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Post War Vintage....1949 Leaf Paige
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Continuing from my previous post. When we were kids in the<br />late '40s, we loved to watch Satchell Paige pitch. He had an<br />unusual double-loop wind up in his pitching motion which we<br />all tried to emulate.<br /><br />And, don't get me wrong, I loved Mickey since I was an avid<br />Yankee fan. I still quite well remember when I opened my very<br />last wax pack of 1952 Topps Hi#s in the fall of '52. I put<br />the skinny slab of Topps bubble gum in my mouth and carefully<br />removed the cards....1st one was George Spencer, then Hal<br /> Jeffcoat, Billy Herman, Ben Chapman, and Mickey Mantle.<br /><br />Boy was I excited as I ran home as fast as I could to show off<br /> my Mantle card to all my buddies..
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Post War Vintage....1949 Leaf Paige
Posted By: <b>Andy Baran</b><p>My experience is that Levi always has several 49 Leaf Paige's to go with his multiple 52 Topps Mantle's. When compared to pre-war cards, neither of these cards is particularly rare.
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Post War Vintage....1949 Leaf Paige
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Andy I hate to disagree with you, but at the Sept and Dec Philly Shows<br />I do not recall him having any '49 L Paige cards. His booth is just an<br />aisle over from mine and I always check in with him on Friday afternoon.<br />So, I get to check-out what cards he has before he sells them.<br /><br />And, I believe I just said in my prior post how available the Mantle card is.<br />But, I see a lot more pre-WWI and pre-WWII cards of HOFers than the Leaf<br />Paige. For example the availability of any of the T206 Ty Cobbs, whether<br />on Ebay or at Shows, far out does the Paige. <br />
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Post War Vintage....1949 Leaf Paige
Posted By: <b>Andy Baran</b><p>The T206 Cobb is not scarce by pre-war standards either. The Leaf Paige is harder to find than most other cards in the set (which I think is due to popularity as much as true population variances), and it is certainly more difficult than a 52 Topps Mantle, but it is hardly a scarce card. At one time (before the internet became so popular) I would agree that the Paige was a tough card to find. I don't believe this is the case any longer. I guess that scarce is a relative term. Paige may be the most scarce card from the Leaf set (and therefore making it the most scarce card from a "major" card set), but there are many more post war cards that are far more scarce than the Paige. In general terms, I don't consider it a scarce card. Just my opinion.<br /><br />By the way, I'm not trying to knock the Leaf Paige in any way. It is an awesome card, and I have owned one in the past (sold last year). I believe that the Paige should be more valuable than the 52 Topps Mantle in every grade, but that is simply not the case in reality. I just felt that calling that card scarce on a vintage baseball forum that discusses truly scarce cards was a bit of mis-information.<br /><br />I don't go to many shows these days, and it is possible that Levi has sold his inventory of Leaf Paige's, but I have seen multiple Leaf Paige's in varying grades (at the same time) at his table in the past.
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Post War Vintage....1949 Leaf Paige
Posted By: <b>identify7</b><p>The "straights" know little to nothing about Paige, Wagner, Jackson nor others. If you are not into this, but want a baseball card to go with your misc. other coffee table drawer crap, the '52 Mantle card is the choice preferred by 3 out of 4 straights.<br /><br />Guess how many straights there are, compared to how many of us there are.
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Post War Vintage....1949 Leaf Paige
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Gil<br /><br />Who are the "straights" ?
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Post War Vintage....1949 Leaf Paige
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Andy B.<br /><br />At least we seem to agree that the 1949 Leaf Paige card is tougher to<br />find than the 1952 Topps Mantle.<br /><br />However, I take issue with you, implying that this Paige Thread is not<br />applicable to this "Vintage" card Forum. If this subject on this Forum<br />was "O/T", then Leon would have made that determination and edited it<br />out.<br />Look, I have posted all the colorful pages of my N162 Album, which is<br /> arguably one of the scarcest 19th Century Vintage items; and, it got<br />very little response on this Forum. I have posted my 1880's colorful<br />Scorecard and there was very little response; although, Bill Heitman<br />did and I am thankful for his response. And, I have initiated Threads<br />which stimulated some "heavy" thoughts on mysteries of certain T206<br />cards; and, those posts have not really generated the response that<br />this Paige card Thread has.<br /><br />So, you tell me what subject is appropriate to post on this Forum, ?<br /><br />Because in the 5 months that I have been part of it, I really could<br />not tell you.
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Post War Vintage....1949 Leaf Paige
Posted By: <b>Chris</b><p>Amen Ted! I for one am enjoying this thread. I have always been fascinated with this set and have always wanted to work on it but feel I am much too late to start it now. I don't know how scarce the Paige is but I think the reason you may not see so many offered is the fact he is a very popular player with very few cards available and I think people don't want to part with them if they have them. Not that I think there are a ton of them out there. Sometimes I think we call something scarce when in reality it is just an item that doesn't come up for sale often because coillectors want to hold onto them. Ted, what do you know about the printing of this set? Given the SP's in the set. There is a common in this set, the name escapes me right now that almost never comes up for sale. BTW Ted, for what it is worth, I love your posts. I don't always respon but always read them.
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Post War Vintage....1949 Leaf Paige
Posted By: <b>Andy Baran</b><p>Ted,<br /><br />I have no issue discussing the 49 Leaf Set on this site. Please show me where I said that I had an issue with it, or said that it was off topic. My only issue is that I felt that you misrepresented the scarcity of the card. There are hundreds of Leaf Paige's in existance. Is it desirable? Absolutely. Is it tougher to find than many mainstream post WW2 cards? Absolutely. Is it particularly scarce? Not in my opinion. At the end of the day, I think the only thing that we don't agree on is the scarcity (or lack thereof) of the Leaf Paige.<br /><br />That was the ONLY point that I was trying to make, and now I'm regretting that I did.
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Post War Vintage....1949 Leaf Paige
Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Maybe the statistics discussion is done on this thread, but I was just reading this morning in the Smithsonian Baseball book about Bill Mastro's collection. He said that he bought over 2000 packs of 1965 cards and was still missing one card for a complete set. I would have to go back to the book to check which one it was.<br />JimB
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Post War Vintage....1949 Leaf Paige
Posted By: <b>Glenn</b><p>How many cards to a 1965 wax pack? 12? If so (and if the story's true) we can be virtually certain the cards were not randomly distributed in equal numbers. If he had bought only 2000 packs, with equal numbers from each series, the probability that he'd still be missing a card from the set (had they been randomly distributed in equal numbers) would be .00000000000000215. And you say he bought MORE THAN 2000 packs?
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Post War Vintage....1949 Leaf Paige
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Hey Folks,<br />No need for nice, respectable guys to get into a pissing match about what is allowed or "on topic" for this forum. I almost can't believe someone would say that don't know what to talk about, or what is talked about, on this forum. For anyone that wants to know you don't even have to click. It's at the top, on the front page of the board. I probably haven't done a perfect job of defining "off topic" because there's not "a" good answer. In general if Ted, or Andy, or Tbob, or Dan B, want to do an off topic it is permitted per the forum rules. If you are not a regular participant then you shouldn't start off topic threads. The idea is that we are a family and being "in" the family has certain privileges. One of those being allowed to post off topic stuff. If you have never started a vintage baseball card thread, or don't participate everyday, then please don't start off topic stuff. I don't consider 40's cards very off topic even if they are late 40's. (see forum Faq's). Every now and then a 50's baseball card set can be discussed if brought up by a regular board participant. I assure everyone I thought long, and discussed with previoius moderator(s), before I set rules in the beginning of my tenure. There are many gray areas on this board and this is one. In general it is a Pre-WWII vintage baseball card chat board....thanks again....
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Post War Vintage....1949 Leaf Paige
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>VintageChris<br /><br />How about emailing me and I will try to answer all your questions<br /> regarding this set.<br /><br />T-Rex Ted <br /><br />
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Post War Vintage....1949 Leaf Paige
Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>"Does anyone really know what time it is ?"....the title and<br />lyrics of the famous Chicago Transit Authority song, 1967.<br /><br />Well, does anyone really READ the backs of BB cards anymore ?<br />Here we have the Chicago based Leaf Gum Co. card of Satchel<br />Paige.....have any of you read the back of it ?<br /><br />The last sentence in his write-up tells us without any doubt<br />what year this card was marketed.....1949. And, if you bother<br />to read the backs of many of the 1st and 2nd (scarce) series<br />cards in this set, you will realize it is indeed a 1949 set.<br /><br />Furthermore, if you do some homework regarding the 98 players<br />in this set you will realize that this set was never issued<br />in 1948. This is my final word on this subject.<br /><br />So.....Good Night and Good Luck and may you all have a.....<br /> <br />Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah and Season's Greetings. <br /><br />
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Post War Vintage....1949 Leaf Paige
Posted By: <b>David Vargha</b><p>I just wanted to say that I think it's really cool how the margins on Ted's posts are different from the rest of ours.<br><br>DavidVargha@hotmail.com
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Post War Vintage....1949 Leaf Paige
Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Glenn,<br />I believe there were 5 to a pack because he said he has over 10,000 cards.<br />JimB
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Post War Vintage....1949 Leaf Paige
Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>I have only a few of these but they are all copyright 1949. I cannot believe that Leaf would screw up its copyright rights by either listing the cards with the wrong dates (1949 if issued in 1948) or issuing the cards before they actually were copyrighted and then copyrighting them in 1949.
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Post War Vintage....1949 Leaf Paige
Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>The were issued in the Spring of 1949.<br /><br />They are all mislabeled by everyone as 1948-49...<br /><br />but they should ONLY be labeled as a 1949 set.
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Post War Vintage....1949 Leaf Paige
Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Didn't the thread a few months ago conclude that the copyright date referred to when the photos on the cards were copyrighted, not when the cards themselves were issued?<br />JimB
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Post War Vintage....1949 Leaf Paige
Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>Not to my recollection.<br /><br />I think that was a suggestion, but not proven.<br /><br />The only sure thing I remember was that the cards mentioned things on the back that had not yet happened until 1949.
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Post War Vintage....1949 Leaf Paige
Posted By: <b>Eric Pugh</b><p>Just picked one of these up thanks to your enthusiastic responses. <br /><br />Will share the scan when the card arrives.
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