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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>At one time a collector would buy a card in excellent condition, get it, look at it, say "whoa! this is nice", and repeat this process many times.<br />That individual, it appears is rapidly being replaced by the one who gets his excellent card, looks at it and says "whoa! this is nice, I think it may get a &lt;pick a number&gt;. Then this collector, knowing full well that everything is for sale sooner or later (when the price and other factors are favorable) will select the slab house of choice, submit the card and sit on the edge of his chair hoping, hoping, that his card gets the &lt;pick a number&gt; of his preference.<br /><br />It is a change in philosophy brought about by factors currently in play in the hobby. Some regret this change, others understand, accept and even appreciate it.

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Posted By: <b>Josh Adams</b><p>Why does almost every thread wind up debating this issue? &lt;sigh&gt;

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Posted By: <b>Joe Pelaez</b><p>The topic is not happening.<br /><br />It's all an illusion.<br /><br />Yes Josh A, there is a santa claus. &lt;sigh&gt;<br /><br /><br />Adam boxingcardman:<br />Peter was born with a foot in his mouth. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br /><br />Leon, ... I luv Cobby33's art work and sense of humor, I really do.<br />Tell me, Is Cobby33 his full name?<br /><br />And while we're at it, is Lucky your real family last name???<br /><br />Joe Pelaez <br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Josh Adams</b><p>That's the problem Joe, this discussion always happens. And it's people like you who are the ones to raise it. <br />Thanks for bumping a topic that seemed to have died out. Good job.<br /><br />And I don't celebrate Christmas, so the existence of Santa does not bother me all that much.<br /><br />Get some rest, it's late buddy!

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Posted By: <b>Joe Pelaez</b><p>SHALOM ALEICHEM<br /><br />Yossel <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Fred C</b><p>I believe in the same miracle as a few others... bring on the meltdowna and clear out the suckers that only got into the hobby to make a buck. I'd rather pick up a lot of pieces during a meltdown rather than a few during a speculatory period. meltdown, crash, whatever - bring it on!

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Do you guys remember that at one time money wasn't part of the equation? It was simply guys getting together and trading cards. Or it was guys getting together to flip cards or playing knockdown. Or guys getting together looking at the stats or cartoons on the back of the card. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Peter C.

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Posted By: <b>Bill Cornell</b><p>Peter -<br /><br />The hitch with your relentless nostalgia is that the events you describe never happened. I have cards I bought 20 years ago; they weren't free then and, thankfully, they wouldn't be free now if I parted with them. Even Joe P. wouldn't accept the syrupy blather you're peddling.<br /><br /><br />Bill

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>It must be before your time. It's also possible it depends on the neighborhood you grew up in. I suppose in some neighborhoods it was always about the money. Actually in our neighborhood, comics was the big collectible, but baseball cards ran a close second.<br /><br />Peter C.

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Posted By: <b>Joe Pelaez</b><p>Are you talking about?

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>....what planet?

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Was it really that different in your neighborhoods, I'm talking about SF in the '60s, I went to Madison elementary school. I remember that we didn't have big allowances back then so we couldn't buy old cards even if we wanted to.<br /><br />But we could scrounge up nickels and dimes to buy wax packs and trade. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>I agree, caramel cards are going to go through the floor and are a horrible investment, especially E94s, E97s and E98s. Please get rid of them now while you can. I will be at the National to buy these unwanted cards from you as a public service <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Joe Pelaez</b><p>The period that I refer to is the late 1930's early 1940's, up to 1945 in Spanish Harlem.<br />You probably weren't even born yet.<br />We didn't even own bikes to put our cards between the spokes.<br />The difference is as great as the question posed by a current collector asking, "What was collecting like before the advent of the PC, and eBay?"<br /><br />You sound like a rich kid. ... What's an ALLOWANCE??? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Neal Kane</b><p>gee whiz<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>There is a disconnect here. Peter is clearly referring to a time period when he was a kid, collecting and trading with his friends. Im sure kids still do that today. However, it seems that this is really about adult collectors, dealers and hobby issues that kids dont concern themselves with. Even back in the 60's, Im sure that store owners, vendors, dealers, etc. were concerned with the money.

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Posted By: <b>Joe Pelaez</b><p>When you side stepped my question, it automatically told me that you had non to give.<br /><br />What are you doing in a conversation between myself, and Peter???

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Come on, Joe, when did you discover baseball cards. Was it before or after you got beat up by the gangs?<br /><br />Peter C.

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Posted By: <b>Rich Klein</b><p> Please take your disagreements to IM's. The board is no place for us to rant at each other --- <br /><br /> Regards<br /> Rich

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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Joe,<br /><br />Your background means nothing to me and, in the context of the thread that it was provided in, was little more than unintelligible rambling. I chose not to provide my background to you because it would not have added in any way to the thread. As to your other question, the last time I checked this was a public forum that permitted any registered user to comment on any thread as they deemed appropriate. Since my comment above had nothing at all to do with you and was not directed toward you, kindly butt out.

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Posted By: <b>andy becker</b><p>"You sound like a rich kid. ... What's an ALLOWANCE??? "<br /><br />joe,<br />an allowance is what an educated person makes when reading your posts (no insertion of <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> here)

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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>"Do you guys remember that at one time money wasn't part of the equation? It was simply guys getting together and trading cards. Or it was guys getting together to flip cards or playing knockdown. Or guys getting together looking at the stats or cartoons on the back of the card."