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It's true Evers and Tinker were in the same photo when Chance was with the Red Sox, but clearly neither are at all happy about it. Look at their expressions. I know Evers' nickname was "The Crab," but seriously, it looks like he wants to spit. Maybe they did get together in the late 1920s, but Chance was gone by then. I'm thinking perhaps the strongest argument against might be the fact everyone is genuinely smiling in the original photo. |
I don't have any sleuthing to add, but I've enjoyed reading this constructive, respectful, and informative discussion.
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I agree, Steve, a fun discussion. Here's a Tinker photo from RMY and he's wearing what appears to be the same ring in 1913. If my scanner was working, I could enlarge the photos to 2200 dpi like a Columbo episode.
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They’re both wearing wedding rings. :)
Jeez, just look at the ears. Cigar chopper has a smoother interior pattern and lower hanging lobes. You can’t just put two different sets of ears on the same guy. You don’t have to prove a guy is somebody else, in order to prove he’s not the right guy. This isn’t a Mr. Potato Head doll. If one piece doesn’t fit…you must acquit……………..that it’s not him. :D |
Dave, I hear ya, and see your points. I was not the buyer, so I don't need to change my mind. You guys could change my mind, if you explained who it is, like, "Robert, that's ol' Larry McMurtry, Heine Zimmerman's brother-in-law, why he was quite the card sharp and stockbroker in his day, and made a pile o' money for the Evers and Chance families. Here's his photo."
I'd like to see a poll, to see what the silent majority thinks. Are Al's photo expert and me the only people that think it's Tinker? |
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One thing I have noticed that old-time players really seemed to age during their career, compared to modern day players. I have always figured that one of the factors would be that they played day games their entire careers, thus leaving them exposed to the ravages of the sun. I wonder if that aging app would take into account such a factor?
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Evers S81 silk
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I got a reply from Al about the photo!
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Stephen,
Not surprised by Al's actions, he will always do the right thing and take care of you. And am glad to see that a few of us were pretty good at figuring out it wasn't Tinker in that photo, after all. LOL Nice to know we weren't completely ridiculous in our thinking. Now even though that isn't a picture of the famous double play trio, it still is a great photo with some well known HOFers, and a famous race car driver. Plus the fact that there is a publication of it in a known book adds to the potential desirability as well. This picture should still be worth a few bucks. In fact you never know, now that you may be throwing racing collectors in the mix as well, it could still be worth as much as the winning bid, or maybe even more. I know we have some race card collectors on the forum as well. Might be worth checking in with them to see if there is any additional value from their side. Who knows, you may just be better off to tell Al to forget the refund, and keep the picture. :) |
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Looks like Al’s giving him a refund and the photo. :eek: |
Kudos to LOTG - and a nice find by Andrew A.
I am also glad to see that the bomb I lobbed at this photo wasn't erroneous. :) Google tells me that Chance and Oldfield were good friends, with Oldfield even being a pallbearer at Chance's funeral. I wasn't able to find the date/location/reason for this photo. |
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Here is a photo of Barney Oldfield from 1920. Looks like that side of his mouth was used exclusively for clamping down on cigars...many of the photos I found of him picture him doing just that.
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Still a damn nice photo, and probably one of the most interesting shots I’ve seen of Oldfield, outside of an automobile.
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Oldfield turned the first 100 mph lap at Indy
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Great research, gang. I'd say that's pretty convincing. Here's a T36 I have of Oldfield. I wonder if he was even more famous than Tinker at the time.
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Al’s answer doesn’t surprise me, that guy has more integrity in his big toe than some of these other AH’s do in their entire body. Just remember stuff like this when you’re considering an AH to consign to.
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How famous was Oldfield?
Walter Johnson would come to be known as "The Big Train," and was so named by Grantland Rice because of his peerless fastball. "Barney" was his other nickname, and that one originated with contemporary auto racer Barney Oldfield, who had reached speeds of 60 miles per hour. Johnson purchased a two-cylinder motor car, his first vehicle. He later told of being stopped for speeding immediately following the purchase, not two blocks from the dealership. Teammates Clyde Milan and Germany Schaefer were along for the ride, and the mischievous Schaefer told the police officer that Johnson was Barney Oldfield in the flesh. When Walter began showing a propensity for striking people out, the nickname "Barney" stuck. Within a year, the battle cry around the league was that when facing Johnson and you saw his arm go up, you swung! (The Washington Senators by Tom Deveaux.)
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Reckon might as well put the postcard in for completeness sake
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