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packs 09-29-2021 03:00 PM

It is a myth that what you paid for a card determines what your sale price is.

Frankish 09-29-2021 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 2149314)
It is a myth that what you paid for a card determines what your sale price is.

I don't know if it's a myth or just requires a lot of patience, but it is funny how it only seems to cut one way. I don't see a lot of people selling their Cy Young cards for what they paid in the mid-70s....

Johnny630 09-29-2021 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 2149314)
It is a myth that what you paid for a card determines what your sale price is.

What someone paid for a card is not relevant to the price their asking now.


It's comical to me when a seller says something like this, I'm into this for this I need to get that. Is it true? Is it not true? Trying a guilt trip ? That story is not relevant in a business decision.

packs 09-29-2021 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankish (Post 2149317)
I don't know if it's a myth or just requires a lot of patience, but it is funny how it only seems to cut one way. I don't see a lot of people selling their Cy Young cards for what they paid in the mid-70s....

It cuts both ways depending on your grasp of reality as the seller. If something falls out of favor you will have to accept less for it.

Kutcher55 09-29-2021 03:41 PM

There is a psychological thing about not wanting to take a loss when you move on from a card. Selling bigger cards in my collection is almost like a mini divorce. I recently sold a '52 Topps Mays and there was a time I would never have considered parting with it, but I began to feel like the card was not as good as the grade it had been given and once I decided to sell it I ended up taking less than maybe I could have, in addition to missing the peak back in Feb/March, but I still did well on the card. Anyway, much like real divorce you can have various regrets but hopefully you're for the most part glad to move on, even if it ends up costing a shitload of dough, as my first and hopefully last real divorce did. If the '52 Topps Mays starts appreciating again I will probably have my regrets. It's only natural.

Ironically, back in the Junk Wax era, I bought a '52 Bowman Mays which ended up having a wrinkle that I didn't see and I ended up selling it and taking a loss and it precipitated my departure from the hobby at the time (as was the fact that I was 18 and in college and outgrew it as it turns out temporarily). Losing $ is tough to take for most folks but they should probably keep that issue to themselves when trying to sell a card. It's not the buyer's problem.

SAllen2556 09-30-2021 06:47 AM

Myth: 1936 Diamond Star cards with blue ink are rarer than the green ink cards, and so if you find one in good condition it is therefore worth more than its green-backed counterpart from 1934. Price guides will confirm this.

NO. The rarest diamond star cards in good condition are the 1934 cards with green backs (1-23). It is nearly impossible to find a true 1934 Diamond Star card in excellent condition or better. If you have a psa 5 or better from 1934, I’ll buy it. Blue-backed 1936 DS in excellent condition are plentiful, and should be cheaper than the ’34 versions, but they're not.

Huysmans 09-30-2021 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Snowman (Post 2149291)
It's definitely possible. My wife couldn't care less which cards I buy or how much I spend on them. She'll even sign for the deliveries and puts them in the safe for me. I left a 33 Goudey Babe Ruth on the counter the other day. She picked it up and said, "this one looks old. Is he good?" :eek:



I'm not sure if you are joking or not, but I would take the over on there being at least 20,000 new collectors who joined the hobby over the past 2 years who have spend at least five figures on cards. And it wouldn't shock me at all if the true number was much higher. Unless you're talking specifically about pre-war collectors only, then the numbers would be a lot lower obviously. But there are a ton of new collectors on the modern side. Hell, I'd wager good money that there are at least 1,000 new collectors who have spent 5 figures on cards since the pandemic who aren't even old enough to drive a car yet.

New INVESTORS and FLIPPERS... yes, actual "collectors", no, I don't believe it for a second.

parkplace33 09-30-2021 10:04 AM

I have one more.

1967 Topps high numbers are really difficult.

ullmandds 09-30-2021 10:07 AM

PSA is the best TPG'er.

steve B 09-30-2021 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 2149323)
It cuts both ways depending on your grasp of reality as the seller. If something falls out of favor you will have to accept less for it.

It would have to fall WAY out of favor to drop to mid 70's prices...

Eric72 09-30-2021 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Huysmans (Post 2149545)
New INVESTORS and FLIPPERS... yes, actual "collectors", no, I don't believe it for a second.

They ARE collectors...

Fred 09-30-2021 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron Seefeldt (Post 2149299)
- That autographed vintage cards are authentic if/when slabbed by PSA

What are you saying? :eek:

You can probably substitute PSA with a well known sports signature authenticator whose initials include an S and a J, as well as a few other TPGs and so-called autograph experts.

effe 09-30-2021 11:53 AM

"Set break" actually means what the name implies.

Bigdaddy 09-30-2021 12:30 PM

When used in a sales listing, the term 'complete set' means that the set is actually complete.

FourStrikes 09-30-2021 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 2149148)
I agree. When someone quotes vcp I tell them to buy it there.
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100% truth! waaaay back in the 1980's when I was simply an a**hole teen (fast forward to NOW - I'm no longer a teen but still have a**hole tendencies), my personal retort to a potential seller who said..."but it books for..." my answer was always "...then just sell it to the f***ing book!..."

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Aquarian Sports Cards 09-30-2021 02:18 PM

The ink in 1933 Goudeys "Bleeds Through" the card.

mrreality68 09-30-2021 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigdaddy (Post 2149598)
When used in a sales listing, the term 'complete set' means that the set is actually complete.

Set Breakers on ebay
Are they or are they not?

lentel 09-30-2021 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sycks22 (Post 2149064)
Harold Baines is in the Hall of Fame. Wait.....

lol

Exhibitman 09-30-2021 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sycks22 (Post 2149064)
Harold Baines is in the Hall of Fame. Wait.....

As a quick shorthand I like 7 year peak WAR as a comparative tool because it discounts the cumulation effects of a long career and also removes the penalty for a player who probably stayed around a few years past his expiration date.

Babe Ruth: 85.3 7yr-peak WAR

Barry Bonds: 72.7 7yr-peak WAR

Mike Trout: 65.1 7yr-peak WAR

Mickey Mantle: 64.7 7yr-peak WAR

Don Mattingly: 35.7 7yr-peak WAR

Rusty Staub: 33.3 7yr-peak WAR

Rabbit Maranville : 30.5 7yr-peak WAR

Harold Baines: 21.7 7yr-peak WAR


https://66.media.tumblr.com/3d5bc995...lrco2_400.gifv

Rhotchkiss 09-30-2021 06:18 PM

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PSA’s motto: “Never get cheated”

Of course, unless, you are duped into buying PSA authenticated HOF reprints of 1914 cracker Jacks and/or t206s

GasHouseGang 09-30-2021 06:23 PM

I guess you could sum up the myth as:
"Buying a graded card insures the card is authentic"

egri 09-30-2021 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sycks22 (Post 2149064)
Harold Baines is in the Hall of Fame. Wait.....

When I first saw the news that him and Lee Smith had been voted in, I had to double check the website URL to make sure I wasn’t on The Onion.

Carter08 09-30-2021 08:21 PM

Prices are softening seems to be a myth.

egbeachley 09-30-2021 09:04 PM

You are less likely to buy an altered card if it is graded by PSA instead of raw.

Michael B 09-30-2021 10:36 PM

It's a limited edition so it must be valuable.

SteveS 09-30-2021 10:46 PM

No major card company would ever release an error card on purpose in order to drum up interest in their set.

Yastrzemski Sports 09-30-2021 11:54 PM

One of Billy Ripken's teammates wrote on his bat knob.

Pack The Ripper 10-01-2021 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric72 (Post 2149075)
The 1952 Topps Mantle is his (ahem) ROOKIE CARD!!!!!!!

TRIGGERED!!!!! I need a cigarette!

~~~(___________(____()

rats60 10-01-2021 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Fred (Post 2149586)
What are you saying? :eek:

You can probably substitute PSA with a well known sports signature authenticator whose initials include an S and a J, as well as a few other TPGs and so-called autograph experts.

There are obvious forgeries in TPG holders. People need to look at the card not just the holder.

rats60 10-01-2021 06:05 AM

The 1952 Topps Mantle is a "grail" card, not just a normal double print that you can buy in almost any auction

Exhibitman 10-01-2021 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by rats60 (Post 2149779)
The 1952 Topps Mantle is a "grail" card, not just a normal double print that you can buy in almost any auction

"Yes, the 1952 Topps, the rookie card and greatest card ever made."

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...0guy%20yaz.jpg

frankbmd 10-01-2021 07:46 AM

An Auction House Rarity
 
1987 Bo Jackson RCs

T206Cards 10-01-2021 09:35 AM

1952 Was the first year Topps made baseball cards...
 
1952 Was the first year Topps made baseball cards...

Bridwell 10-01-2021 02:05 PM

Myths
 
A player's "Rookie Card" is his 1st card in a major national set.

Buying a professionally graded card guarantees you and protects you that the card has not been altered or trimmed.

If you have a problem with an item won from a major auction house, you can complain and will get a refund.

You always come out ahead by investing in the major stars, like Cobb, Ruth and Gehrig.

Grading company counts of T206's with rare backs are accurate population figures.

Dealers who have been in the hobby for a long time are trustworthy because of their experience.

Orioles1954 10-01-2021 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss (Post 2149696)
PSA’s motto: “Never get cheated”

Of course, unless, you are duped into buying PSA authenticated HOF reprints of 1914 cracker Jacks and/or t206s

Don’t forget Tattoo Orbits. PSA for years has let many dozen Dover reprint Orbits get graded.

Orioles1954 10-01-2021 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by egri (Post 2149721)
When I first saw the news that him and Lee Smith has been voted in, I had to double check the website URL to make sure I wasn’t on The Onion.

Bruce Sutter, Jack Morris, Alan Trammell and Larry Walker say hello.

darwinbulldog 10-01-2021 02:33 PM

Lies, damned lies, and Novelty Cutlery postcard dates.

JollyElm 10-01-2021 03:27 PM

Looking only at the BIN prices that (unsold) cards are listed for on eBay tells you what your cards are actually worth.

SteveS 10-01-2021 03:35 PM

When it comes to the T206 Wagner, if you happen to come across one that allegedly came from a strip or sheet and someone allegedly did a poor job of cutting it and you trim it just to make it look nicer and present it to a TPG who in their first-ever slab give it a high grade despite knowing that it was trimmed and a couple of famous people in the sports world buy it despite allegedly knowing that it has issues and everybody involved presents it to the public as the find of the century and after the fraud is discovered the card goes up in value and the TPG ends up as the most trusted entity in the hobby, that kind of thing could never happen.

Eric72 10-01-2021 11:31 PM

This yellow/blue/green starburst
ultra sparkle terra-fractor
road jersey parallel
backwards cap variation
super duper extra ludicrous short print
rookie patch auto
numbered to 3.142857

is a good INVESTMENT

Snowman 10-02-2021 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by rats60 (Post 2149779)
The 1952 Topps Mantle is a "grail" card, not just a normal double print that you can buy in almost any auction

Thems is fightin' words!

Piquettethecat 10-02-2021 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by samosa4u (Post 2149094)
In Canada, it's this:

O-Pee-Chee cards were cut with WIRES!

This 100%. Cut with dull blades it turns out.

Piquettethecat 10-02-2021 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Orioles1954 (Post 2149896)
Bruce Sutter, Jack Morris, Alan Trammell and Larry Walker say hello.

Come on Old Timer. Trammell is one of the best shortstops of all-time, and Walker's all-around numbers are ridiculous. The others, well, let's say I agree.

mrreality68 10-02-2021 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric72 (Post 2150044)
This yellow/blue/green starburst
ultra sparkle terra-fractor
road jersey parallel
backwards cap variation
super duper extra ludicrous short print
rookie patch auto
numbered to 3.142857

is a good INVESTMENT

Eric do not confuse was with The number to pie but if you are going to then right it out in its entirety

Yoda 10-02-2021 10:08 AM

Would be near mint if not for missing piece of card. Fabulous opportunity!

bnorth 10-02-2021 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 2150108)
Would be near mint if not for missing piece of card. Fabulous opportunity!

That's not a myth, PSA calls that a qualifier instead of accurately grading a card.:eek::D

Exhibitman 10-02-2021 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Piquettethecat (Post 2150091)
Come on Old Timer. Trammell is one of the best shortstops of all-time, and Walker's all-around numbers are ridiculous. The others, well, let's say I agree.

Trammell (70.7 WAR; 44.8 peak 7 year WAR, good for 4th all-time among SS); Harold Baines (38.7 WAR; 21.7 peak 7 year WAR, 74th among right fielders).

Eric72 10-02-2021 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mrreality68 (Post 2150100)
Eric do not confuse was with The number to pie but if you are going to then right it out in its entirety

It’s 3 and one-seventh.
Pi is a slightly different number

egri 10-02-2021 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mrreality68 (Post 2150100)
Eric do not confuse was with The number to pie but if you are going to then right it out in its entirety

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Originally Posted by Eric72 (Post 2150235)
It’s 3 and one-seventh.
Pi is a slightly different number

There was a mathematician, Ludolph van Ceulen, who spent most of his life calculating Pi to 35 digits. When he died, he had it engraved on his tombstone.

egri 10-02-2021 08:24 PM

All this talk of pie is making me hungry.


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