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Jansen for day #5. This one's a black back.

#5
 

I wouldn't mind trying to find a nicer example, but still like this one.

I guess I never really looked at the cards that closely before, but there is definitely a consistent, noticeable difference in the coloring of the pictures between the red back and the black back card.

If I read/understood it correctly, that is the number one reason why Sy Berger changed the first print run to white/red backs as he said the black backs made the fronts of the cards too dark. Some are definitely darker/worse than others but yes, there is a definite difference.

My BB Jansen.

Thanks, Dale. I had not heard that before.

You're welcome. :)

Although this article doesn't specifically say Sy changed the back colors, in another article I read, that I can't currently find, it read that he did.

I also know I read a few articles, likely around 4-5 yrs ago, that read that black backs were more rare/more valuable than red backs but the general consensus with members on this site say that is not true.
I know some black back cards are way tougher than some red backed cards (pop report) so those will command a premium in high grade but I guess that is as far as it goes?

"Existing in both black-back and red-back variations, it’s apparent that the red-back cards consistently offer superior picture quality, leading to speculation that Topps was not happy with their first attempt and resolved to make improvements by increasing the quality while changing the reverse color to red as a sort of “clean slate” approach. The Johnny Sain and Joe Page “wrong back” errors (#48 and #49) exist only in black-back form as they were corrected before the switch to red; only the correct version exists on the red-back variety. All cards after the first series are in red-back form only. High grade specimens of the black-back cards are almost always scarcer then their corresponding red-backs, suggesting that the switch from black to red happened fairly early in the process and considerably fewer black-backs made it into circulation.
https://milehighcardco.com/blog/the-...-is-new-again/

Here's some other great stories about the 52 Topps cards, how they came to be and how they changed the hobby/card collecting forever.
Enjoy. :)

http://www.sportscardradio.com/1952-...intage-review/
https://www.cardboardconnection.com/...seball-cards-2
https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...opps-baseball/
https://www.psacard.com/articles/art...than-meets-eye

From the PSA price guide website (see below), it actually says the red backs sell for a premium, but in the SCD, it says black backs used to sell for a premium but now they are basically the same so who knows what to believe.

Notes about 1952 Topps
First series 1-80 Red Back variations usually sell for approx. 15-20% more than the listed price

Definitely need to work on my '52 game. I've been watching this thread and waiting for my number to come up.

Anyway, here's mine. Anyone know why he's holding up 7 fingers? I see on the back it says he has 7 kids...

https://i.imgur.com/2SMMlkkm.jpg

one more than Jordan...

I can't help but think that is a typo where they meant to type/write black instead?
With little, or next to nothing, written about print runs, it's highly unlikely we'll ever know what the black to red back printing ratio ever was? Like what I wrote above, I think, once upon a time, that black backs were slightly more expensive/viewed as more rare, but through the years, as more info likely came forward, that is no longer the case? :confused:

I read that he had just had his seventh child when the picture was taken.

Supposedly Jansen's arm was shot in his mid 30s after a few great seasons (over a five year period), but I'm wondering if his legs gave out instead w/ all those reproductive bedroom appearances

Beautiful example!

1952 Topps -- #6
 

Here is my copy.

Grady.

My red back Hatton. On the list to upgrade to a better centered copy.

If I average my 2 out, they would be almost perfectly centered, at least on the fronts.

Saving scan time by posting a black back and a red front of Grady Edgebert Hatton, Jr., as I'm sure his mother called him.

Anyone have any 52 wrappers? Thought I'd add mine in now with Wayne as I'm not sure where it would actually fit in with this thread?

52
 

No wrapper here.

1952
 

Here you go. Irv


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...wrapper100.jpg



And, a 1952 BOWMAN FootBall wrapper of the LARGE cards.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...perLarge25.jpg



TED Z

T206 Reference
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On the subject of Wrappers, I noticed this came up in a prior thread, is there a reliable way to purchase them? I've heard that people make counterfeit wrappers as well, so I would love to purchase a legitimate one. I'd assume one of the big companies slabs them.

Here is my RB Terwilliger and wrapper artwork I recreated to have something to store with my set. I'll eventually get the real thing but this will have to do for now.

Nice wrappers, Ted, especially that 52! :)

I know this has been brought up before, and just recently, but I honestly don't know anything other than to tell you to make sure you purchase from a reliable source.

Nice!

No wrappers for me, either.

Two Twigs: red back and black front.

1952 topps
 

Which one is the RED back and which is the BLACK back ? ?


https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...igerBlkRed.jpg


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Black left, red right.

One of the oldest major leaguers still alive.

https://i.imgur.com/aQMUvznl.jpg

I agree.

1952 topps
 

Otis and Jay
You guys are the smart ones. I'd bet anyone, that you guys could go thru the entire 1st Series cards (80 pairs),
and tell us which colors the backs are printed with, without flipping over the cards.




. . . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...gerBlkRedB.jpg



TED Z

T206 Reference
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https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...IpDh8Gkmb-mlFI https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...PhgZtcEiplro1N

I'll start the day with the first Marsh cards.

Marsh
 

My copy.

And my Fred Marsh.

#9
 

Would love to upgrade my Hogue if someone has a copy in better shape available. :)

2-for-1 today since I'm playing catch-up, having missed #8 yesterday. So here are Marsh (red) and Hogue (black).

Here's mine.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

Here are my 2. Both Black backs. The second one I purchased had top corner pulls which I didn't see when I purchased it. :o

Is this from a display for the 1952 Topps cards or something else? Are there other cards with backs like this one?

I'll answer for, Al, since I'm here, and tell you this is a salesman copy, which, of course, is/are fairly rare.
https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...a/7165-50832.s

Thanks. I had not seen them before, but I haven't been looking for any 52 Topps cards for quite a while. Any idea how many different cards there are that were issued as a salesman copy?

I have a 3 card, consecutively numbered, but cut panel I can post when we get to those cards. I think Anthony may have an uncut panel that I can ask him to post. I try for a Salesman Sample and unopened pack for each set. I think the Salesman Samples for Topps run 52-67

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You're a day early with Phil. Don't forget about Mr. Rosen.