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Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 09:26 AM

We are going to have most if not all of the four card columns before long but no way of knowing the order of most of the columns.

Kevvyg1026 07-14-2024 09:29 AM

1970 topps series 7
 
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Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman (Post 2447743)
Just to be clear, when you say 15 year stat line are you including the Major League Total line as part of the 15 years?

No, I don't think so on the stat line. That box is wider

deweyinthehall 07-14-2024 09:33 AM

I think it's Bertaina:

1) the top of the yellow field on McFadden is too low
2) The blue type on Meyer is so close to the edge that it should be partly visible
3) I think Roland doesn't line up as well as Bertaina

Take another look and let me know what you think

Kevvyg1026 07-14-2024 09:46 AM

1970 Topps series 7
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall (Post 2447764)
Jose Pagan is over Jimmie Hall

Since neither Pagan nor Hall has a white line, that make Pagan a row 2 card (Tepedino leader) and Hall a row 3 card (Stewart leader)

Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026 (Post 2447717)
MC of Roland, looks like a 15 yr stat line

Attachment 628357

I am assuming you are including the Major League Totals as a line, there are four cards that have 15 lines that way, McBean, McDowell, Meyer, and Sadecki. Meyer is eliminated because he is a top row card. Sadecki is also eliminated because Roland is a top row card and Sadecki is a bottom row card in the Cardinals Rookies column.

Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by deweyinthehall (Post 2447750)
In the Roland above, he has to be over either McDowell or McBean - I think McDowell matches a bit better, and when you look at McBean, the Y in "YEAR" seems too close to the edge to not be seen in the miscut.

Not sure enough to call it for McDowell though, yet.

Just now saw this post again, I agree with you that it is McDowell under Roland.

Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 12:43 PM

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I'm thinking this has to be McBean under Jack Fisher.

deweyinthehall 07-14-2024 12:48 PM

FYI - As it stands there are 8 cards for which we know absolutely nothing:

Jerry Robertson
Jim Hardin
Rich Rollins (this guy is also part of the 1966 6th series - can't get away from him!)
Frank Robinson
Dalton Jones
Al McBean
Jose Cardenal
Tom Haller

Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 01:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall (Post 2447822)
FYI - As it stands there are 8 cards for which we know absolutely nothing:

Jerry Robertson
Jim Hardin
Rich Rollins (this guy is also part of the 1966 6th series - can't get away from him!)
Frank Robinson
Dalton Jones
Al McBean
Jose Cardenal
Tom Haller

.

Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 01:05 PM

Pretty sure that is Reichardt under Robertson, I will need to double check and make sure it's not Dalton Jones or Collins. ETA after comparing Collins and Dalton Jones I'm convinced it is Reichardt under Robertson.

deweyinthehall 07-14-2024 01:20 PM

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And I am convinced it is Rich Rollins under Frank Robinson...

deweyinthehall 07-14-2024 01:38 PM

I agree it's Reichardt under Robertson as well - I couldn't decide between Collins or Reichardt, but the stat line type setting in Reichardt fits the patter.

deweyinthehall 07-14-2024 02:08 PM

So, before I step away for the day to finish my 1970 page, here is what I now show regarding our path to 11 columns of 4 cards - putting aside the fact that the Padres team is to the right of the Giants.

Checklist
Tepedino
Stewart
Francona

?
Robertson
Reichardt
AL Rookies

Phillips
Tatum
?
?

Fisher
McBean
?
?

?
?
Lolich
Ward

?
Pagan
Hall
?

?
?
?
Leonhard

Meyer
?
?
?

Baker
?
?
?

?
Robinson
Rollins
?

?
?
?
Knoop

Cards Rookies
?
?
Sadecki

?
?
Garibaldi
?

Uhlaender
Giants
Indians
Aguirre

McFadden
?
?
?

?
?
?
Collins

?
Padres
?
?

Roland
McDowell
?
?

?
?
?
Santiago

Fairly
?
Lucchesi
Duncan

?
?
?
Phoebus

Bertaina
Billingham
?
?

We know all the cards in the top row, and all in the bottom.
We know 9 of 11 in the second row and 8 of 11 in the third

There seem to be only 4 for which we don't know any adjacent cards -
Jones, Hardin, Haller and Cardenal.

Kevvyg1026 07-14-2024 05:48 PM

1970 series 7
 
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Dalton Jones MC

Attachment 628446

Kevvyg1026 07-14-2024 05:51 PM

1970 Topps series 7
 
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Another Dalton MC, this to the left

Attachment 628447

Kevvyg1026 07-14-2024 06:05 PM

1970 Topps series 7
 
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How many cards in row 1 have the checklist on the left side? Here's a mc of the Padres team card.

Attachment 628448

deweyinthehall 07-14-2024 06:13 PM

Well, only 1 would - it would be one of the other 10 row 1 cards, except for Bertaina which is on the right edge.

If this Padres card had a bit more of the card above it, we would have our first block of columns as the Padres is the to the right of the Giants, which is in the completed Uhlaender/Giants/Indians/Aguirre column.

Kevvyg1026 07-14-2024 06:27 PM

Silly me, they all do if they are a regular card. I guess I have to look for a 3rd row card that shows a copyright on the right. lol

Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 08:25 PM

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That Dalton Jones horizontal miscut has Jim Stewart to his left, the broken circle in the copyright and the slivers of the stats match up perfectly. That means Dalton Jones is the third card of the second column.

Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 08:34 PM

The card under Dalton Jones in C4 of the second column is either Knoop or Santiago, they both have 17 line stats.

Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 08:46 PM

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It is Knoop under Dalton Jones in C4 of the second column, all Knoop cards have an extended ink flaw in the corner of the blue box that matches Kevin's miscut in post #64.

Kevvyg1026 07-14-2024 08:55 PM

Why is Bertaina eliminated as being below Ward? Ward is a row 4 card, Bertainia is a row 1 card. I've seen some miscuts of Lolich that, although not definitive, suggest it might be a RE card.

Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026 (Post 2447930)
Why is Bertaina eliminated as being below Ward? Ward is a row 4 card, Bertainia is a row 1 card. I've seen some miscuts of Lolich that, although definitive, suggest it might be a RE card.

I don't remember, I probably confused it with another card. I'll go back and edit that post.

Kevvyg1026 07-14-2024 09:38 PM

Lolich MC
 
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funny miscut

Attachment 628474

Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 10:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026 (Post 2447930)
Why is Bertaina eliminated as being below Ward? Ward is a row 4 card, Bertainia is a row 1 card. I've seen some miscuts of Lolich that, although definitive, suggest it might be a RE card.

I believe you are right, I tried the Ward miscut to Bertaina again and it's a perfect fit. Good thing you caught that. So that means the Bertaina column of

Bertaina
Billingham
Lolich
Ward

is the RE 11th column.

Kevvyg1026 07-15-2024 03:30 AM

1970 series 7
 
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Although we already have placed Francona, this WB is pretty cool.

Attachment 628476

Kevvyg1026 07-15-2024 03:57 AM

1970 series 7
 
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Here's a side mc of Rollins. Hopefully, not many cards in the 3rd row have the blue extend all the way to the right.

Attachment 628477

Cliff Bowman 07-15-2024 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026 (Post 2447952)
Here's a side mc of Rollins. Hopefully, not many cards in the 3rd row have the blue extend all the way to the right.

Attachment 628477

The currently eligible cards it could be are Lolich, Lucchesi, and Hall, although I might have missed one.

Kevvyg1026 07-15-2024 01:09 PM

1970 series 7
 
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This looks the lower part of the J from Jose Pagan is to the right of F Robby, which puts Hall to the right of Rollins

Attachment 628499

deweyinthehall 07-15-2024 04:21 PM

Yep that's Pagan - the blue bar on the reverse of the Robinson ciches it.

deweyinthehall 07-15-2024 04:33 PM

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Reichardt is to the left of either Lolich or Lucchesi...

jmoran19 07-15-2024 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026 (Post 2447939)
funny miscut

Attachment 628474

Looks like Mickey is a right edge card to me

deweyinthehall 07-15-2024 04:51 PM

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Cardenal is over Phoebus...

Cliff Bowman 07-15-2024 05:06 PM

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My bad, I was way off.

Cliff Bowman 07-15-2024 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jmoran19 (Post 2448113)
Looks like Mickey is a right edge card to me

We have the right edge (11th column):

Bertaina
Billingham
Lolich
Ward

deweyinthehall 07-15-2024 05:12 PM

I think that is a team card next to Reichardt - do you see a bit of yellow?

If so, since Reichardt is in the third row it has to be the Indians

Cliff Bowman 07-15-2024 05:20 PM

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My bad, I was way off.

deweyinthehall 07-15-2024 05:25 PM

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Ask, and ye shall receive...

Cliff Bowman 07-15-2024 05:27 PM

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Already established but here is Stewart above Francona.

Cliff Bowman 07-15-2024 05:47 PM

I think I am wrong about that being a team card beside Reichardt, the blue rectangle of a team card would be on the other end of Reichardt after double checking.

Cliff Bowman 07-15-2024 05:57 PM

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I think this has to be Adolfo Phillips but I haven't been able to put a Phillips card up against it. Leonhard has 11 stat lines, Phillips has 12.

deweyinthehall 07-15-2024 05:59 PM

I was actually thinking that looked like the thin line around the yellow section on the team cards...

Kevvyg1026 07-15-2024 06:17 PM

1970 series 7
 
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card below tatum, 658

Attachment 628560

Cliff Bowman 07-15-2024 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026 (Post 2448140)
card below tatum, 658

Attachment 628560

Jose Cardenal, guaranteed. ETA, that would mean Leonhard isn't above Phillips.

Kevvyg1026 07-15-2024 06:27 PM

1970 Topps series 7
 
with the tatum mc, another block of 4 is complete.

Phillips-Tatum-Cardenal-Phoebus

Kevvyg1026 07-15-2024 06:52 PM

1970 series 7
 
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It's not much, but this mc of McBean suggests that it might be above Hardin

Attachment 628569

Cliff Bowman 07-15-2024 07:09 PM

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After Adolfo Phillips was eliminated from being under Dave Leonhard I tried the next most logical choice Leon McFadden and he is a perfect fit, unlike Phillips who I couldn't get to fit.

Cliff Bowman 07-15-2024 07:33 PM

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Frank Baker is under Jose Santiago, this forces the three vertical cards of

Robertson
Reichardt
AL Rookies

under Meyer which creates the complete column of

Meyer
Reichardt
Robertson
AL Rookies

Cliff Bowman 07-15-2024 07:41 PM

Through the process of elimination the vertical run of

D Jones
Knoop

go into the Roland column and complete it at

Roland
McDowell
D Jones
Knoop

this makes the Roland column the second column with the first column being

Checklist
Tepedino
Stewart
Francona

and finally Collins is the fourth card in the Fisher row.

Kevvyg1026 07-15-2024 07:41 PM

By elimination, that means Haller is a row 2 card. I have no miscuts for either Haller or Collins.


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