Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss (Post 2279281)

Yup, the big time CJs did terrible last night- Jackson, Matty, and Cobb. One would think it was the seller/forum, which may certainly have played a role; ebay is not the ideal place to sell those items at auction. But the super-sharp discount to recent sales is too significant for that to be the only reason. The CJs in Heritage will help inform whether last night’s prices are the result of the economy/state of the hobby, the selling forum, or both. I suspect it’s some of both.

Bright side is you know those items weren’t shilled…

Originally Posted by puckpaul (Post 2279349)

Adding 20% makes no sense. I think those bidding $100-300k can figure out what they want to pay and do the math.

Originally Posted by Smarti5051 (Post 2279374)

Did a Net54 member end up winning the CJ Jackson? I am dying to know what bid would have sniped it had I put one in at the last minute. I assumed the card would end up in the $145K+ range, especially when it hit $105K with a few hours left. So, I casually watched it Halloween night and checked back about 3 mins after it closed. If the buyer had a bid up to $140K, glad I saved him $25K. But, if he was bowing out at $108K, really sad I didn't take the auction more seriously. I am not positive I could have hit submit at $121K, but right now I feel remorse I didn't go for it.

Originally Posted by raulus (Post 2279369)

Sounds like a return to our earlier thread about the juice!

Congrats to 3-2 count for stirring it back up to top of mind for us.

Originally Posted by MVSNYC (Post 2279405)

I was surprised at the CJ prices last night...but, that PSA 5 Jax was overgraded.

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss (Post 2279327)

As an aside, the 1.5 Jax in Heritage has better eye appeal than the 5 that sold last night.

Originally Posted by jsfriedm (Post 2279322)

I was watching the PSA 7 1914 CJ Alexander. This copy sold at auction in 2018 for $20,800 at Heritage, the guy turned down an offer of 40K in February 2021 through the Heritage site, and last night it sold for a little over 27K.

Originally Posted by 3-2-count (Post 2279320)

I'm going to play devils advocate here on the trio of 1914 CJ's which ended last night on Ebay.

Since Ebay does not charge a buyers premium, if factoring in the 20% juice that would have been added on top of these prices if sold through an AH these actually weren't that far off.

The Psa 5 Jax from last night if a 20% BP were added would have been $126,120.00

The last Psa 5 Jax which sold for $240,000.00 was far superior to this example and was centered which many pay way up for these days. Now we can debate if it was $100K+ nicer, but it was nicer nonetheless. Prior to this $240K spike the last sell for a Psa 5 Jax was $116,400 on 8/8/21.

The Psa 4 Cobb from last night if a 20% BP were added would have been $59,721.60.

The last Psa 4 Cobb which sold (this exact card actually) ended at $58,800.00 on 8/15/21.

The Sgc 2 Matty from last night if a 20% BP were added would have been $61,920.00.

The last Sgc 2 Matty which sold (this exact card actually) ended at $64,156.40 on 8/28/21.

Just my two cents :)

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80 (Post 2282182)

This is quite possibly the most ridiculous post I have ever read on this site. BP is already factored in to the bids people make on cards at this level, or levels much lower. The unfortunate part is you are correct, these cards easily went for 20% less than they should have, if not more. But not because of the lack of BP on ebay. I had no idea that these were even up. I'm sure others missed them as well. They ended on the wrong day, a Monday, on the wrong site, and the day before an election.

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80 (Post 2282182)

This is quite possibly the most ridiculous post I have ever read on this site. BP is already factored in to the bids people make on cards at this level, or levels much lower. The unfortunate part is you are correct, these cards easily went for 20% less than they should have, if not more. But not because of the lack of BP on ebay. I had no idea that these were even up. I'm sure others missed them as well. They ended on the wrong day, a Monday, on the wrong site, and the day before an election.

Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 2282391)

Leaving out the wrong election claim, how does somebody not know about eBay and Probstein? It's very high visibility. Probstein is what, a top 2 or 3 seller? It's not some obscure listing at all.

My personal opinion is this means nothing; the card is a joke of a 5 with round corners and stains all over it. I'd get a 2 or 3 submitting it.

Originally Posted by raulus (Post 2282396)

If I’m not mistaken, there were a half dozen pieces cited. Are there similar overgrading issues with the others?

Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 2282403)

I mean, OH NO THE SKY IS FALLING!

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt (Post 2282947)

Aaron that's an awesome card!

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss (Post 2282946)

Keeping in mind that this is the prewar (WWII) part of the forum, regarding blue chips, just take a look at the 25 highest priced lots in the REA auction ending tmrw: Cobb, Wagner, Young, Johnson, Mathewson, t206 and t205 rarities, and 1914 CJ HOFers. Enough said….

Regarding post WWII vintage, I have no doubt that Mantle, Mays, Robinson, Aaron, key 1952 topps cards, etc fit into the blue chip discussion as well. I just don’t play in that playground much and don’t know if the fact that these cards tend to be more available/common compared to cards from before 1940 makes a difference.

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80 (Post 2282182)

This is quite possibly the most ridiculous post I have ever read on this site. BP is already factored in to the bids people make on cards at this level, or levels much lower. The unfortunate part is you are correct, these cards easily went for 20% less than they should have, if not more. But not because of the lack of BP on ebay. I had no idea that these were even up. I'm sure others missed them as well. They ended on the wrong day, a Monday, on the wrong site, and the day before an election.

Originally Posted by raulus (Post 2282990)

Call me crazy, but isn’t this auction exclusively for pre-war items?

For pre-war items to be at the top of the list when they are the only ones on the list, well, the probability of such a result does seem to be strong.

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss (Post 2283028)

I am referring to the players and the specific prewar sets, not prewar in general. I feel that was pretty obvious

Originally Posted by Johnny630 (Post 2278983)

Mantle
Ruth
Jackie
Cobb
Mays

Regular Issue No Oddball Best Centered Highest grade you can afford. That’s my best description of what I consider to be “Blue Chip”

Originally Posted by Aaron Seefeldt (Post 2282891)

The IBM of cards…

Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 2283120)

First TOPPS Mantle (greenish BLUE) ............................................ last TOPPS Mantle (with very rare BLUE background)


:) I thought this thread needed some humor :)


TED Z

T206 Reference
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