Oh, and there were the cigars that he did put his name all over -

Wagner's stance seems odd now but was not uncommon then - being anti-cigarette but fine with other tobacco's. Cigarette's seem to have born a social stigma that wasn't present for other types. There are many period articles like this, expressing a disapproval for the relatively-new-in-the-US-cigarettes but having no problem with other forms of tobacco.

I did another research dive and can still find no reference in primary literature to Plank and an opinion on tobacco or cigarette use.

Okay I found it from 1908 and it appears that at the time it didn't require permission to use an image for advertising or trade purposes if it was from a picture that was acquired prior to 1905 and the ownership of the picture hadn't been transferred.

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Oh, in practice his cigarette stance due to the amount of child smokers in the early 1900's actually makes sense. I only hold disagreement with the consistent misinformed statement that he was anti-tobacco as it is disingenuous.

I have more faith in the Plank statement as very little physical material exists to verify it, however in the reverse there is more than exists to disprove. Also, to be accepted in the rarified air of Connie Mack's "righteousness" you've got to be anti everything from soup to nuts, lol.

The plot thickens

Lol, I don’t think in my lifetime this one will ever do anything better than be an incredible example of the the phrase “clear as mud”. :D

Without those involved rising up like extras from “The Walking Dead”, the specifics for much will tend to fall in that wonderful “personal opinion” category for eternity.

I feel the last time I caused consternation like this was bringing up how Dr. Max Jacobson ended Mantle’s 61’ season by injecting amphetamines, meth, and steroids accidentally into his hip bone ending the home run race with Maris. At least no one is screaming obscenities at me today, lol.

I gotta say I don’t miss that particular banned ex-board member that had the skill for debate matched only by Khrushchev.