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Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p>Jim B:<br /><br />It also makes me feel warm and fuzzy that you are quoting one of the State of California's fine upstanding humanitarians.

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Posted By: <b>leonl</b><p>I sort of feel a need to respond but not sure what to say and whom to say it to? Let's just say that this card that PSA graded is pathetic. I am not saying that about ALL of PSA but this card definitely is, there is no denying that. There is certainly a gray area about trimmed cards (that are not supposed to be handcut) and the timing of the trim. In my mind if it was trimmed in 1912 or 2012 doesn't matter....it's still trimmed and under the rules of today should only warrant an AUT grade. As for personal attacks and so on I really don't want to take sides except to say I hope there are fewer in the future. At the same time, regardless of age, if you are throwing jabs all of the time then expect to get jabbed back. As for anyone's age I take responsibility for making a mistake of mentioning anyone's on the board. It was done with good motive but back fired. For that I am sorry and fixed the issue as much as I could. Please treat people with respect and they will return the favor.....best regards ..moderator dude <br /><br />ps...as for letting the other thread about the Cobb go anyone can go back to that thread and see my feelings.....if you still don't understand my thoughts (not sure how that could be) then please email me privately and I will splain further

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Posted By: <b>Shannon</b><p>Thats just brutal on PSA part. This card is just too obvious of being trimmed to be missed. Bad day or whatever else excuse anyone wants to bring up, its just unacceptable. I agree mistakes happen in every aspect of life, but this is really funny in my eyes. People pay good money for a service and for 100 million dollar company to make such a bad mistake its brutal. They need better quality control.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I followed this thread when it began and nobody denies that PSA made a big time error. But when I saw this had now reached 52 posts, I didn't even need to open it up to recognize that everyone must be fighting again. A misgraded card doesn't need 52 different opinions. All I want to say is that while I don't know Zach personally I think it is time for everybody to stop bringing up his age. Age is irrelevant. Bill Mastro and Rob Lifson were once 16 years old and look where they are today. Please treat Zach solely on his knowledge; the rest is age discrimination.

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Posted By: <b>Josh K.</b><p>Well Barry,<br /><br />Just to get technical with you - legally, its not age discrimination unless the "victim" is over the age of 40. Anyone younger than 40 cannot be discriminated against based on age. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> But, I do agree that Zach's age is irrelevant - except to the extent that I wish I had been smart enough to collect prewar cards when I was 16.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Didn't recognize that technicallity. Zach is starting young and watch as he passes us all by. He is already way ahead of the learning curve.

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Posted By: <b>Charlie Barokas</b><p>I am certainly not discriminating against his age but rather as "Leon" put it Jabbing back. He can obviously hold his own and when he fires at me, I will fire back. The way I see it, it would be discrimination not to fire back.<br /><br />I am sure he is a great person. I just took issue with his actions in another thread and used this opportunity to return the favor. <br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>identify7</b><p>I betcha there is a blonde heading his way right now, fixin' to put an end to this waste of time. And Im sure that she has some ideas on how to spend every kernal of extra corn Zach may come across.

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Posted By: <b>Elliot</b><p>Hey Charlie, isn't it time to stop "jabbing back" and to start contributing. So far, you've only posted in two threads, both of which have ended in fights. Don't you think it's fair to take some of the responsibility? You've been lurking for a while, surely you have something positive to add to some threads.

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Posted By: <b>Josh K.</b><p>but gil, you forget that we have all found ways to spend those extra kernals without our respective blond, brunette or redhead finding out about them. I trust zach can do likewise (of course, looking at today's teens and 20 somethings, she will probably have purple hair).

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Posted By: <b>Charlie Barokas</b><p>Elliot,<br /><br />I guess you did not take the time to read all the posts, not saying that I blame you but to some up, my point was very positive in favor of third-party grading.<br /><br />I believe there will be many mistakes because grading involves an opinion not an exact science. But the hobby/business is better off with third-party grading then without it. <br /><br />I have posted many more times than twice and most of my postives have been very positive. I love this business and it is also brings alot of joy to me. But like anything there will be people and or issues that will cause me to push back a little.<br /><br />If you saw the last thread you would see that I simply put a scan of a card up and was assualted for it. It was sort of hard to be positive about that experience. <br /><br />To assure you that I am a postive person, look no further than my feedback on ebay 4000 positives and zero negatives.<br /><br />I look forward to many more positve debates.<br /><br />Charlie

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Posted By: <b>Ryan Christoff</b><p>"If you saw the last thread you would see that I simply put a scan of a card up and was assualted for it. It was sort of hard to be positive about that experience." I know, not only were you intimately violated, but by a minor! Then again, as Yusuf Islam said, "it's a wild world."<br /><br />Zach, what's your e-mail address?<br /><br />-Ryan<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Josh K.</b><p>very nice cat stevens reference.

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Posted By: <b>Elliot</b><p>Rest assured, i have read every post ever made on this forum (I know, I know, I have no life) and have reached my own conclusion. Hopefully going forward things will be "positive".

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Posted By: <b>zach</b><p>Ryan-zacharyrice@sbcglobal.net

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Posted By: <b>will watson</b><p>the auction was ended because the card is getting sent back to PSA for review...odds are it will get graded Authentic.<br /><br />see, sometimes PSA does fix their mistakes

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Posted By: <b>Julie Vognar</b><p>..is beginning to see PSA results roll in (and that's NOT the grading company of choice for REA, for most of its cards)--and what I see ain't good. Too many mistakes up AND down, On not very many cards... <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>"Orange County, where PSA is located, is even more attuned to treating people with dignity."<br /><br />LMFAO! Have you ever been south of the Manson-Nixon line, Cat? You must have it confused with San Francisco. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p>Warshaw:<br /><br />What part of my post did you think I was being serious? Of course, just the part about the seeing eye dog.

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>I won't be surprised if this thing is sitting out on a table at Ft. Washington as is.

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Posted By: <b>Julie Vognar</b><p>The whole schmeer was a joke...

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Posted By: <b>anonymousdave</b><p><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/1911-D304-Brunners-Cy-Young-PSA-None-Higher-No-Res_W0QQitemZ8748035802QQcategoryZ31718QQssPageNam eZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/1911-D304-Brunners-Cy-Young-PSA-None-Higher-No-Res_W0QQitemZ8748035802QQcategoryZ31718QQssPageNam eZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem</a><br /><br /><br />...yet with the same bogus "population" claims<br /><br />"none graded higher".... ever!..<br /><br />wowza!

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>It's grade Authentic/trimmed. Guess PSA will put anything in a slab now. I don't really have a problem with it since it is properly labeled, it's seems to go against everything they have ever stood for. Then again, it will make job easier for the grading monkeys.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I've just reached Upper Lower Class. I am now officially a babe magnet for poor chicks.

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Posted By: <b>zach</b><p>Well, i'm glad PSA did what was right with this card. The title cracks me up though, stating this is the highest grade d304 Young.

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Posted By: <b>quan</b><p>block sportscards is a joke from what i've read...and psa missing this young the first time is an even bigger joke...this coming from someone who supports psa.

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p><img src="http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/beijingyuzhenge/20060803675.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>PSA rectified their mistake. There must be a way to villify them anyway. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>cmoking</b><p>I haven't dealt with them before...but I've heard stuff that wasn't complimentary about them (him). However, I think Block Sportscards needs to be commended for re-submitting the card! Would other dealers do that? Maybe, but I think the majority would just sell it and leave it alone. <br /><br />That's a big plus in my book for the seller.

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Posted By: <b>zach</b><p>Way earlier when this card was a number grade I mentioned to them that I believed the card to be trimmed and showed them a regular non trimmed d304 to compare it to. I said that they shuld mention it in their description or resubmit it because they buyer would not be happy with the product. They responded saying I don't know what i'm talking about and d304 like many other issues from that era have bad cuts. I guess some people just can't handle the truth <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>cmoking</b><p>it looks like he thought about it and listened to you and followed your advice. He probably doesn't want to admit it though, but alot of people are like that (me included at times). So it all worked out correctly in the end.

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>well...it is the highest and only graded brunners bread card in the hobby..no?

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>I don't know why you wouldn't send it back. If I understand the policy correctly, you get the difference price between the original grade and the new grade. In this case, an AUTH just might pull more money than a 1. Even if it doesn't, you are more than likely to make more money on what you get from PSA and what it sells for as AUTH than if you just sold it as a 1.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I've just reached Upper Lower Class. I am now officially a babe magnet for poor chicks.

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Posted By: <b>cmoking</b><p>If that is the case, it would be interesting to know the exact dollar amount that PSA gave the seller/owner of the card.

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>edited to quote Mr. Orlando:<br /><br />Grading is subjective...everybody makes mistakes.