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Posted By: <b>Cobby33</b><p>Anyone care to share the punchline? I'm not a tekkie so I have no idea what those IP addresses mean or don't mean in the grand scheme of things.

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Posted By: <b>jackgoodman</b><p>Barry, don't forget Sky King's airplane's name (yes even the plane had a name) - The Songbird.

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Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p> "S_E_E KO---"<br /><br />I'd like ot buy a consonant. It seems like all the vowels may already there.<br /><br />Steve Ko---<br /><br />Little help!<br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Kenneth A. Cohen</b><p>Barry,<br /><br />I believe Penny was Sky's niece. I seem to remember her calling him Uncle Sky.<br /><br />Ken

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>An IP address is an Internet Protocol address...each computer attached to the internet has one. If someone uses Yahoo it changes all of the time...That's about as technical as I get....I would hate to have to require everyone to fill a form out, or such, in order to participate on the board....So far these "anonymous" trolls (a troll is basically a trouble maker) are isolated incidents.....take care

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Kenneth- You are correct, it was his niece. I remember watching reruns as a kid, and Sky King would fly his plane and Penny would always get herself in some kind of trouble (or was that My Little Margie?).

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Posted By: <b>Gene Palmer</b><p>&lt;&lt;We already saw "sam" leave, so to me, he wasn't "sam". He was someone else.....&gt;&gt;<br /><br />I hope it wasn't son of Sam. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>B.C.Daniels</b><p>his last name is NOT Kennedy<br />or Nugent<br /><br />or even Kubiak!<br /><br />and Teddy bears were not named after him either! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br /><br /><br><br>BcD <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>ScottIngold</b><p>Isn't a " Ted " in competition with Bobby ?<br /><br />God we'd make awful detective's. Where's Mark Furman ?

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Posted By: <b>Frank Evanov</b><p>Is it <B>TG</B>if or if<B>TG</B> posts here?<br><br>Frank

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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>Mr. Binder has thrown down the gauntlet. It's up to him to out "Sam".<br /><br />BTW it's not T.G.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>I think that's who he is certainly implying who "Sam" is.

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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>Mr. Binder will be proven mistaken.

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Posted By: <b>Jerry Spillman</b><p><br /><H2><FONT COLOR="red"> How did you acquire all of those sports card checklists you have on you web site? </FONT></H2><br />

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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p><br />OLD CARDBOARD while we're at it.<br /><br />How did you acquire all of those sports card checklists you have on you (sic) web site?

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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p><br />CARDPRICER while we're at it?<br /><br />How did you acquire all of those sports card checklists you have on you (sic) web site?

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Posted By: <b>Ken McMillan</b><p>that's really keene

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Posted By: <b>B.C.Daniels</b><p>What do you collect?<br />any chance you are into blacksox players?<br><br>BcD <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Well Steve, based on my dealings with TG, I have a hard time believing that TG is Sam. Doesnt seem in character to me at all. However, Bobby is obviously pointing the finger at TG. So, if you have some information that the rest of us dont, Id sure like to know what it is.<br /><br />Similarly, I'd like Bobby to explain what evidence exists (other than a few coincidences) that proves Sam and TG are one in the same.<br /><br />Finally - regarding the checklists - Jerry, that post is just plain stupid. Steve missed a few - so you might want to also ask: Where did Beckett get the checklists in their guide? How about the Standard Catalog of BB Cards? How about SMR? How about Lew Lipset in his Encyclopedia of Baseball Cards? How about the PSA and SGC registries?

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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>(I'm an old man and can't stay up as late as you young whippersnappers or else I would have responded earlier) <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />1. I too think it out of character for T.G. to be "Sam". I can only go on my prior dealings with him and the several emails exchanged over the past few days where he disclaims being "Sam". I have no other information.<br /><br />2. I have likewise exchanged emails with Bobby. While it is clear that he is implying that T.G. is "Sam" he has not provided (at least not to me)any solid evidence to support his suspicions. <br /><br />3. Yes Jerry's was a stupid post. What was the purpose? <br /><br />Finally, anyone can "imply" all they want. Until there is a direct accusation supported by solid proof there is really no need for this to continue. <br /><br />Disclaimer: I am a subscriber to VCP and have found it to be an invaluable resource.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Kravitz</b><p>I can say that I have known Ted for a while and his integrity is beyond most. He would never stoop so low as to take shots at someone using an assumed name. I would bet my collection on it! If Ted had something he wanted to say, he would do it using his own identity. Ted's site is so extremely comprehensive and superior that he does not need to involve himself in silly games. I believe it may be someone who has had a sour dealing with Bobby in the past, and from the sounds of it there may be a few.

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Posted By: <b>Jerry Spillman</b><p>No answer yet…<br /><br />The publishers/editors of the major sports card price guides spend a considerable amount of time, effort and money to produce a price guide that consists of brief set descriptions, checklists and prices of sports cards. Many of the vintage card checklists represent the accumulation of vast amounts of data that have been compiled over a long period of time. The major contributors of and updates to these checklists are listed on the Acknowledgement page of their publications. Most of these contributors are compensated for their input. Many of these contributors are also members of this forum.<br /><br />Unfortunately these checklists are being appropriated and used as an integral tool in the sports card pricing service businesses. These businesses are now competitors of the sources that publish these checklists and rely on these same publishers for free updates! The publishers of the baseball card price guide catalogs will have to deal with this problem.<br /><br />Over the years I played a small part as a contributor to the baseball card price guide catalog publications. However only the publications that I came to agreement with have the right to use the Sporting Life Cabinet checklist. I made no agreement with vcp.com. I would like to ask that that checklist be removed from that web site. Thank you.<br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>Isn't this a subject more properly addressed privately to the one whom you allege has misappropriated your "property"?<br /><br />I suspect though that it is all part and parcel of a personal vendetta that you, and others, have against VCP and Mr. Binder.<br /><br />Personally I, as well as others on this board, are getting pretty sick of this childishness.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Bobby Binder</b><p>In regards to checklists we spent almost a year collecting this data and inputing them by hand. Of the 1500 sets we currently have a good number of them are a work in progress. The N172 set is over 3500 cards and we have accounted for about 2400 so far. A person recently sent us a scan of Jenkins, Roanoke for the T209 B & W photo series that we added to our list that was not in any books. A number of others are added as the cards come up for auction. Inputing about 3000 auctions a day helps fill these sets rapidly.<br /><br />Hope this explains our process to you.

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Posted By: <b>Zach Rice</b><p>Jenkins of Roanoke in the T209-2 set has been checklisted. On VCP a Jackson of Roanoke is listed as being a card in the T209-2 set instead of the Jenkins card. The Jackson does not exist and should be removed from the list and the Jenkins put in its place.

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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>No need for anyone to get their panties in a wad or become defensive over checklists. Works consisting of common information such as lists or tables are not copyrightable. Bob Lemke and I discussed this years ago when I was asked to revise the exhibit card listings in the catalog. He couldn't give me the data in electronic format because I could then use it, so I had to hand-annotate.

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>lol, is this guy serious? Sole rights to a checklist of a card set?

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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Jerry,<br /><br />Here is a question for you: What legal basis do you have for believing that you have the exclusive rights to the checklist for the sporting life cabinets?

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>I think Jerry is an offspring from Sam Aker...at least I don't recognize his name. This is getting insane. What a baboon.

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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>Mr. Spillman is a very well known and advanced collector.

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Posted By: <b>Steve f</b><p>Bufoon... Don't wanna give an innocent primate a complex... He may curtail his autoerotic activities.

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Steve...but think's he owns the rights to a checklist? I guess I need to read up on the law....geez.

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>autoerotic?

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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>Once I was helping a journalist friend of mine, and I wrote a sentence that used the letter "e".<br /><br />I permitted my journalist friend to use the sentence I gave him, but I only gave the permission to him. Yet despite my hard work, I still see the letter "e" being used all over without my permission.<br /><br />Therefore I would like to ask everyone to stop using the letter "e".<br /><br />Thank you.<br /><br />-Al<br />

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Posted By: <b>Bobby Binder</b><p>The way the Hobby has changed........<br /><br />Reading some of the Burdick Letters that Leon posted showed how people worked together to try and better the hobby. They where the secondary people that created most of the set lists of course after the manufacturers themselves.<br /><br />Fast forward 50+ years and now instead of being a community trying to advance the hobby every one wants credit or payment for something they never created in the first place.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Al, <br /><br />I must apologiz for my us of th lttr " ". I nvr rally mant any harm by using it and will rfrain from doing so from this point forward.<br /><br />oh yah, I am now claiming for myslf th xclusiv rights to th lttrs "a", "i" and "o". I will lav "u" for somon ls.

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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>I just checklisted the alphabet.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>I'm not sure how SCD gets their checklists for new sets, but Beckett will only take a checklist of a previously uncataloged set from a contributor. They will not copy a checklist from any published work.

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>.

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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>Jsh:<br /><br />N prblem. 'll be sure t vd yur letters s wll.<br /><br />Thnks fr the curtesy,<br /><br />-l

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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Al,<br /><br />Thanks for your undrstanding. To show you that I man wll, fl fr to us th capital lttr "A" whn writing your first nam.

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Posted By: <b>Bobby Binder</b><p>Barry,<br /><br />Everything on the site is free except the prices and that is because we pay a fee to eBay for the right to post the values and links. All set lists and images along with a number of other features that we provide are free to anyone who wishes to access it. I believe we are the only site out there that gives you the ability to print or download any of the sets as well.

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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>Jsh:<br /><br />Thnk yu.<br /><br />Yu my feel free t use the letter "e" when spellng ut "Krsner" s well.<br /><br />Regrds,<br /><br />-Al<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Al,<br /><br />You ar vry gnrous.

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>.

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Posted By: <b>Dylan</b><p>DR is right if another person comes along that offers the same service and has it paid by advertisement it would probably win over a lot of customers. But as long as it stays the way it is I see VCP doing fine

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Bobby- at 11:43 PM you addressed a post to me. I haven't even participated on this part of the thread, but I will.<br /><br />In the 1980's there was famous case where one of the monthly price guides (I've already forgotten the name) was successfully sued for stealing a checklist from a Beckett publication. Beckett won the case because the one cited, I believe for the 1969 Topps decals, had an obvious typographical error, and the same error showed up in the monthly guide.<br /><br />That said, the W600's have been checklisted many times before, and while Jerry is an advanced collector who has undoubtedly found a few new additions, I'm not sure why this is big issue. It's true that one should compile a checklist from primary sources, but that would entail having possession or getting a scan of every card in the set. That would be totally impractical. The second best method would be to get permission to use the checklist put together by the collector who knows the set better than anyone. Arguably, that would be Jerry Spillman.

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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Barry S.<br /><br />Bobby was not responding to you above - he was responding to a post by "DR" whose login is "barry bonds". Just an FYI.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I recognize DR, but don't think of him as a Barry, since it's not his real name.

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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>Barry: I've heard from two collectors about the Beckett case but no one can provide specifics, let alone a ruling. Without knowing the basis for the case, and the specifics of the ruling, it is impossible to determine what the court decided. Was the publication CPU (Card Prices Update)? Anyone remember that one? Rich, anything from inside Beckett on the point?<br /><br />The following comes from the copyright office: www.copyright.gov<br /><br />"Several categories of material are generally not eligible for federal copyright protection. These include among others: ... Works consisting entirely of information that is common property and containing no original authorship (for example: standard calendars, height and weight charts, tape measures and rulers, and lists or tables taken from public documents or other common sources)"<br /><br />As I read the final item, a plain old checklist of cards isn't protected because by its nature it derives from public documents or other common sources. You can get protection for a "compilation" of checklists, which is defined as "a work formed by the collection and assembling of preexisting materials or of data that are selected, coordinated, or arranged in such a way that the resulting work as a whole constitutes an original work of authorship." So, for example, the Standard Catalog is a copyrightable document and could not be photocopied and sold, but a specific checklist of a specific set may not be protected. <br /><br />