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Forever Young 09-20-2017 06:45 PM

Sorry wrong thread but wrestling card threads are hard to come by
 
What do you think of the annual cards? 1973-78. Are they actually rare or do people just not care to grade them?

wrestlingcardking 09-20-2017 11:05 PM

The 73s have a decent little following and I have the top graded set on the PSA registry.....as for the others from 1978 and 1981, they fit into supersize PSA holders so those mostly are sold by individual cards and not really for set builders.....i have sold many 73s over the years and still am selling them....


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What do you think of the annual cards? 1973-78. Are they actually rare or do people just not care to grade them?


Dpeck100 09-23-2017 07:02 AM

Pretty cool write up on the Hogan that is up right now through PWCC.


https://blowoutbuzz.wordpress.com/20...-over-on-ebay/

Dpeck100 10-03-2017 05:59 PM

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After seeing a thread on another trading card message board talking about rare cards it got me to thinking about this one.

The only card I own that is actually rare. The only known Blank Back Andre. I posted this a long time ago but since my threads were ruined by Photobucket I will post it again.

I think these cards present very well in an SGC holder. I like the handheld holder with no background that PSA uses better but for display I could see many liking this presentation more.

Bored5000 10-07-2017 02:56 PM

The Wrestling All-Stars set has officially hit the big time. LOL. There is a "Series A" complete set in the current REA auction. I can't ever remember a modern wrestling card or set in REA before.

Most of the set is raw (even the Andre). But the are some 8s and 9s among the graded cards. The Hogan is only a 7, however.

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...e?itemid=48498

Dpeck100 10-08-2017 12:28 PM

Thanks for posting! I wondered where that Moolah was.

I think it is really exciting to see a set show up in an REA auction.

The write up was really good too.

Definitely will be watching now!

Bored5000 10-08-2017 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dpeck100 (Post 1708497)
Thanks for posting! I wondered where that Moolah was.

I think it is really exciting to see a set show up in an REA auction.

The write up was really good too.

Definitely will be watching now!

At first, I thought maybe it was one of your sets. But I didn't think you had any sets that are mostly raw. :) Wonder what the set would bring if the Hogan was higher grade and the Andre was an 8 or even one of the 9s.

Dpeck100 10-08-2017 05:40 PM

I have more ungraded Wrestling All Stars then graded. Close to 100 sets probably in total from the three series.

This is going to be interesting because Wrestling usually revolves around EBay and private sales.

This should break a thousand I would think and it will be interesting to see if the first time it debuts in a major auction brings out some new blood.

Bored5000 10-08-2017 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dpeck100 (Post 1708597)

This should break a thousand I would think and it will be interesting to see if the first time it debuts in a major auction brings out some new blood.

I also wonder about that. Almost my entire collection is of cards outside the big four stick and ball sports. This REA auction may be slighter lighter than normal on the non-sports side of things, but I always love checking out the amazing rarities and non-sports sets at the end of REA auctions every time.

Last year, I went hard after a Howard Hughes card from the 1938 Heinz Aviators series before eventually bowing out when the card went past $1,500. The Hughes card is a great non-sports rarity, at least among cards that don't sell for $10,000+.

There are always non-sports cards at the end of each REA auction that I am either unfamiliar with or only vaguely familiar with. One of the items at the end of the current REA auction that shocked me is the near full set of "Police Inspectors/Captains and Chiefs of the Fire Department" set from 1887. I was only vaguely familiar with that set before this auction, but the $25,000 starting bid made me do some more research on the set. :eek:

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...e?itemid=48556

Perhaps the Wrestling All-Stars being included in REA will make more collectors aware of the set(s).

Dpeck100 10-09-2017 06:37 AM

I had a chance to look over the set a little better and it is a really nice one. Very good centering in many cases.

This is really a great thing for wrestling cards in general. REA is the big time and when you start at the top and look at the most expensive items offered they are top level hobby pieces. To be included in the mix and treated with respect is very exciting to me. I get it many wrestling cards are kind of hokey and have little long term relevance but the Wrestling All Stars are different. In recent years the interest in the sets have expanded a great deal and while there are only a few very serious collectors that go all out for the bigger cards there is plenty of interest in the more moderate priced cards and many collections have a card from the sets in it.

After being featured in the SMR and years of active message board discussions and EBAY auctions the exposure to a large number of collectors exists but it is easy to forget that there are many that do little online and so clearly there will be some fresh eyeballs on the set. I think the fact that major auctions tend to bring out big spenders should help and a grand is a rounding error relative to many items in the auction. I could see someone saying wow these are cool and throwing in some higher bids.

The set is already at the equivalent of $540 so a good start for sure. I put the break up fair value at around $1,100 or higher.

Dpeck100 10-10-2017 06:20 PM

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One of the great things about this set is the cards look so awesome with solid centering. I was flipping through some of my graded cards and I really am happy with these two Andre's.

Dpeck100 10-10-2017 06:23 PM

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Jack Brisco was a big deal in Florida in the 70's. When you watch old film you can tell he was a very tough dude.

I have higher grades but this card has terrible centering in general so I am always quick to grab any that look this good. I bought this a few months ago and a great card with tremendous eye appeal.

Dpeck100 10-20-2017 09:44 PM

Obviously the set of cards in REA will not be a top draw in price but it is certainly one in page views. The set has 327 page views and the 1954 Topps Hank Aaron PSA 9 has 306.

Pretty cool to see so many eyeballs checking the set out in its first real appearance on the big stage!

Dpeck100 10-26-2017 07:55 PM

Nice to see the set getting some action. It has hit my $1,100 minimum fair value estimate with a few days to go.

Very curious to see where it goes from here. I haven't placed any bids and don't know anyone who has.

Dpeck100 11-23-2017 07:15 PM

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I just self subbed this card. What a beautiful copy. Dick Slater was a tough dude and made Sting beg for mercy in real life.

Dpeck100 11-23-2017 07:17 PM

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The two cards I have the most of are Kerry Von Erich and Bruiser Brody. I have somewhere close to 40 copies of the Kerry card.

Centering is always tough on these so a very nice copy.

Dpeck100 11-23-2017 07:29 PM

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This guy never amounted to much in professional wrestling but his card is tough. There are five PSA 9's and they are in two hands. I have two and brokensoul6900 has the other three.

I sent this in knowing it would grade an 8 but did so because the front looks almost perfect and it just has a touched corner on the reverse. Not worth much but a super strong 8 and I like to collect the set for eye appeal too.

Bored5000 11-23-2017 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dpeck100 (Post 1723316)
I just self subbed this card. What a beautiful copy. Dick Slater was a tough dude and made Sting beg for mercy in real life.

Here is a link to Jim Cornette explaining the story of Dick Slater putting Sting's in a toilet and flushing over Sting giving Slater's ex girlfriend, Dark Journey, a ride to the next town.

The clip also has the added bonus of Cornette detailing an incident in which he was "shaking like a dog shitting peach seeds" over Slater confronting him about calling the office regarding Slater booking a 30-minute draw against Cornette's Midnight Express.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ6Jh5aGty0

supplex55 12-28-2017 04:29 PM

Mid-South Wrestling All Stars
 
I came across a 1984 Mid-South Wrestling Calendar which had what very well could have been a cancelled second series of the 1983 Wrestling All Stars cards. Photos of 2 of the cards were used for each of the 12 months plus January 1985 for a total of 26. I scanned each of the pages and had a custom card making source make me a blank-backed set of the 26. The Calendar was produced in 1983 by Pro Wrestling Enterprises just as the Wrestling All Star cards had been previously. Here are scans of the 26 custom cards i had made up for me at my imageevent page (items 10-12):
http://imageevent.com/supplex55/supp...setscollection

Dpeck100 12-28-2017 05:14 PM

Those look awesome!!!

I purchased quite a few of the calendars from Wrestle Prints who bought out PWE and they are obviously larger panels.

Did you get more copies printed?

I know a few collectors who have gotten them signed but these would be super cool!

supplex55 12-28-2017 05:27 PM

unfortunately the person who did them for me about a year ago has stopped listing his custom cards on ebay and hasn't responded to emails. I think he did a great job--they are crystal clear images (he somehow airbrushed out the calendar holes for hanging as well) and printed them on normal semi-gloss (normal) cardstock. I think he charged me about 50.00 for the set of 26 and i was very pleased. I agree with you, a lot of collectors might enjoy a set of these at (or near) that price.

Dpeck100 12-28-2017 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by supplex55 (Post 1733540)
unfortunately the person who did them for me about a year ago has stopped listing his custom cards on ebay and hasn't responded to emails. I think he did a great job--they are crystal clear images (he somehow airbrushed out the calendar holes for hanging as well) and printed them on normal semi-gloss (normal) cardstock. I think he charged me about 50.00 for the set of 26 and i was very pleased. I agree with you, a lot of collectors might enjoy a set of these at (or near) that price.


I would pay $50 in a heartbeat.

I snoozed on a custom set of Mid South Wrestling cards a few months ago and wish I hadn't.

These would be perfect to get signed and submitted to PSA in a blue flip as a trading card.

The only issue I see is if Brian who bought out Norman Keitzer would be okay with it. He owns the rights to it all.

supplex55 12-28-2017 06:22 PM

If you saw the custom set on ebay, it was probably from my source. I sent him scans and he made the set for me and I did notice that he posted a few of them on ebay. He just seems to have disappeared :(

Izucant05 01-03-2018 02:06 AM

Seems like this is the thread for all 1982 Wrestling cards questions. I found this Hulk Hogan in a box of old cards recently. I have it up on ebay but wanted a realistic value and what grade could I possible get if I submitted it to psa? Thanks!

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...cfd3504b31.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...6f8a42290a.jpg


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Dpeck100 01-03-2018 05:15 AM

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1982-Wrestl...IAAOSwRbtaS~E2


Unfortunately the damage to lower left corner on the reverse is quite severe.

I think it would grade a PSA 2 and at most a PSA 3.

In my view you are better suited to sell it raw and either a person who just wants a copy buys it or perhaps someone wanting to get it signed.

With wrestling cards sometimes confirming the low grade hurts the value. I think in a PSA holder no more than $75, and out you might get as much as $150.

To achieve high grades you need near flawless corners. Your Hogan presents well on the front with solid centering and no print dot which will help.

Good luck.

Bored5000 01-03-2018 06:06 AM

I think Mr. Peck is spot on. Not to be mean, but there is no way that is anything close to a $500 card. Wrestling All-Star Hogans keep moving higher in value, but Hogan PSA 8s can still be had for less than $500.

Izucant05 01-03-2018 11:11 AM

Thanks guys! I really appreciate the info. I'm not educated in wrestling cards so I wasn't 100% sure. The $500 was just a starting price, not necessarily what I was expecting to get out of it. I figured you've never know with eBay but that's why the BO is there. If I find more, I'll put up more scans.


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Bored5000 01-03-2018 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Izucant05 (Post 1735116)
Thanks guys! I really appreciate the info. I'm not educated in wrestling cards so I wasn't 100% sure. The $500 was just a starting price, not necessarily what I was expecting to get out of it. I figured you've never know with eBay but that's why the BO is there. If I find more, I'll put up more scans.


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The Hogan Wrestling All-Stars card is one of the cards that I follow. Just for reference, here are most recent auction sales of the card in PSA 8 and PSA 7. I may have missed a sale here and there, but not many.

PSA 8 (going back to December 2015): $568, $512, $363, $401, $307, $356.

PSA 7 (going back to December 2016): $161, $200, $225, $155, $157, $182.

I don't really follow anything below PSA 7 for that card, but I remember a PSA 6 being a little over $100 at auction for that card.

Bigshot69 01-04-2018 07:22 AM

3-3.5 on the Hogan IMO

scott6649 01-28-2018 07:58 AM

Opinions?
 
Hey gang. I tried my hand at what the "next" series of cards might have looked like. Still finishing up the backs, but these are the fronts. I think I got everybody that I should have.. Any exclusions? Anyone there that shouldn't be? I'm going on the presumption that these would have been issued in 1984.

https://i.imgur.com/OGZiKcy.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/K0Lm4iN.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/9XjL16h.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/JUnNvfG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/mlbpjQ6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yIrnBI2.jpg

wrestlingcardking 01-28-2018 08:52 AM

Well done, but just wondering why you added Putski and Morales when they already had cards in the series?

wrestlingcardking 01-28-2018 08:54 AM

I do think there should have been a Roddy Piper in the series........

scott6649 01-28-2018 09:34 AM

Don't know how I missed that one. Or that the other two were already in there. Thanks!


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I do think there should have been a Roddy Piper in the series........


wrestlingcardking 01-28-2018 10:00 AM

Perhaps a David Shultz? Dr. D would be the other name......he doesnt have much for trading cards......

wrestlingcardking 01-28-2018 05:20 PM

The original Sheik, Steve Williams, Magnum TA, the original Mr. Wrestling, and Buddy Roberts would be awesome additions as well.

supplex55 01-28-2018 05:58 PM

nice--are you going to offer any for sale?

scott6649 01-28-2018 08:43 PM

Magnum TA. Thats a good one. I guess it's all in how deep you want to dig. A second series could certainly be doable.

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The original Sheik, Steve Williams, Magnum TA, the original Mr. Wrestling, and Buddy Roberts would be awesome additions as well.


RedsFan1941 01-28-2018 09:35 PM

very nice job

Dpeck100 01-29-2018 10:21 AM

If you decide to make sets please let us know. I would be interested.

They look great!

bnorth 01-29-2018 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by scott6649 (Post 1742700)
Hey gang. I tried my hand at what the "next" series of cards might have looked like. Still finishing up the backs, but these are the fronts. I think I got everybody that I should have.. Any exclusions? Anyone there that shouldn't be? I'm going on the presumption that these would have been issued in 1984.

https://i.imgur.com/OGZiKcy.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/K0Lm4iN.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/9XjL16h.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/JUnNvfG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/mlbpjQ6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yIrnBI2.jpg

Those are amazing, thanks for sharing!

Dpeck100 01-30-2018 04:57 AM

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1982-Wrestl...p2047675.l2557


The last Bruno 9 went for more in a straight auction but nice to see this copy last less than 24 hours on EBAY.

I have always thought that the Bruno card was undervalued and deserved more attention.

I went and checked my registry and was pleasantly surprised. I forgot if I had two or three and it's three!

The only 10 was self subbed by me so definitely a favorite.

samosa4u 01-31-2018 10:59 AM

First of all, a big thank you to the a**holes over at PhotoBucket for ruining this thread (and millions of others).

I was born in 83' and started watching WWF towards the end of that decade, however, I was too small to understand and appreciate it. That didn't start until I was around 9 years old. The first wrestler to drive me nuts was the 1-2-3 Kid. I read in a magazine that he was a Tae Kwon Do expert and I was also enrolled in martial arts classes at that time. There were many other ways I identified with him.

Now I have always been interested in wrestling cards, but have never made any moves. Unfortunately, the cards manufactured in the 90s aren't worth sh*t, so I'm not going to waste my time going after them. I am leaning towards buying the 82' Wrestling All-Stars set, especially because I want the rookie cards of Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan, but there are a few things that are bothering me: it looks to me as if these cards aren't really going anywhere price-wise. For example, the Hogan in PSA 9, which is probably the most popular wrestling card out there, has been stuck in the 2000 - 2500 range over the past few years. Compare that to PSA 9s of popular athletes from other sports; these cards have doubled, tripled or even quadrupled in value. Another issue is that most of the wrestlers featured in this set are people that I have never even heard of.

Anyhow, I will keep my eyes open and when the right time comes I'll pull the trigger.

Dpeck100 04-15-2018 05:58 PM

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Stormy weather today in Orlando.

Spent some time looking through my cards and wanted to know the exact amount of Andre’s I own.

18 ranging from PSA 6 to PSA 9.

Edit: No clue why the pic is posting sideways. Posting from my phone.

Dpeck100 04-18-2018 05:16 PM

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RIP Bruno. A true wrestling legend.

ullmandds 04-20-2018 06:44 PM

great cards guys! I've always wanted an andre the giant!!!

Dpeck100 04-23-2018 01:19 PM

Thanks for checking out the thread and the comment.

The Andre card is a great one!

It pictures him winning the NWA Tri State Tag Team titles with Dusty Rhodes from the Super Dome Wrestling Spectacular Show on December 25th 1978.

Andre was really in his prime at the time.

Here is the full pic.

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...act=mrc&uact=8


Here it is in a Wrestling News publication where they took their photos and used them for the trading cards sets they made.


https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...act=mrc&uact=8

Cozumeleno 05-03-2018 09:11 PM

Was glad to find this thread. For the last four years or so, I've only collected pre-war cards. Big wrestling fan and decided to try my hand at collecting some high grade first cards of wrestlers, including modern ones.

Also want to put together a fully-graded PSA 1982 and 1983 Wrestling All-Stars set. I started with a few today and somehow wound up with 16 so I went a little overboard. Bought mostly 7s and 8s but got a 9 or two.

I'd love to get an Andre the Giant and am going back and forth between his 1973 magazine cutout and one of the 1974 Yamakatsus. I personally think the cutouts aren't really cards (even the magazine calls them 'wallet-sized photos' as opposed to trading cards, which they did for the larger ones in 1981, ironically). But I am surprised at how well the cutouts have been doing and they do seem to be respected as 'cards.' I'm a little torn because I'd like Andre's first real card but, man, I'm hard-pressed to call the cutouts cards.

wrestlingcardking 05-03-2018 10:40 PM

I got the 1973 annual Andre the Giant in a PSA 10 and I also have the 1974 Yamakatsu Andre the Giants in PSA and those are the first pack issued cards. Good luck on whatever you decide. I may be selling what you are looking at.


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Was glad to find this thread. For the last four years or so, I've only collected pre-war cards. Big wrestling fan and decided to try my hand at collecting some high grade first cards of wrestlers, including modern ones.

Also want to put together a fully-graded PSA 1982 and 1983 Wrestling All-Stars set. I started with a few today and somehow wound up with 16 so I went a little overboard. Bought mostly 7s and 8s but got a 9 or two.

I'd love to get an Andre the Giant and am going back and forth between his 1973 magazine cutout and one of the 1974 Yamakatsus. I personally think the cutouts aren't really cards (even the magazine calls them 'wallet-sized photos' as opposed to trading cards, which they did for the larger ones in 1981, ironically). But I am surprised at how well the cutouts have been doing and they do seem to be respected as 'cards.' I'm a little torn because I'd like Andre's first real card but, man, I'm hard-pressed to call the cutouts cards.


wrestlingcardking 05-03-2018 10:42 PM

i probably have some graded all stars that you may need as well. Not looking for too much for them, I just upgraded over time with them.

Cozumeleno 05-04-2018 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by wrestlingcardking (Post 1773009)
i probably have some graded all stars that you may need as well. Not looking for too much for them, I just upgraded over time with them.

I just noticed your name on some of the listings on eBay - you have some really great stuff. Let me take a look at your listings and message you. The 1955 Buddy Rogers card you have is impressive.

Dpeck100 05-04-2018 11:11 AM

Good luck in your quest to complete a graded set.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Japanese-wr...4AAOSwgBNaxJqf


This auction is a good one in my opinion. I think the opening bid is fair and the seller is a good one from Japan.

I was skeptical early on about the 1973 paper cards but to Rob's credit they have done extremely well once graded. You routinely see cards sell for solid prices. I have always wondered if the buyers realize what they are getting before in hand but the trend continues and they move. Personally I prefer hard stock cards so the 1974 Yamakatsu I posted is your best choice for an early Andre if that is your preference.

I think the reason they are treated as cards is they are numbered and in later years referred to as trading cards. There is such limited material that was released in the US during that time frame so it is good that collectors have an offering that has images that show case the wrestlers from those years.

I personally prefer the 1982 Wrestling All Stars Andre over all of his other issues but once again that is a personal preference and it is fair to say I am biased because I own so many.

Cozumeleno 05-04-2018 01:23 PM

Thanks, David - I saw it shortly after it was listed and am keeping an eye on it. Appreciate the insight on the seller. In browsing numerous forums, I see your name as well as Rob's pop up frequently so glad to see you both active here as you both obviously know quite a bit.

This is really a side thing for me right now but I'm focusing on high-grade PSA rookie cards. I still actively watch wrestling so I'm even buying recent ones with as long as the populations aren't high.

While you're here, I think I noticed in a thread that you mentioned picking up a lot of high-grade Macho Man 1985 OPC rookies. Had you submitted any of those for grading? The post may have been an old one, I'm not sure. I recently bought this PSA 9 off of eBay and, while I believe I overpaid on it, was something I desperately wanted. Many of the high-grade Savage cards I've seen have been designated as OC by PSA and nothing is above a 9. Currently, there are only two of them. About 40 have been subbed and more than half have come back as OC. I'm sure more non-OC cards are out there, obviously, but that seems to be a problem with that card. Was wondering if you'd noticed that with other cards in the set.

Dpeck100 05-04-2018 01:32 PM

I have indeed submitted a handful of the Savage cards but have only submitted one of the Savage Attack card and it got a 7. That is a very tough card in a 9 with the vast majority of the cards horribly off centered.

I look every day at the completed sales of PSA graded wrestling cards and looked at that one earlier. I don't think $75 is to high.

It has been probably five years since I submitted the first PSA 10 of his card with Elizabeth. I love that card!

Dpeck100 05-04-2018 01:36 PM

The OPC set has a good number of cards with poor centering. Some are easier than others.

Arguably the toughest card to find centered from any wrestling set is the King Kong Bundy from the OPC set. Hercules Hernandez is also a very tough to find centered card. Never seen one of either.

The 1982 Wrestling All Stars Series B Ray Stevens is another impossible card to find centered.


Here is my OPC set. I for the most part only collect the base cards graded and not the skits. The Bundy card has the best centering I have ever seen on one and it isn't perfect.


https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist...timeset/114075

Cozumeleno 05-04-2018 02:08 PM

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Thanks for the insight. That's a great OPC set.

I didn't think the Savage was outrageous but thought it might be a little high. Seemed like a tough card, though, and the OPC Macho Man Attack card was one of the first ones I wanted. I noticed a handful of 10s of the card with Liz in the pop report and hoping to get one of those at some point.

Would love to pick up a 1974 Andre next as well as a high-grade 1989 Market Scene Rockers/Shawn Michaels, but only two of those have been graded and none highly. Rob was fortunate enough to help me out a little on his Buddy Rogers 1955 Parkhurst a little earlier today and with the eBay discount today, I had to have it (Thanks, Rob!).

Dpeck100 05-04-2018 02:54 PM

Very nice Buddy Rogers!

The Market Scene cards are very tough in high grade.

One of the 8's of the Rockers is mine. Defiantly trying to upgrade that card.

Cozumeleno 05-04-2018 07:17 PM

That's awesome - great card. I didn't even see any 8s. The pop report lists two different No. 9 Rockers cards and the one I was looking at showed only a 3 and a 5 graded. That's what I was referring to when I said there were no high-grade ones. But I see the others now.

I bought one Raw off of eBay today - only one I saw. The picture was really grainy but it doesn't look high-grade at all. Still, I was just happy to get one for now.

Dpeck100 05-04-2018 08:15 PM

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Finally got a chance to scan these. Awesome cards!

Cozumeleno 05-04-2018 08:43 PM

Really nice stuff - those full-bleed cards look great when they don't have any wear to them

wrestlingcardking 05-04-2018 10:34 PM

I finally got my package from Japan, got some nice upgrades to my 76 yamakatsu set.....

Dpeck100 05-05-2018 06:41 AM

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I finally got my package from Japan, got some nice upgrades to my 76 yamakatsu set.....


Nice!


https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist...timeset/170918


Your set is coming along nicely! I definitely want to get a few more cards from the set.

wrestlingcardking 05-05-2018 05:09 PM

thanks for the compliment....the last five additions have been great in getting my overall number up on my ratings....I have a few 3s that need to go but some of these are very tough to find. The quest continues.....it has taken years just to get to this point.

Dpeck100 05-06-2018 06:17 PM

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I have a lot of signed Wrestling All Stars that one day I will send in to PSA to get authenticated. I had pulled this from my stack as I thought it looked really strong but I found the minor issue it has and why it was in my raw stack to begin with. Great looking signed card though.

Dpeck100 05-06-2018 07:15 PM

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One day I plan to have PSA examine this. I just don't have any interest in mailing it away and having it sit there for awhile.

Love this card!

Dpeck100 05-07-2018 06:30 AM

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Here is the Wrestling News Championship Wrestling Magazine for the CWA where the Lawler photo was first published. This is a really cool supplement they did for this territory and it was Jim Cornette who took the photo and was responsible for the content submitted for publishing.

Bored5000 05-07-2018 10:33 PM

Cornette has always been super high on Lawler and his place in wrestling history. It's been a while since I have listened to Cornette talk about Lawler, but Cornette has made the case previously that Lawler should be top 10 all time in terms of drawing power based on Memphis. Cornette has talked in the past about Lawler's feud with Andy Kaufman being on the very short list of greatest wrestling angles in the history of the sport, and that David Letterman was not aware of what was going to happen when the pair appeared on his show.

It is unfortunate that an entire generation of fans know Lawler only for his cartoonish WWE work.

Dpeck100 05-08-2018 05:26 AM

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As a kid growing up I used to head up to the newsstand and sit for hours reading the various wrestling magazines. I always saw pictures of Jerry Lawler and him ranked near the top of the wrestling world and always thought he was working in the minor leagues and if he was so great he would come wrestle in the WWF. Little did a young guy know that he was a ratings smash, a great worker, an awesome talker and a co owner making big bucks from the wrestling business. His commentary during the attitude era was simply amazing and he is a true asset to the wrestling business. He interacts with fans and you can tell he has devoted his entire adult life to wrestling and loves it. His card is lower pop in general and has really firmed up in price. One of the primary reasons I don't sell cards from my collection generally is I sold years ago a PSA 9 for $60 because I had a few others. Woops.

This is one of my favorite cards. It is a Pop 3 but only 2 exist as one was crossed over in 2010 to BGS. There is a non wrestling collector who owns the other one and he got it many years ago for $56. Score! I was fortunate enough to buyout another collector who was building sets on the registry and purchased mine from him years ago for $250.

Bored5000 05-08-2018 12:37 PM

When I was a kid, I always talked my mom into buying wrestling magazines every month when I would go shopping with her. Some of the guys I never got to see as a fan living in the Northeast seemed larger than life in the Apter mags. One guy that really stands out as an example is Mil Mascaras. When I finally did get to see Mascaras in person a couple times, it was a bit of a letdown compared to how he was portrayed in the Apter mags. Once I was an adult and the Internet became a thing, it was revealing to learn that Mascaras was portrayed in such a way in the Apter mags because Bill Apter was a fan of his.

It also surprised me at least somewhat how often I read online from people outside the Northeast how disappointed they were in seeing Bruno for the first time after reading about him for years in the magazines.

Conversely, I found Dusty Rhodes to be every bit as charismatic and entertaining as the magazines portrayed him to be.

Dpeck100 05-08-2018 06:47 PM

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The Mascaras card is very tough to find centered. This is the best example I have ever seen and when it got listed I said I have to win this one. Thankfully I did.

Dpeck100 05-08-2018 06:52 PM

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The Crusher just became a Pop 4 and it has to be a beautiful example. Hopefully it comes to market.


This card took me over seven years to land. Such a tough card.

Dpeck100 05-11-2018 08:23 PM

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I only knew Bruiser Brody from the wrestling magazines, for a short stint in World Class on ESPN and then he was dead. As an adult thanks to YouTube I have had the privilege of watching his work and he was absolutely awesome. I am not sure how many I have but it is somewhere around 40 copies. Brody and Kerry Von Erich are either one or two of the wrestler I have the most cards of from the set.

Dpeck100 05-11-2018 08:27 PM

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This is a very strong copy of Harley Race.

Dpeck100 05-11-2018 08:30 PM

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Pedro Morales is so under rated as a performer. This guy was a huge star and a champion in New York.

Bored5000 05-11-2018 10:22 PM

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Pedro Morales is so under rated as a performer. This guy was a huge star and a champion in New York.

I must disagree with you about Pedro. LOL. I realize that I only got to see him at the end of his career, but I always found him to be dreadfully dull. Probably the only guy who made me groan more when I saw him on his way to the ring for a match was Larry Zbyszko. Zbyszko's stalling every match was just unwatchable.

Dpeck100 05-12-2018 05:56 AM

He was very good in the early 70’s. There was a huge Puerto Rican population in New York and the fans at MSG went wild.

I put him in the category of a Dory Funk, or Jack Brisco in that they achieved great success in the wrestling business but very little fan fare for their collectibles.

This card is valuable but primary because it’s a Pop 1 so far.

Bored5000 05-12-2018 02:39 PM

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He was very good in the early 70’s. There was a huge Puerto Rican population in New York and the fans at MSG went wild.

I put him in the category of a Dory Funk, or Jack Brisco in that they achieved great success in the wrestling business but very little fan fare for their collectibles.

This card is valuable but primary because it’s a Pop 1 so far.

Oh, I know how popular Pedro was in New York City among the Puerto Rican population and that the WWWF of the 1970s pandered to ethnicities. I still thought he was boring as hell by the early 1980s as Intercontinenal champion LOL.

Ivan Putski and Chief Jay Strongbow were two other guys who were incredibly over among fans of the era, but I was lukewarm about. :)

Dpeck100 05-13-2018 06:46 AM

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I never got to see any of the old action that you did and my introduction to Ivan Putski was on the cover of a WWF VHS at the video store on Curry Ford in Orlando as a kid. He was jacked and shredded and that is all I knew and it wasn't until many years later I learned who that person was. I have watched a little footage of him and from what I can tell his look was his skill.

From what I have read Strongbow was right at the top of the babyfaces and the crowd loved him but obviously he was getting up their in age and his ring work was suspect.

Both of these cards are tough.

Bored5000 05-13-2018 12:16 PM

Putski was so over to the extent that the crowd would explode when he would do something as simple as grabbing the ring mic and yell "Polish Power." It is amazing all the things fans know now because of the Internet and various wrestler books that I had no idea about when I was a kid. I have read multiple places about Putski being notorious for taking liberties with enhancement talent.

I have not seen much of Mighty Igor (and never really looked him up much on YouTube), but I frequently see people online write that they enjoyed Putski's gimmick so much more the first time around -- when Mighty Igor did it.

Bret Hart in particular was not too complimentary about Strongbow in his book. Hart talked about Strongbow being a humorless road agent at the time who would snitch out the wrestlers to Vince McMahon for the smallest of indiscretions. Jim Cornette is also pretty negative about Strongbow when his name comes up -- both as a worker and the Chief outside the ring.

Dpeck100 05-13-2018 02:33 PM

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I can't stand Bret Hart. He in my view has a wildly inflated view on his contributions to the business and level of true money drawing stardom.


One of the great things about old wrestling is it isn't politically correct. I bounce around on YouTube from wrestling clip to wrestling clip at times and came across the feud of Strongbow and Ernie Ladd from Georgia Championship Wrestling a few years ago and it is awesome!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlx7ejs6-Rw


I got really fortunate and bought some really nice raw examples and submitted three PSA 9's in one sub. Not one of them but have seven in total.


Edit: I couldn't remember how this cert came to be and I self submitted it August 25th 2010 in a 133 card sub that was shipped September 2nd!

Bored5000 05-13-2018 04:37 PM

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I can't stand Bret Hart. He in my view has a wildly inflated view on his contributions to the business and level of true money drawing stardom.


One of the great things about old wrestling is it isn't politically correct. I bounce around on YouTube from wrestling clip to wrestling clip at times and came across the feud of Strongbow and Ernie Ladd from Georgia Championship Wrestling a few years ago and it is awesome!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlx7ejs6-Rw


I got really fortunate and bought some really nice raw examples and submitted three PSA 9's in one sub. Not one of them but have seven in total.


Edit: I couldn't remember how this cert came to be and I self submitted it August 25th 2010 in a 133 card sub that was shipped September 2nd!

Bret was certainly his own biggest fan in his book, but I thought the book was excellent. IMO, it is one of the best books by a wrestler out there. There were were so many revealing stories and insights into many different wrestlers. The absolute worst wrestling books are the ones that don't break kayfabe or insult the reader,

Hart wrote that it struck him many times that so many of the nicest, most decent guys in the locker room were heels in the ring and so many of the people that fans cheered for every night were really a-holes.

Hart wrote that just about the worst thing he ever saw in the business was the Ultimate Warrior blowing off a child from the Make-A-Wish foundation and leaving the arena without even acknowledging the kid. Hart wrote that no matter what other criticisms anyone may have with Hulk Hogan, Hogan was always amazing when it came to meeting a Mark-A-Wish child.

Hart also told some hilarious stories about Dynamite Kid (IIRC) taking a shit in Jerry Lawler's crown. Another story involved germophobe Dick Murdoch. The WWF was touring Mexico at the time and when the wrestlers walked into the locker room, someone had left behind a pair of soiled underwear. When Murdoch went to the ring for match, the other wrestlers took his underwear out of his wrestling bag and replaced it with the soiled pair. Murdoch came back to the locker room and was gagging when he found the pair of soiled underwear with his clothes.

Bret also talked about Rick McGraw doing more steroids than anyone he had ever seen. McGraw was a name from my youth, and he was just absolutely ripped, but he was too small for the time to ever get a meaningful push.

Hart talked about the cycle of drug dependency so many of the wrestlers of his era got into. Many guys were making more money than they could even dream of and were spending that money on cocaine and alcohol. So many of the wrestlers were also mixing cocaine and alcohol with painkillers (since there was so such thing as a disabled list) and sleeping pills.

Hart talked about tearing his rotator cuff, and the doctor telling him needed to take six months off. Vince McMahon told him not to worry about money because he would take care of Hart financially while he was out. Hart wrote the he received a check for (IIRC) either $200 or $300 from the WWF. Hart wrote that a couple hundred bucks didn't do squat when his mortgage at the time was $2,500 a month. So he was back wrestling with a torn rotator cuff in just a couple months.


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