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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>100% certain

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Thanks, I have added him to the list. You have provided the only two new additions.....and, here we are<br /> at 50 posts.<br />We have a long way to go to confirm what is theoretically 110 possible subjects with Red HINDU backs.....<br />but, I do not think all these 110 were printed with the Red HINDU brand.<br /><br /><br />EDITED.....to state that the McGraw (port-cap) in the 460-only Series has been confirmed with the LENOX<br /> back. Which raises doubts about the Red HINDU card of him ?<br /><br /> Red HINDU and LENOX are mutually exclusive in the 460-only Series. This is explained in my new Thread<br /> on Red HINDU cards. <br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>I fully appreciate what you are saying about Gandil. This card is in the 460-only Series. And, there<br /> are some more like your Gandil in this series. For instance Smith (Chi & Bos), here are 8 backs I've<br /> found of him. I was able to find the tougher T-brands on this card before I found a Piedmont 460<br /> of him for my Piedmont set.<br /><br />There are about 4 more T-brands, this card was printed on. And, I wonder if we will find this Smith<br /> with a Red HINDU ?<br /><br />TED Z<br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/arraysmith460.jpg"><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>I'll make it a "trifecta" for TANNEHILL......<br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/aaredhindutann.jpg"><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Updated list of the 42 confirmed T206's with Red HINDU backs.....6/26/07<br /><br />Possible total = 110 Subjects......however, I'm beginning to wonder that a fair number of the <br />remaining 68 subjects are "No-Prints".<br /><br />And, so far in this survey we are seeing multiples of.....M. Brown (Chi).....Chase (dk cap).....<br />Crandall (cap)....Duffy....Gandil....McGraw (glove)....Tannehill....Wheat<br /><br />Baker<br />Bender (no trees)<br />M. Brown (Chi)<br />Burch (fldg)<br />Chase (blue)............super-print <br />Chase (dark cap)......super-print<br />Cobb (red)...............super-print<br />Cobb (bat off)<br />Crandall (cap)..........460-only<br />Davis (A's)<br />Devore....................460-only<br />Donlin (bat)<br />Doolan (bat)<br />Downey (bat)<br />Larry Doyle (bat)<br />Duffy.......................460-only<br />Elberfeld (Wash-fldg)<br />Evers (Chi-bat)..........super-print<br />Ford........................460-only<br />Gandil......................460-only<br />Geyer......................460-only<br />Griffith (bat)<br />Hummell...................460-only<br />Johnson (pitch)<br />Konetchy (glove low)<br />Magee (bat)<br />Manning (pitch)<br />McGraw (glove hip).....460-only<br />O'Leary (hds/knees)<br />Pfeffer......................460-only<br />Rucker (throw)<br />Seymour (throw)<br />Sheckard (glove)........460-only<br />Snodgrass (fldg)<br />Stahl (glove) <br />Street (fldg)<br />Sweeney (NY)<br />Tannehill (Chi-throw)....460-only<br />Wagner (bat/right)<br />Wheat........................460-only<br />Willis (throw)<br />CYoung (glove)<br /><br />I REPEAT....any more Red HINDU's out there in Net54-land ? ?<br /><br />T-Rex TED

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p><br />Hi Ted,<br /><br />I think you mean Bender (No Trees).<br /><br />Bender (Trees) is 350-only.<br /><br />Scot

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>SCOT<br /><br />Thanks for the correction on Bender.<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>thanks to Hank & Scott L.<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1183140023.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1183140041.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>scott</b><p>Our best red hindu is Kleinow Boston (SGC 60 / 5). We also have the devore in a one (currently offered for sale and already posted here previously) and a likely trimmed common -- can't remember the player right now.

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Final go around on searching out the T206 Red HINDU backs.<br /><br />We have only confirmed 44 out of a possible 110 subjects.<br /><br />Can we show or tell anymore than 44 ? ?<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>Art M.</b><p>Hi Ted,<br />Another interesting thread!<br />Here are my T206 Red Hindu cards:<br /><br />BENDER (NO TREES)<br />CHASE (BLUE)<br />DOWNEY (BAT)<br />DOYLE (BAT)<br />GRIFFITH (BAT)<br />O'LEARY (HOK)<br />RUCKER (THROW)<br />STAHL<br />STREET (CATCH)<br />SWEENEY<br />WHEAT<br />WILLIS (THROW)<br /><br />Nothing new to add to your list.<br />Art

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>ART M<br /><br />Thanks for your inputs....it's always nice to re-confirm what we know about The Monster....as we try to tame it.<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p> Hi Ted,<br /> A lot of these Red Hindu's came from this lot from Mastro 1996:<br /><br /> <img src="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/Scan0002-4.jpg"><br /><img src="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/Scan0003-2.jpg"><br /><br /><br />Be well Brian<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> Be sure and add Kleinow to the known list, as it's in this auction and I have seen this card. I think I have a scan...in a psa 4 holder?

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>I will upgrade the list an add Kleinow (Bos) to it. <br /><br />Kleinow contradicts the "LENOX - Red HINDU mutual exclusivity" rule for cards in the 460-only Series.<br /> Have you read my other Red HINDU thread regarding this "rule" ?<br /><br />I'm beginning to think Scot Reader's original classification of this Kleinow (and, also Smith - Chi & Bos)<br />belonging in the 350/460 Series is possibly more accurate.<br /><br />Gee, these 2 subjects are a mystery. Do you know if Smith exists with both LENOX & Red HINDU backs ?<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Updated list of the 43 confirmed T206's with Red HINDU backs.....7/2/07<br /><br />Possible total = 110 Subjects......however, I'm beginning to wonder that a fair number of the <br />remaining 67 subjects are "No-Prints".<br /><br />And, so far in this survey we are seeing multiples of.....M. Brown (Chi).....Chase (dk cap).....<br />Crandall (cap)....Duffy....Gandil....McGraw (glove)....Tannehill....Wheat<br /><br />Baker<br />Bender (no trees)<br />M. Brown (Chi)<br />Burch (fldg)<br />Chase (blue)............super-print <br />Chase (dark cap)......super-print<br />Cobb (red)...............super-print<br />Cobb (bat off)<br />Crandall (cap)..........460-only<br />Davis (A's)<br />Devore....................460-only<br />Donlin (bat)<br />Doolan (bat)<br />Downey (bat)<br />Larry Doyle (bat)<br />Duffy.......................460-only<br />Elberfeld (Wash-fldg)<br />Evers (Chi-bat)..........super-print<br />Ford........................460-only<br />Gandil......................460-only<br />Geyer......................460-only<br />Griffith (bat)<br />Hummell...................460-only<br />Johnson (pitch)<br />Kleinow (Boston)........460-only<br />Konetchy (glove low)<br />Magee (bat)<br />Manning (pitch)<br />McGraw (glove hip).....460-only<br />O'Leary (hds/knees)<br />Pfeffer......................460-only<br />Rucker (throw)<br />Seymour (throw)<br />Sheckard (glove)........460-only<br />Snodgrass (fldg)<br />Stahl (glove) <br />Street (fldg)<br />Sweeney (NY)<br />Tannehill (Chi-throw)....460-only<br />Wagner (bat/right)<br />Wheat........................460-only<br />Willis (throw)<br />CYoung (glove)<br /><br />I REPEAT....any more Red HINDU's out there in Net54-land ? ?<br /><br />T-Rex TED

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Added Addie Joss to the list....per Brian W's picture.<br /><br />This brings confirmed T206's with Red HINDU backs to 44 cards.<br /><br />Thanks Brian<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Updated list of the 44 confirmed T206's with Red HINDU backs.....7/4/07<br /><br />Possible total = 110 Subjects......however, I'm beginning to wonder that a fair number of the <br />remaining 66 subjects are "No-Prints"<br /><br />Baker<br />Bender (no trees)<br />M. Brown (Chi)<br />Burch (fldg)<br />Chase (blue)..............super-print <br />Chase (dark cap)........super-print<br />Cobb (red).................super-print<br />Cobb (bat off)<br />Crandall (cap).............460-only<br />Davis (A's)<br />Devore.......................460-only<br />Donlin (bat)<br />Doolan (bat)<br />Downey (bat)<br />Larry Doyle (bat)<br />Duffy..........................460-only<br />Elberfeld (Wash-fldg)<br />Evers (Chi-bat).............super-print<br />Ford............................460-only<br />Gandil..........................460-only<br />Geyer..........................460-only<br />Griffith (bat)<br />Hummell........................460-only<br />Johnson (pitch)<br />Joss (pitch)<br />Kleinow (Boston).............460-only<br />Konetchy (glove low)<br />Magee (bat)<br />Manning (pitch)<br />McGraw (glove hip)..........460-only<br />O'Leary (hds/knees)<br />Pfeffer...........................460-only<br />Rucker (throw)<br />Seymour (throw)<br />Sheckard (glove).............460-only<br />Snodgrass (fldg)<br />Stahl (glove) <br />Street (fldg)<br />Sweeney (NY)<br />Tannehill (Chi-throw)........460-only<br />Wagner (bat/right)<br />Wheat............................460-only<br />Willis (throw)<br />CYoung (glove)<br /><br />I'm looking for any more Red HINDU's out there....in Net54-land ?<br /><br /><br />A HAPPY 4th OF JULY TO ALL.........<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Last call for all you guys and gals to show or tell us about your T206's with Red HINDU backs ?<br /><br />Don't be shy.....show-off those pretty looking cards of yours.<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>hey guys, i just submitted the above posted hugh duffy red hindu to PSA for grading...thought we'd have a little fun and see how you think it will grade...2? 3? what are some of your thoughts? i will post the result next week, when i find out...<br /><br /><br />thanks!<br />MS

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>MIKE S<br /><br />PSA 3 <br /><br />or<br /><br />SGC 30 (2)<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>ted- i figure a PSA 3...<br /><br />is SGC that much tuffer, that it would grade one notch lower with them?

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Posted By: <b>Lee</b><p>Mike,<br /><br />IMO, SGC can at times grade a bit tougher than PSA. I have had cards that look the same condition as your Red Hindu that got the grade of SGC 30.<br /><br />Best,<br />Lee H

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>I'm far from the best person to talk about differences in Graded cards. But, my observation is that SGC graded<br /> cards are more strictly graded than PSA. In fact, I would say GAI cards are more strictly graded than PSA.<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>lee/ted- <br /><br />thanks for your opinions...<br /><br />i agree that SGC can be tuffer at times, but i also have seen plenty of undergraded PSA cards too.

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>To steal a line from an old Peggy Lee song......"Is that all there is ?"......I don't think so.<br /><br />UPDATED 7/10/07<br /><br />Possible total = 110 Subjects....however, unless we find some more, I'm beginning to think that a fair<br /> number of the remaining 66 subjects are "No-Prints".<br /><br />44 confirmed Red HINDU's<br /><br />Baker<br />Bender (no trees)<br />M. Brown (Chi)<br />Burch (fldg)<br />Chase (blue)..............super-print <br />Chase (dark cap)........super-print<br />Cobb (red).................super-print<br />Cobb (bat off)<br />Crandall (cap).............460-only<br />Davis (A's)<br />Devore.......................460-only<br />Donlin (bat)<br />Doolan (bat)<br />Downey (bat)<br />Larry Doyle (bat)<br />Duffy..........................460-only<br />Elberfeld (Wash-fldg)<br />Evers (Chi-bat).............super-print<br />Ford............................460-only<br />Gandil..........................460-only<br />Geyer..........................460-only<br />Griffith (bat)<br />Hummell........................460-only<br />Johnson (pitch)<br />Joss (pitch)<br />Kleinow (Boston).............460-only<br />Konetchy (glove low)<br />Magee (bat)<br />Manning (pitch)<br />McGraw (glove hip)..........460-only<br />O'Leary (hds/knees)<br />Pfeffer...........................460-only<br />Rucker (throw)<br />Seymour (throw)<br />Sheckard (glove).............460-only<br />Snodgrass (fldg)<br />Stahl (glove) <br />Street (fldg)<br />Sweeney (NY)<br />Tannehill (Chi-throw)........460-only<br />Wagner (bat/right)<br />Wheat............................460-only<br />Willis (throw)<br />CYoung (glove)<br /><br />I'm still looking for any more Red HINDU's out there......this is worth another round, so let's see what<br /> you T206 collectors in Net54-land can come up with ?<br /><br />T-Rex TED

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>the hugh duffy red hindu graded a PSA 2...i'm dissapointed.<br /><br />see scan above.

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Gee, for a guy who is not that into graded cards, I guessed quite accurately on the grade<br /> you would get for your Duffy.<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>good guess...<br /><br />i'm not thrilled with the grade, but it is a clean HOF red hindu...

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Posted By: <b>david Poses</b><p>i don't mean to hijack the thread, but is there a ratio of brown hindu to red hindu backs? how scarce are the brown hindus of any given player? is it more pronounced with southern leaguers (comparatively)?

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p>David,<br /><br />If by "ratio of brown to red" you are talking about relative back scarcity, my survey data show that ratio is about 10:1, that is, red is roughly 10X scarcer than brown.<br /><br />Scot

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Posted By: <b>Dan Koochin</b><p>more T206 Red Hindu's :<br />Pfeister batting<br />ok , thats it, I've checked exhaustively through my old checklists<br />but that is the only player unlisted above. The only one I currently<br />own is a Red Hindu Johnny Evers. Wheat (HOF) seems to have the most<br />existing examples. Distribution? reasonable to asume a Louisiana issue,<br />possible distribution in Tennessee.

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Great to hear from you. Your Pfeister has been added to the list of Red HINDU's, which brings the total to 45.<br />Incidently, I think you meant "throwing" on the Pfeister card.<br /><br />Thanks,<br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>UPDATED 7/14/07<br /><br />Possible total = 110 Subjects....however, unless we find some more, I'm beginning to think that a fair<br /> number of the remaining 65 subjects are "No-Prints".<br /><br />45 confirmed Red HINDU's<br /><br />Baker<br />Bender (no trees)<br />M. Brown (Chi)<br />Burch (fldg)<br />Chase (blue)..............super-print <br />Chase (dark cap)........super-print<br />Cobb (red).................super-print<br />Cobb (bat off)<br />Crandall (cap).............460-only<br />Davis (A's)<br />Devore.......................460-only<br />Donlin (bat)<br />Doolan (bat)<br />Downey (bat)<br />Larry Doyle (bat)<br />Duffy..........................460-only<br />Elberfeld (Wash-fldg)<br />Evers (Chi-bat).............super-print<br />Ford............................460-only<br />Gandil..........................460-only<br />Geyer..........................460-only<br />Griffith (bat)<br />Hummell........................460-only<br />Johnson (pitch)<br />Joss (pitch)<br />Kleinow (Boston).............460-only<br />Konetchy (glove low)<br />Magee (bat)<br />Manning (pitch)<br />McGraw (glove hip)..........460-only<br />O'Leary (hds/knees)<br />Pfeffer...........................460-only<br />Pfeister (throwing)<br />Rucker (throw)<br />Seymour (throw)<br />Sheckard (glove).............460-only<br />Snodgrass (fldg)<br />Stahl (glove) <br />Street (fldg)<br />Sweeney (NY)<br />Tannehill (Chi-throw)........460-only<br />Wagner (bat/right)<br />Wheat............................460-only<br />Willis (throw)<br />CYoung (glove)<br /><br />Still looking for any more Red HINDU's out there......let's see what you T206 collectors in Net54-land<br /> can come up with ?<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Shall we give this survey one more ride ?<br /><br />There has to be more than just 45 - T206's with Red HINDU backs....Show or Tell us of the ones you have....<br />Mint ones....naked ones....graded ones....Vg ones....beat-up ones....whatever condition, we're not fussy.<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>TONY<br /><br />Here's the thread with the Red HINDU information you requested. If you have anymore questions, don't hesitate to ask me.<br /><br />TED Z