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Here is some very interesting "Ruthiana" that I hope doesn't get lost in this thread. Everyone just assumes Babe Ruth didn't pitch again after his fire sale to the Yankees. Not true, and here is proof.
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Wow, do you know who is batting in that middle pic?
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the 1933 game was a complete, 9 inning game, last game of the season. The Yankees won 6 - 5 over the Red Sox. I don't know who the batters in the photos are. In that 1933 game, Ruth also homered. The bottom photo is from 1930, also last game of the season, and also a complete, 9 inning pitching performance against the Red Sox, Yankees winning 9 - 3. Ruth pitched 4 other games while he was with the Yankees.
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I bet there weren't even 1 million balls made for the entire MLB during Babe Ruth's playing days lol.
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Imagine signing a million baseballs, yet not one of the recipients thought to ask for a certificate of authenticity.
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According to "The Baseball: Stunts, Scandals, and Secrets Beneath the Stitches" by Zack Hample (2011), and discussed on the New York Daily News on June 15, 2010, approximately 250,000 Reach and Spalding Official American and National League baseballs were manufactured in 1930, and another 450,000 McGregor 97 various minor league official balls were made. Reach and Spalding made 350,000 in 1940. Approximately 200 official balls were used by MLB per day in 1930, 280 in 1940. Many other less official balls were used for batting practice. Per the Commissioner's Office, today 1.26 million official Rawlings balls are manufactured per year, with 900,000 used per year by MLB, 30,000 allocated to each team. 200 official balls are used per game, batting practice, foul balls and in-game combined.
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“Approximately 200 official balls were used by MLB per day in 1930, 280 in 1940.”
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And, finally, I am done with this BS and moving on. Whatever. LOL. I don't care how many baseballs Babe Ruth signed. I have one, and that is all I care about.
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Regardless of the number of balls and other items Ruth Signed. There are alot out there over approx 30 year period.
There are high end high quality signatures to those faded. Solo signed to multi signed balls and pictures etc What is important there is always many on ebay, auctions etc so any one that wants one can get one at a variety of price points. Any one is also a proud addition to any collection. The important thing is to enjoy the History and Legend of Ruth and others thru our collections |
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Unfortunately there are many more Ruth signed balls than he signed.
Random W626 Ruth that was never produced (one not seen so far). . |
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Howzabout those signed 1933 Goudeys out there? Anyone got a count on those?
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But it is costly and 1. need to do it strategically 2. other parts of my collection I am working on 3. timing on what and when things becomes available. |
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Babe stylin' big time in the park. Last time I saw a guy wearing a hat like that I was in Jamaica. Boots are pretty slick too.
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Amazing photo! Looks thin there.
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His own cap, no less.
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I read an interesting article that non-scarcity in some instances can help drive value to a certain extent. 1933 Goudey was the focus. A lot of the HOFers are fairly plentiful and the availability draws more people in to giving it a go. I got suckered in by that I admit. Obviously a fine balance because scarcity will still create high prices (see eg T206 Wagner) and overproduction will create low prices (see eg a Mike Piazza rookie).
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When somebody is the very best at something, he or she is referred to as "The Babe Ruth of Such-and-Such."
Wayne Gretzky was "The Babe Ruth of Hockey." Arnold Palmer was "The Babe Ruth of Golf" (and later Jack and Tiger). Not only did they excel in their sport, but they transcended it and brought it to a whole new level and popularity. Babe Ruth transcended all of them. His home runs and personality were what the country needed during a crippling Depression. The fact that he died relatively young also increased his legendary status (as it has a tendency to do with celebrities). But because of his popularity, a lot of stuff was produced. There's no item that has the rarity or iconic status as does the T206 Wagner or '52 Mantle (which really aren't that rare). So while Babe items are absolutely expensive and command a premium, they are probably not as expensive as they could be based on his larger-than-life status. A Mike Trout card should never sell for more than a Babe Ruth card, regardless if it's a 1/1 or anything else. People are starting to realize that, and the days of relatively affordable Ruth items are winding down. |
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Folks, you just can't explain away or revise or re-write history, or say something is exaggerated, just because you don't like it or disagree or think things have evolved into something you think just has to be better or whatever. Some things just are what they are. Accept it. Deal with it. Ruth was and is bigger than life, even now decades after his death. This photo shows him signing a huge pile of baseballs. Name another ballplayer or athlete or anyone for that matter in a setting that even approaches this. He did this on a daily basis, even on playing days after eating 26 hot dogs washed down with 2 pitchers of beer, for 28 years. He took pleasure in doing it. The people (plural) who knew him say it is so - his wife, his daughters, his inner circle of friends. His manager (agent) Christy Walsh not only said it was so, he also said Ruth hired (for pay) an army of people to mail out the colossal number of signed baseballs (and all the other stuff) back to the fans who either sent things to be signed or just asked for an autograph. He didn't ask for compensation for doing it. Accept it, deal with it. He did everything he did in life far beyond what anyone else did, or even could do, because he was Babe Ruth.
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Babe Ruth was bigger than life during the 1930's. He dominated sports headlines across the country. Because of that he appeared on many items. Some items were produced in the millions, and others in much smaller numbers. I picked up this item and figure it's probably fairly rare, but not very valuable. It has Babe Ruth and Tom Mix together on a card. The rest of the set are supposed to help you work on your eyesight. I'm guessing it came out in the 1930's.
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Snowman, yes, there are arguments to be made for the investment value of current players, but the oldies are probably a safer investment. Mike Trout looked like the greatest thing since sliced bread, but he's missed so many games with an injury that may be much more serious than they're letting on, and he's been eclipsed by his own teammate. And that teammate, Shohei Ohtani, who looks like the greatest thing since Mike Trout, has a sore arm again that if the pattern continues may put an end to his two-way days. If I had spent thousands (or millions) on a Trout or Ohtani card, I would be a bit nervous about my investment. But Babe Ruth is always going to be Babe Ruth. We know his career and legend, and his card values aren't based on speculation about his potential or projecting his trajectory. It's sort of like blue-chip stocks. You may not get the huge swings either way, but you will make steady gains.
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However, there's also an interesting phenomenon that comes into play where something that is extremely rare can still have remarkably strong demand if it is associated with something else that has high population counts & demand. A prime example of this is, of course, the T206 Wagner card. The reason that card is so valuable isn't just because there are only ~50 of them known to exist (or whatever the number is), but rather because there are ~50 from an otherwise massively produced and widely collected set. Contrast that with something like the 1929 Churchman's Cigarettes Babe Ruth card which is far more rare than many of his more popular and valuable cards (PSA's pop count is only 308), but because it belongs to a set that is otherwise not widely collected or known about, it has very little relative value today. This is probably pointing out the obvious, but it's still a fun exercise in market economics to me. It's the same thing with modern cards and the disparity between say a Prizm Gold basketball parallel card numbered to /10 and some other random gold parallel from a far less popular set. Both cards could be /10s, but it is the association with the widely collected Prizm cards that make the Prizm Gold 100x as valuable as a Gold parallel from some other random set that most people don't care about. |
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some Ruthian eye candy
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Those are indeed eye candy. Excellent photos, sir!
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This thread has gained more traction than the old Saturn V crawler at Cape Canaveral, far more than I ever imagined, with some really cool and rare as all get out Ruthian stuff posted along the way. Thanks!
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