>Of course they're trying to sell their catalog, Claude. That's why they have an opening bid price on it. They want to sell the catalog to people that they hope will use it to bid on their auctions. The logical mistake they are making is NOT having a "Buy It Now" price on the catalog because I don't think they really want people to bid one of their catalogs up to $113 which is where the Rose rookie catalog is now.<br><br>I haven't received a response to my email to them.<br>
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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Greg (BOTN) wrote:<br>"Jim, <br><br>I guess you must exclusively consign cards to auction houses when you sell. For the rest of us who do sell on ebay this represents a double standard. So I am not so sure this is so ridiculous to address. Certainly there have been far more ridiculous threads but I don't recall you posting twice on those threads. Are you getting banner ad money too from Heritage????? <br><br>Greg "<br><br><br>Greg,<br>I don't know what I ever did to offend you, but you regularly take offense at my comments on this board. As for the enormous losses your Ebay business is incurring, why don't you just inform us all of your Ebay names so we can be aware of them and bid accordingly.<br>JimB<br><br>
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Posted By: <b>Mark Fimoff</b><p>What's so incredible here is that on close examination - you can see that the current Heritage Mark Americans photo is physically the same photo in the same mat as the one circulated in 2005 - and someone has done a very poor job of trying to eradicate the date!<br><br><img src="http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss259/bmarlowe1/47a565f5.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> <img src="http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss259/bmarlowe1/82696865.jpg" alt="[linked image]">
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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>YIKES!!!! Guess that settles this case. Hope Heritage does the right thing here.
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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p><br>At what point if your the CEO, President, or heck the Customer Service Director do you actually come on these boards and say something? Anything?<br><br><br>Too many of these auction houses lately have had things pointed out on this board...and the result is always silence.
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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>I'm sure they're not hiding, Dave.
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Posted By: <b>George H. Counter</b><p>Just another case of restoration and stabilization 'a la mastro'?<br><br><a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1102513863/WHAT+IS+THE+KEELER+ROOKIE" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1102513863/WHAT+IS+THE+KEELER+ROOKIE</a>
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Posted By: <b>Mark</b><p>From Heritage:<br><br>"Circa 1922 Barnstorming Cabinet Photograph with Chicago Black Sox.... This lot has been withdrawn from this auction. Bids are no longer accepted and previous bids are cancelled."<br><br>I can only say that if they had some competence in evaluating the content of photos like this - they never would have accepted it in the first place. I appreciate that most auction houses are dependent on the honesty of their consigners and can't maintain a staff that can expertly evaluate content - it may just be too small a part of their business. But still, this one was ridiculous.
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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>In the end doing the right thing is most important, at least to me. Scott and I have made a mistake or two in our auctions and we rectified them immediately upon learning of them. I would guess just about every single auction house has, and will, make mistakes. We are human.....
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Dave,<br><br>You make a great point. After Mastronet talked about taking creases out of cards and Rob sent out his famous letter(s) I invited a number of auction houses to come on the boards and state their policies on crease removal, bidding on their own auctions and a number of other topics. The result was a resounding silence except from a couple of smaller other auction houses that I did not ask. In fact, a number of posters accuseds me of a witch hunt or something to that effect. Not a lot of other businesses that I can think of where companies will not speak to their companies policies. Certainly all were aware of the post and none chose to respond.<br><br>Jim
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Posted By: <b>John H,</b><p>They finally responded saying that they will not accept payment from anyone who doesn't realize that they won a catalog. This scheme wasn't very well thought out.
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Posted By: <b>Mark</b><p>I'm still waiting for my thank you note from Chris Ivy (:
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Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>John H, <br><br>Actually Heritage has been upfront about that from the beginning. Chris Ivy said that in his response to me, which I posted earlier in this thread (April 15, 2009 4:51 PM). <br><br>I agree, it was poorly thought out. <br><br><br>I also agree that it is a good sign that they pulled the other auction. I wish all auction companies would be more proactive on this kind of thing, but realize it is incredibly difficult, especially in the world of memorabilia. With cards, they have all come to rely on third party grading (and we all have varying opinions on how well that works.) but memorabilia is still living in the wild west days.
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Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>Mark, <br><br>My second note to Chris went unanswered except for the auto-response that said he was out of the office until 4/21.
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Among the more dangerous areas in the memorabilia market is photo identification. It's impossible to count the number of times I have seen players misidentified in a vintage photograph. And in virtually every instance, a nondescript player is mistaken for a baseball immortal. It's really all about the money, and how the presence of a famous ballplayer dramatically increases the photo's value.
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Posted By: <b>Mark Fimoff</b><p>Hey Jim VB,<br><br>Chris may be out of the office til 4/21 - but this morning someone there decided to pull the photo. Anyway, I really was just kidding about a thank you note. <br><br>I first contacted Heritage about this back on 3/30 - based on my own analysis posted on Net54 at that time - but they were adamant the photo was good (without explanation). The problems were obvious to me and several others (who really are experts), even without knowledge of the date erasure.<br><br>I also recently contacted Robert Lifson at REA about another photo that had already been sold - I must say the response was entirely different - mature and intelligent and with a clear ability to understand a photo analysis once presented. He immediately proceeded to offer the buyer a refund. I will be posting info on this photo soon - it's quite interesting.<br>
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Posted By: <b>Peter_Spaeth</b><p>It certainly didn't hurt JP's business, or Brian's, or anyone else's not to engage on this forum. I think they probably figure that as long as they have what we want, they have more to lose than gain by coming on here and engaging. Most things have a tendency to blow over and the next time they have something we want all is forgiven or forgotten.
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Posted By: <b>Ron Diamond</b><p>Heritage send me a T200 Premium with a missing corner(it was there in their catalog) and refused to make me whole! They are so big, they don't give a damn if you live or die. Such is life for those stupid enough to trust a company so large. I used to be. Never again. There are too many other trustworthy companies(Rob Ed Auctions, Mile High...)
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Posted By: <b>Kenny Cole</b><p>I think Peter's analysis is entirely correct. Say nothing, do nothing, and people bid because, as has been said several times in another thread, the stuff trumps everything. It all blows over, money is made, and all is good.<br><br>It seems to me that, whatever auction you are bidding on, you need to have some level of confidence in the integrity of the seller. If you don't have that and bid anyway, then IMO, you have no room to bitch when things go south. It isn't hard -- you bid to your comfort level and no more. If you don't have much comfort with the seller, you bid less. If you think you won't get screwed, you bid more if its a card you want. <br><br>This "I'll bid ln on a maybe-seller anyway because stuff trumps all else" is great until the winner doesn't get what they thought they were going to get. Then I suspect the tone will change. I suggest that if someone chooses to bid on a "stuff trumps everything" auction offered by a suspect seller, they pretty well deserve whatever they get. That's my two cents.<br><br>Kenny Cole
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Peter,<br><br>Exactly right.<br><br>Thats why we do not see Doug on anymore either I would guess.<br><br>Stuff should not trump everything--stay away from the bad guys. Let consignors see they are getting less for their material and positive changes would occur. <br><br>Jim
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Posted By: <b>Jimmy</b><p>again, not something I like to hear, but it does seem to be happening more<br><br>sorry about the card you mention<br><br>I even went out of my way to say a few things to support them in this tread.<br><br>Chris are you still looking at this post?<br><br>Jimmy
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Posted By: <b>Mark</b><p>Why is this thread absent from the new board?
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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p> There is absolutely no reason this isn't over there except that Mike M didn't scrape this thread....and move it. If it worries you so much just start a new one over there.....then you can be all giddy and happy again.
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