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Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>Yeah, Steve. That's about as historically accurate as Ted's fanciful interpretation of the Rosetta Stone.
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Cat, the S & P is down more percentage-wise since Obama got elected this past November than it was in the prior <i>eight years</i> since W was elected. And there is no bottom in sight right now. I think by the end of the year when the market is further in the toilet, the retirements of Americans delayed or most likely destroyed, at last Bush will no longer be blamed. And then perhaps America can clearly see what it has wrought. Having the country run by radicals, whether it be the right or the left, is a bad thing.
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Posted By: <b>Stephen Mitchell</b><p>David Atkatz <br><br>(Login murderers_row) says:<br><br><br><br>Yeah, Steve. That's about as historically accurate as Ted's fanciful interpretation of the Rosetta Stone.<br><br><br><br>----------------<br><br><br><br>Win or lose, I think we will find that Senator Bunning's fiscally conservative (I really think he's also a social conservative, too, but I may be wrong) views are closer to curing our nation's economic ills than Obama/Pelosi/Reid's socialism program. And, at the rate things are developing, we may be learning this sooner rather than later. <br><br><br><br>Steve Mitchell<br><br> <br><br>
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Posted By: <b>Richard Simon</b><p>Glad to see the ultra right wing is embarrassed to be an American. (seems to be about 2% of this group are embarrassed to be Americans). Your rotund drug addicted leader is hoping for failure, between embarrassment and failure you should all be thrilled.<br><br>71% of us were embarrassed by George Bush.<br><br>And Steve - Bunning is certainly a fiscal conservative,, just like George Bush supposedly was.<br><br>==<br><br><br><br>Sarah Palin for the Republican nomination in 2012!<br><br>==<br><br>I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.<br><br>Unknown author <br><br>--<br><br>We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember.<br><br>No retreat baby, no surrender.<br><br>The Boss
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Steve,<br><br>You are (of course) correct....and Bunning is a social and economic conservative.<br><br>Boy does the market hate Obamas plans with a passion.
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Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p>Jeff:<br><br>I think we are giving him the benefit of the doubt by starting his report card on 1/21. Among other things, he was guiding/suggesting/directing Pelosi and Reid weeks before that date.<br><br>Bush, since he was at the end of his second term was a lame duck months before the election - as he should have been. I don't want an outgoing President to make sweeping changes as he exits. But being a "lame duck" also means Americans shouldn't blame him for what he didn't do at the end - but yet his "report card" extends to January 20th. Bush "tax rebates" didn't work. I personally was against autobailout I (and the sequels). We gave the automakers cash and we seem to be headed to the same result anyway - bankruptcy for GM and Chrysler. In the final analysis, I think we have went from bad to a lot worse. But at least he is going to take care of the ear-mark and lobbyist issues - oh yeah and the wasteful spending. So we got that going for us...which is nice.
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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>I saw Mr. Bunning pitch for the Phillies... but was not as fortunate as some of you who saw a perfect game.<br><br>I've met him several times. When I was a law student I got a few cards signed. A collector friend of mine told me that my 1957 card was too nice to be signed, I should get him to sign one that was a bit worn. But I only had one 1957 Bunning card.<br><br>I've heard him make half a dozen campaign speeches. My favorite one was one when he talked about pitching for the Tigers against the Yankees, whose third base coach was stealing signs and whistling when a breaking ball was about to be pitched. I think someone got a hit with that, Mantle homered, next batter got drilled in the back, and Yogi stepped to the plate. Catcher gives a sign, the coach whistles, and Yogi steps out of the box and slams his bat into the dirt, saying "dammit, he might be whistlin' but I'm not listenin'"<br><br>Mr. Bunning and I sat beside one another at a community cookout when we were both running for office. We talked about 20 minutes, our wives and us.<br><br>I do not agree with some of his political positions. (And he would not agree with some of mine.) I have great respect for the man, and don't care to participate in taking him to task here.<br><br>Please let us return to cards. Thanks.<br><br><img src="http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j106/greatwake/aaaBunningcards001.jpg" alt="[linked image]"><br><br>
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Posted By: <b>marshall barkman</b><p>In my opinion the problem with the country is people have forgotten how to build relationships based upon survival and not money. To many people i meet act like they have read multiple self help books or how to sell and persuade books. Their whole persona is a act and a con. People are killing themselves and their families because of losing a job or bad investment srategies. <br><br><br><br>When i visit homes and try to buy antiques,ballcards,artwork or appraise items for folks they immediatly want to talk about Obama. Why on earth do so many people want to lean on one person? What it actually is creating is not fair to Obama. He is like a rock band that has a monster smash first single and if it does not get followed up by another smash then the fans turn hostile. The idolization and celebrity status he is creating is not healthy because if the tide turns and people start to lose faith in him then the next four years will be a nightmare for this country. <br><br><br><br>A majority of people who voted for Obama do not even realize that he lived in the same neighborhood as Louis Farrakhan so what does that tell you? They truly do not even understand economics or politics and most folks i talk to say well i voted for Obama because we need a change. Are you kidding me? <br><br><br><br>I am only 40 years old and i own farm land, understand how to raise a garden, can trade silver or gold anytime i want for sides of beef or other foods that are raised properly if it comes to that. Do i feel sorry for older folks who should be wiser but do not have survival instincts or did not plan for this nosedive? The answer is no.<br><br>The FDIC just announced that it lost 15.4 billion in the last quarter so they are raising insurance policies on banks in regards to the 250,000 FDIC amount. I spoke to the president of a small bank and he said in his opinion the country is in very deep trouble because the banks have to pay such high premiums on insurance that the interest off of the loans will not be profitable and the banks will actually lose money so alot of banks will be closing the doors over the next two years.<br><br><br><br>This country was built on free enterprise and only the strong survive. For every winner there are countless losers. The unemployment rate is 8.1 percent which is bad but that means 92% is still busting their ass everyday to make ends meet. When FDR took over and looked at the banking situation he closed the doors and cleaned house and started over. What this country needs is the same approach. Get rid of all the individuals who made mistakes from the CEO's on down. I am sick and tired of hearing these Automobile,Banking,Stock Market Guru,Financial Analysists and any other type of leadership whine and complain about their mistakes and ask for bailout. Leaders do not beg or whine they lead period.<br><br>
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>Jeff O</b><p>"The inscription on the Rosetta Stone is a decree passed by a council of priests, one of a series that affirm the royal cult of the 13-year-old Ptolemy V on the first anniversary of his coronation."<br><br>That's from the British Museum website. Hardly the endorsement of "the people".<br><br>Jeff
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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Hey guys......<br><br><br>"The inscription on the Rosetta Stone is a decree passed by a council of priests"<br><br>This is true because the priests of Alexandria were the spokesmen for the populace. If you read the entire<br> context of the inscription on this tablet, you will find that everyone's taxes were reduced. Furthermore, it<br> attests to Ptolemy's build up of their military forces as having protected the peopls from invading foreigners.<br><br>I have read the Greek inscription and the English translation.<br><br><br>It's amazing to read your responses to this......you die-hard liberals have this "phobia" for anyone who cuts <br>taxes and improves the military. This is an age old "bugaboo" of yours.<br><br> Damn it, let the people keep more of their hard earned $$$$$$$$.<br><br>
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Posted By: <b>LetsGoBucs</b><p>Don't want to enter the debate, just wanted to put out there that:<br><br>From its current position the DOW needs to increase 6%/year for 13 years to get back to its Oct 2007 high of 14,165.<br><br>If it increased 8% it would take 10 years.<br><br>If it increased 10% it would take 8 years.<br><br>Naturally if the market declines further those numbers become larger....and if by chance we had a doozy of a rally coming out of the bear market those numbers could become smaller.
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Posted By: <b>bruce Dorskind</b><p><br><br>The chances of the economy turning around before 2011 (more likely 2013<br>are about the same as someone pitching a perfect game against the METS<br>on any of the next three Father's days.<br><br>The economic stimulus package will not work. As we predicted, the market<br>will sink below 6000, and we will have 10% unemployment. We will soon face a full blown depression. <br>Our best guess is that it will last into the next Presidential election. And the welcoming of<br>an ultra conservative Republican President. <br><br>As for Jim Bunning, he was a great pitcher. Perhaps, he could show us how<br>his curve and fast balls, if thrown at the head of the NUTTY PROFESSOR, could<br>knock some sense into the Communist Party representative from Saratoga<br><br>Or to frame the conversation more appropriately, Jim Bunning's life time batting<br>average was about twice as high as the percentage of college students who rate the<br>Nutty professor as adequate.<br><br>
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Although I supported Obama I have to admit his stimulus package is probably not going to help us out of this mess. It's very scary to think what may happen to people who reach seventy years old and won't be able to retire and will have to continue working. And where will all the jobs come from?<br><br>I think we are still in the early stages of a very steep decline. It's sad and my wife and I will do our best to have decent lives. But it will be a struggle.
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Posted By: <b>Frank L.</b><p>Have been on this forum only a few months, but had to add my opinion.<br><br>I believe part of the reason for bailouts now is not totally for the good of the country but in part for selfish reasons. If GM is not further bailed out(and others to continue), the unemployment numbers will continue to worsen. If these numbers continue to rise, then the incredible expectations that were campaigned on, will not occur, they will actually go in the wrong directions. To save the ability to govern, to be respected, to have face, this must be done. I dont believe it is the total reason, but it HAS TO BE PART OF IT. To have guts, you must STOP THE giving of OUR MONEY as the plan will fail miserably. We must go through massive pain to get back to what we once were. WE ARE PUTTING OFF THE INEVITABLE, which is not good. <br><br>Unfortunately(but I knew this would happen), a culture of "GIVE TO ME" has arisen in a large part of the population. It is a culture of expectation without giving back. In other words, a simply consumption culture. It makes no sense to think that giving out billions of dollars but not PRODUCE from this will help our economy. The message should be the opposite, dont expect much from our govt, instead do everything you can to help yourself, and your neighbor. "We will then help some". <br><br>Our society continues to decline morally(and therefore in every other manner) since the late 1960's. In large part, as we allow more and more that was not allowed before, as we remove God(EVEN IF YOU DONT BELIEVE IN GOD), we decline. You must certainly recognize this. <br><br>Many say, "just give him a chance". At some point, if we continue to go into the abyss, THE CHANCE IS OVER. This must be stopped. I want a UNITED STATES, not a model from other countries such as Europe. <br><br>Frank L.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>"Although I supported Obama I have to admit his stimulus package is probably not going to help us out of his mess."<br><br>Encouraging that a liberal like Barry is turning negative on Obama. I do not know a person in the circles I travel in who does not detest his policies.<br><br>But this really should not have been a surprise that he is trying to turn the country hard left--he had the most liberal voting record in the senate during his brief stay there.
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Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>Dorskind, for an entire group of people, you really are just a one-trick pony.<br><br>Can't you guys think of <i>anything</i> else to say about me?<br><br>Perhaps you should add "intelligence" and "creativity" to "America's Toughest Want List."
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Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>I have dug into it a little deeper, and I have to admit, for once you're right, Ted.<br><br>The Stone (stela) is a resolution of the priests, who are essentially kissing Ptolemy's butt for his support of their temples.<br><br>The priests, of course, formed quite an elite and tiny part of Egyptian society.<br><br>The Stone has nothing at all to say about or from "the people."<br><br>(Full translation here:<br><br>http://home.netcom.com/~qkstart/rosetta.html )
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Ted/Barry, the saddest irony about Obama's promise to spread the wealth around by taking from the rich and giving to the poor is that the yearly few bucks that the average "hard working" American will reap from this program has been lost many times over in the market since Obama was elected. And some of that money is never, ever coming back.
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Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>Of course, if McCain had won, everything would be hunky-dory now.<br><br>Too bad for those poor, deluded American voters.<br>
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>David, not surprisingly your response is no answer at all. And your response does not obscure the fact that "hard working" Americans are getting destroyed right now. And 401(k)s filled with GE, Citigroup, GM, Bank of America, etc. are gone and they're not coming back ever. Things turned really bad with Bush but the world markets' reaction to Obama and the speed of the destruction of wealth and jobs since he took over has been nothing short of stunning. He did promise change so I suppose he delivered.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Come on liberals--tell us which is your favorite democratic earmark that our taxes are being increased to fund.<br><br>In total there are 8570 earmarks in the Obama bill totalling $7.7 billion.<br><br>Is it $1.5mm for Hawaiian canoe trips for the Polynesian Voyager Socuiety?<br><br>Is it $200,000 for tatoo removal?<br><br>My personal favorite is $1.7 million for research into "pig smells"--we simply must increase taxes to fund research to improve the smells of animals.<br><br>The most incredible thing of all is seeing the radical left controlled democrat party defend these...and Obama try to clain that he is against earmarks which actually caused the audience to laugh out loud.<br><br>We have our own Chavez in charge--the Obama/Chavez/Castro axis in the west.
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>All Americans are hurting and the number of unemployed keeps rising. The bailouts are a travesty and I want to know why we continue to keep throwing bad money at the banks and auto industry when they must take full responsibility for the mess they got us into. It is incomprehensible to me how all these industries had free rein for so many years without any regulations at all. We allowed the mortgage lenders to run this country into the ground, and now I hear that Countrywide, one of the biggest culprits of all, is making a killing by buying back toxic assets for pennies on the dollar. Are you kidding me!?<br><br>I agree with Jeff and Frank and whomever else said we are in a major cultural and economic decline. We'll eventually bounce back a little but the world may never be the same for a very long time. Like I said, I will do my best to get through this.
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Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>You can rant all you want to about Obama, but it's just jive, Jeff.<br><br>He's been President for two months, and we'd be <i>exactly</i> where we are now even if McCain, or Rush, or <i>you</i> were in charge. The idea that the market takes a long, future-oriented, nuanced view before reacting is also pure crap. It can't see beyond the metaphorical "nose on its face." It's mantra is "Oh my God, I might lose some money, so let's bail now." It has never taken the long view, and never will.<br><br>And Barry, why don't you talk to your parents about living through a real Depression, with more than two-and-a half times the unemployment we have now, and no safety net at all. My parents dealt with the Great Depression <i>and</i> WWII, and wound up having a better and more prosperous life than they ever could have dreamed as kids. So enough with "the world will never be the same" crap.<br><br>And for all the pissing and moaning and naysaying done by Republicans, the New Deal brought employment back to pre-crash levels within five years.<br><br>When you build things you put people to work. (And the things that were built--bridges, roads, schools, subways, housing projects, parks, dams, power grids... are still being used today.)
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Barry, I think the normal emotional response is to hate the bailouts (I feel the same as you do). However, while they may feel bad the bailouts may be absolutely necessary to stabilize the world's credit and financial markets: in essence, the bailouts are for the greater good. Our untrained opinions, unfortunately, probably shouldn't matter on this one.
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I also hate to see all the people who will lose jobs if say General Motors goes out of business. It's just a gut reaction that throwing money to irresponsible people is a really bad thing. What if we continue to give GM tens of billions of dollars and they go under anyway? Then all that money is lost for basically nothing.<br><br>It's darned if you, darned if you don't.
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Posted By: <b>Richard Simon</b><p>This is my stub from Shea when Bunning made baseball history.<br>The Perfect Game was the first game of a doubleheader (remember the good old days, when doubleheaders were actually on the schedule?).<br>Rick Wise started Gm. 2 for the Philllies and if memory serves me correctly, he pitched a no-hitter for 2 1/3 innings.<br><br><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1236436954.JPG" alt="[linked image]"> <br>==<br><br>I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.<br>Unknown author <br>--<br>We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember.<br>No retreat baby, no surrender.<br>The Boss
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>David, you know nothing about how the financial markets work. Nothing. Your prediction that the Dow would be back to 14,000 in a year or two and that one has not actually lost anything until a stock sale is again ludicrous. (Try putting up a stock account as collateral for a loan and explaining to the bank that the account is really worth 2x than what the latest statement reads because no sales have been effectuated yet) <br><br>I'm not saying that McCain could have done better, though surely no one could have done worse than Obama right now. I'm just saying that the world markets have reacted so violently since exactly when Obama was elected can only mean one thing. And if perhaps his stimulus package was really a stimulus package than maybe the markets would be faring better, because there would be more confidence in what Obama is doing. It's great that everyone loves Obama. Let's see how much they love him by the end of the year.
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Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>Right, Jeff. And you do.<br><br>(Actually, <i>nobody</i> really knows how financial markets work, not economists, investors, money managers, or anyone else. The system is just way to complex to be really predictable.) <br><br>Let's see where we are two years into the Obama administration, rather than two months.
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Richard- your stub is from the Met's 23-inning game, I believe. Bunning threw his perfect game on June 21, 1964. That was a sad day in American history as those three young civil rights workers who went to the South to organize voters (names escape me) were murdered that very same day.
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Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>Schwerner, Chaney, and Goodman.
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Thanks David. Both the perfect game and the murders occurred on June 21.
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Posted By: <b>Richard Simon</b><p>Thanks for catching that Barry. That is what happens when you drink decaf in the morning.<br>I was at the 23 inning game also.<br>Here is the Bunning stub.<br><br><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1236437994.JPG" alt="[linked image]"> <br><br>I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.<br>Unknown author <br>--<br>We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember.<br>No retreat baby, no surrender.<br>The Boss
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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>The misguided professor (David A) has relented......<br><br>"I have dug into it a little deeper, and I have to admit, for once you're right, Ted."<br><br>After having said in an earlier post......<br><br>"That's about as historically accurate as Ted's fanciful interpretation of the Rosetta Stone."<br><br><br>Look guy, I first read the GREEK inscription (which wasn't easy) and then I read the English<br> translation to verify if I correctly understood the Greek.<br><br>I'm not trying to brag here....I'm just saying that I'm quite versed on this amazing historical<br> artifact.<br><br>When it comes to history, just stick to the Yankees....you are very good at that. <br><br><br>TED Z<br><br>
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Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>You're right about it having been written by Priests.<br><br>You're completely wrong if you believe it in any way has anything to do with the people's feeling for their Pharaoh.<br><br>So, Ted, I stand behind my statement:<br><br>(And while I do appreciate the compliment, I'll stick to the Yankees when you stick to the T206 set.)<br><br><br><br>
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>David, I sold all my real estate at the end of 2006 and have had nearly all my investments in cash since then. My only foray into the stock market was to short Lehman last Spring. So I might be one of the few people who have made money in both the stock market and real estate market in the past two years. How did you do? (Oh wait, I forgot: you broke even because you didn't sell your home or any stocks yet)<br><br>
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Jeff,<br><br>You and Bruce go down as the two smartest persons on this board with their own financial investments.
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I have no stocks, no debts, cash in the bank, and the mortgage is almost paid off...but I hate to think what my house is worth today. <img src="/images/sad.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="sad.gif">
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Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>How can someone (perhaps the only one) who understands financial markets so well not be able to grasp the concept of "paper losses'?<br><br>And, since you're so good at it, how did you miss the market's peak by a year?<br><br>Hope ya got that cash under your mattress, Jeff.<br><br>(Although if some here are correct, that won't help either, when the dollar becomes worthless.)<br><br><br><br>
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Yes, I figured I missed the NYC real estate market top by about 8 months. But I've more than made up for it every single month since then. And David, I'm honestly amazed that you believe that your stock accounts are worth the same as at their peak just because you haven't sold yet. It's almost as if you don't live in the real world.
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Jeff- you should be able to get a really good deal on an apartment now if you are still looking. That's the only silver lining in all this.
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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>understands the CONCEPT of paper losses.....even Jeff......<br><br>You can't sit there and honestly tell me you aren't concerned with the drop in your 401K or mutual funds. THAT isn't rational. And while you might be bearish on the immediate 1-2 year future, you would be in the very bare minority there. If you are as bearish as you suggest, I'd assume that you are pouring money hand over fist into the market. <br><br>I'm 42. If we see 14K in the market before I'm 55, I would be surprised. Hopefully things turn but I'm not counting on it in the long run. I'm not blaming Obama for all of it and neither should Bush be blamed for all of it. Nor do I think it'd be all roses if McCain were in office. I do, however, believe Obama has and is causing some of it because of his inability to focus in on just a couple of issues right now. Great to try to cure all the worlds ills in a couple months but it ain't gonna happen.<br><br>
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>Cy</b><p>It is strange that 6 months after Bush declared victory in Iraq, in a war that HE started, Bush, himself, along with many of our republican board members decried that it will take time. Obama hasn't been in office two months after the Bush-Cheney administration has taken US to the most dismal era in American history in 70 years, and no one will give Obama time to make work his projects.<br><br>The other appalling thing is that I hear no one giving solutions. It's just the same old Limbaugh/Hannity complaining with no real solutions given. Wait, I must take that back. Ted did give a solution. He at least is trying.<br><br>"If I were President on Jan 21st....I would have taken that 3 TRILLION and divided amongst<br>the 100 MILLION working families in this country.<br><br>Can you imagine how $30,000 in each working families' hands would stimulate the economy ? "<br><br>This was quite a pleasant surprise to me. Ted, this is THE most egregious case of socialism that I have heard from anyone, politician or not. You sly dog. Under the guise of being a conservative republican, you truly are really a card-carrying commie. Karl Marx would be proud of you Ted.<br><br>Sincerely,<br><br>Cy
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>Stephen Mitchell</b><p>David Atkatz <br>(Login murderers_row) March 7 2009, 9:36 AM says...<br><br><br>"... And for all the pissing and moaning and naysaying done by Republicans, the New Deal brought employment back to pre-crash levels within five years."<br><br>--------------------<br><br>It's a popular belief but FDR's New Deal did not bring down unemployment. His own Treasury Secretary, friend and confidant Henry Morgenthau, Jr., on May 9, 1939, while appearing before powerful Democrats on the House Ways and Means Committee said:<br><br><br>"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. ... And an enormous debt to boot!"<br><br>In these words, Morgenthau summarized a decade of disaster, especially during the years Roosevelt was in power. Indeed average unemployment for the whole year in 1939 would be higher than that in 1931, the year before Roosevelt captured the presidency from Herbert Hoover," Burton Folsom writes in his new book, "New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR's Economic Legacy Has Damaged America".<br><br>Indeed, Morgenthau confessed what so many keepers of FDR's flame won't admit: The New Deal failed. Massive spending on public works programs didn't erase historic unemployment. It didn't produce a recovery.<br><br>And neither will a "new" New Deal.<br><br>For further information, check out: www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed012109f.cfm<br><br>Steve Mitchell<br>
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>and get back to baseball, it'd be appreciated.<br><br>Bunning is an interesting character. As a player he was mostly disliked on the teams on which he played, earning the nickname "The Lizard" from his teammates for his cold-blooded demeanor towards them, but ironically, he was instrumental in bringing Marvin Miller in as head of the players' union (he and Harvey Kueen recruited Miller), which, as we all know, swung the balance of power between the players and the owners 180 degrees from where it had been for nearly a century. <br><br>Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>Richard Simon</b><p>With statements like this, no wonder he was not liked (he really is a cold blooded one) :<br><br>From Drudge Report: "At a Lincoln Day Dinner speech over the weekend, Sen. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.) predicted that Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg would likely be dead from pancreatic cancer in nine months, according to the Louisville Courier-Journal. Bunning reiterated his support of conservative judges, saying "that's going to be in place very shortly because Ruth Bader Ginsburgh's cancer." "Bad cancer. The kind you don't get better from," Bunning went on. "Even though she was operated on, usually nine months is the longest that anybody would live after being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer."<br><br>Classy statement Mr.Bunning,,, very classy, almost as classy as this quote from the rotund drug addict (once an addict, always an addict) and self appointed leader of the Republican Party, according to the latest Gallup Poll his approval rating is 28%) referring to the health care reform bill in Congress: <br><br><br>"before it's all over , it'll be called the Ted Kennedy memorial health care bill." This quote comes from the hated liberal media, the one called The New York Daily News.<br><br><br>And to Cy - that was the funniest "catch" ever on this board,,very, very clever, way to expose those insidious commies for what they are. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif"><img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif"><br><br>by the way - There are reports on the internet that the party in Kentucky is so disgusted with him that they are sniffing around among other Republicans in the hopes of defeating him in the primary.<br>==<br><br>I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.<br>Unknown author <br>--<br><br><br>We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember.<br>No retreat baby, no surrender.<br>The Boss
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>That wasn't quite what I meant by getting back to baseball. <br><br>Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Tom, exactly. <br><br>Cy, I agree with you for the most part. There are Republicans that want Obama to fail period and there are Republicans that want him to succeed. But I think that of the many that want him to succeed (Dems and Republicans alike) the disaster in the financial markets, sharp drop in unemployment, etc. have put more pressure on the administration at an earlier time than perhaps should be warranted. But the pressure is there nonetheless. If the markets were stable and the economy was just lousy (and not at Defcon 4) then the pressure would be less. (But Obama's approval ratings are sky-high, so obviously the American public has been patient with him thus far)<br><br>Barry, of course I'm looking..but have slowed down the search because I think we'll hit rock bottom by the end of the year or maybe a bit later.
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>And Adam, you're right: God knows this board is a welcome diversion from the rest of the world right now and we shouldn't spoil it (me especially included).
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>For whatever reason, there is always going to be heated political discussion on this board. We've already established that.
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