Me: (Opens saloon doors to view thread)

Commenters in the thread: "You dipshit!" "Bullshit!" "Shut up with your crap!" followed by general brawl, everyone throwing bottles at each other, one guy getting thrown over bar countertop, smashing into mirror on the wall.

Me: (Gently and carefully closes doors on thread, turns around and walks away at brisk pace).

I’m pretty sure this isn’t how it works.

This isn’t BS hype put out by the media
 

Just when I thought we couldn’t get any dumber. Fools posting that this is all the media’s fault like countries and businesses are sacrificing all this money on a hoax or to get trump. This ignorance is laughable and as someone with a compromised immune system so I am at risk to those taking my health lightly screw you!

The card doctors should show up to the shows with the bleach that they use to whiten their cards. It already seems like it’s a line the third-party graders let them cross. Use it for something good like wiping down surfaces.

"Its like trying to fight air" I believe that was from the NY mayor


No, just wash you hands! A tough concept for the hobbyists I know

It's a pretty far ways away but I am concerned about the impact on the National. I am confident that with the measures everyone seems to be taking we will have this thing well under control by the time of the show. But, since people book travel and make travel plans months in advance, I am concerned that attendance will be low regardless of how COVID-19 is contained by the end of July.

I wasn't going to the National anyway (see Adam's great response to not going to AC). That said, we can only hope this will be over by then. I am in the camp of it not being the major plague that many are estimating. I think it is a new virus that probably comes back year after year, just like influenza, but with lower sickness totals. There could be mutants of it but that is also common for these types of viruses, from what is being said. I think it's good to take all precautions and do what we can to prevent the spreading of it but paranoia isn't going to help.

Nice subtle reference :) Very good.

In the first 15-20 minutes of this hobby podcast, there is a mention of the cancellation of the local show where Shep sets up regularly. I'm sure there will be more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur5Qc-CPHzU

Regards
Rich

Autograph guests and dealers are cancelling going to the big Chicago show this weekend. If it doesn't get cancelled it certainly is being impacted. There are 25 Corona Virus cases in the Chicago area as of yesterday.

Was anything cancelled in 2009 ?????

H1N1(swine flu) was first detected in April 2009 in a 10-year-old girl in California. It was declared a global pandemic in June 2009 by the World Health Organization (WHO) and was finally over in August 2010.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that swine flu infected nearly 61 million people in the United States and caused 12,469 deaths. Worldwide, up to 575,400 people died from pandemic swine flu.

H1N1 affected the young and the healthy. Covid-19 affects the old and unhealthy but with way less of a mortality rate.

Media coverage/panic back then compared with today,,,,,,, huge difference.

The only auto signer I had in mind, George Gervin, has officially cancelled. I did get a pretty sweet rookie of his two days ago. I will hopefully catch him down the road. Still hoping to use JSA service tomorrow. At this point it’s out of the promoters hands I’m guessing. Yesterday was a watershed moment for municipalities large and small.

I plan on going tomorrow, as of now I haven't heard of them cancelling. a few friends are setting up.

Better safe than sorry to cancel large gatherings to stop the spread. it's not political.

well played
 

These people are simply running out of road. Things will pass. A vaccine will be created. The market will bounce back. Card collecting will be great again.

This is not political.

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I have an auction letter from JSA, so I will show up tomorrow at a minimum. I feel the Village needs to make a call one way or the other.

You really think the Village is going to cancel anything at the convention center if they have the final say? Alot of money to be lost.

Rosemont has gone to great lengths in the past decade to market itself as a safe and secure environment for workspace, night life and lodging. What I’m saying is that the promoters and the DESCC have made it clear they will move ahead and open doors. The only thing that could stop it is government intervention at the county or local level.

The SEC just canceled their College Basketball Tournament. If this threat continues everything of large scale participation will be shut down shortly. Right now it doesn't look to good.

The NBA has suspended games. MLB is suspending operations and delaying the start of the season. NCAA conference tournaments are cancelled and the NCAA Tournament is in question. Let's all go to a baseball card show in a city with the Corona Virus.

There already is two strains, the L and S strain.

Received an email this morning from the promoters stating the Rosemont show is ON. I am also setting up Sunday at Gonzaga Hall in Milwaukee and that show is ON. Just two cases reported in Wisconsin.

As of 4 o'clock today the show in Rosemont has 21 guys that have cancelled signing autographs. That is out of about 70 guys maybe that were scheduled. And it keeps growing. Yesterday there was 2. There was 9 early this morning that cancelled and now 21

Governor J.B. Pritzker scheduled press conference @5pm CDT. https://news.wsiu.org/post/3-12-20-g...id-19#stream/0

Here in Ohio, schools are now closed for the next 3 weeks starting on Monday (why it's ok to go to school tomorrow is beyond me).

NCAA Tournament just cancelled.

All NCAA spring sports cancelled.

NBA, NHL, MLB suspended.


I'm in the camp that doesn't believe this is the black plague. I think the overreaction is ridiculous, and question the origins of the virus as well as the underlying reasons for the mass hysteria (looking at you, media). There are way too many inconsistencies and questions that don't add up to me and many others. With that being said, this is unbelievable. What a time to be alive...

Has The Strongsville Show Been Cancelled Yet ?

I spoke too soon on the Gonzaga Hall show in Milwaukee, it is now cancelled. My son's high school in suburban Chicago is cancelled until April 6.

Gatherings of 1,000 or more are now banned in Illinois.

I hope people focus on the reality that diagnosed cases are a fraction of the actual carriers of the virus.

1. Healthcare protocol does not test enough potential cases. Official "case" numbers aren't a true reflection of the impact to public risk.
2. Not everyone shows symptoms. Unknowingly hosts to the virus.

I don't believe an announcement has been made, but I'd imagine it will be because gatherings of 100+ have been banned in OH. Meanwhile, exclusions to the ban include airports, churches, etc. Go figure...

Just talked to a dealer friend of mine who is driving back from the Chicago show. It’s canceled.

Randy Cook, who would have been setting up, just posted on FB the Chicago show has been cancelled.

Regards
Rich

Here's the story on Sports Collectors Daily:

Chicago cancelled.

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...BvvmPytRJiQOOU


Steve

Also, Al C of LOTG just posted on Facebook announcing he has cancelled the remainder of his buying trip.

Steve

When the Spanish Flu arrived the first thing people noticed was that it seemed to spare children and young people. Then the virus muted and killed many millions of children and young people. Shit happens.

This is a new disease we don't have a vaccine for.

Why is it so hard from some people to just heed a warning and listen to what people who know far more about it than you ever will are saying.

Because we live in a world where for some reason people with no expertise think their opinions are just as valid as facts.

Yep. That would be the reason. Be suspicious of informed intelligent folks. Believe hucksters and uninformed loudmouths.

Columbus sportscard show cancelled for this weekend, too! Looks like for the next few weeks or so many shows will be cancelled!

Canton Card Show cancelled as well on the 22nd.

Canton is where 2 of the 5 announced cases in Ohio are.

Portland
 

Portland, Oregon monthly card show is cancelled. The promoter said this is the first cancellation for him of any kind on 33 years.

The mayor of Portland declared a state of emergency. Presumably to get funding for ways to protect from worse spreading of the virus.

So the impact is pretty much everywhere now.
No way to tell yet if it is an over reaction or a sound strategy to keep more people healthy.
The flu sux, I guess this virus does too.

I firmly believe in a couple months we look back and say "We were worried about that??" Much like when the planes were supposed to drop out of the sky in Y2K.

However, I also believe that avoidance and common sense and even some overly cautious protections can and will slow this down and help greatly. Someone posted earlier about the amount of deaths from swine flu; that didn't wipe out the world, but how many of those deaths and illnesses might have been avoided if we hunkered down like we are now?

This graph makes a lot of sense to someone of my limited medical knowledge.

Ken

This Saturday's Sacramento card show was cancelled yesterday.

You don’t say...

People are preparing and thinking like this is going to be equivalent to a three day blizzard. They are mistaken. This is the equivalent to a long winter. We are speaking months; not days or weeks. Educate yourself and Godspeed my friends.

Who says I'm not listening to people who know? Most, like I mentioned, get their facts from the media, which is causing this panic. Many doctor's believe this is much ado about nothing but you don't hear or see them on the news do you?
How come that is so hard for you to understand??

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ng_people.html
https://cnsnews.com/article/internat...s-61000-deaths

I also know a couple nurses. Here is one's response to a question I asked her what they have done in preparation for this.


All we have done at work as of today is put a few posters up asking generic questions like "have you traveled to an area known to have the virus". That is it.

Every year we do the same prep for this type of illness and its second nature. N95 mask fitting, education on isolation for airborne and droplet precautions etc....

Do I believe the media is blowing it WAY out of proportion? YES

I have seen many different types of virus's, respiratory illness, bacterial illness's and their effects on the body.
I've seen what true influenza can do.
The chance of influenza itself killing you is extremely very low if you are healthy.
BUT if you have pre-existing conditions and you get influenza (and lots of people think the stomach bug is influenza) the morbidity rate just go up up and up.
I'm not 100% sold on the "flu shot" either. I personally haven't got it in 4-5 years. I also don't push it on people at work or out of work.

And some more info:

While at least 60 cases of Covid-19 have been confirmed in the US, no one has died of it here, while this year's influenza has infected at least 29 million in the US and killed about 16,000 so far.
Covid-19 is spreading easily and sustainably in the Hubei province and other parts of China, and has been confirmed in more than two dozen other countries. While the global death toll has so far topped 2,700, it's good to remember that more than 80% of the Covid-19 cases have been mild, requiring little to no medical intervention, and it is much less deadly than severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS), which are also coronaviruses.
Here is the best advice I can give you, to avoid any virus and flu: Be intentionally hygienic in public and during interactions with others. Hand hygiene is a cornerstone of infection prevention. Effective hand hygiene requires appropriate duration and thoroughness, which should be a goal each time our hands are cleaned.


Did you not read any of those articles I posted? People in Wuhan China are returning to work and school because the cases are subsiding along with the deaths.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51813876
http://voyapal.com/wp-content/upload...oronaVirus.pdf

Does this really sound like it's something we should all be panicked over?

Nearly 70,000 people have recovered from coronavirus
Amid concerns over the coronavirus outbreak in the U.S., it’s important to remember most who become infected recover from the illness.

https://thehill.com/changing-america...recovered-from

If you don't believe this panic is media driven, then I don't know what to tell you? If you want to keep living in fear, be my guest, but I'm going to carry on like I've always done and enjoy life instead of getting caught up in this fear mongering B.S.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-dre...-the-contagion
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...ears-1.5490534
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saska...ewan-1.5488688
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...379-2/fulltext

My biggest pet peeve with this whole thing, which discredits the warnings, is the inconsistencies with the response. For Ohio...

School is ok to attend tomorrow, but not for the next 3 weeks starting Monday/Tuesday. Meanwhile, with parents still at work, kids are going to be congregating with babysitters in large groups, or hanging out at the mall with friends from their school district and other school districts. Seems counterproductive.

Crowds of 100+ are not ok, but airports, grocery stores, office buildings, etc., remain functional. Not to mention 100+ in Ohio isn't ok but you can have up to 500 people together in NYC, 250 people in both Seattle and San Francisco, and so on.

Sporting events are not ok, even when no fans are in attendance, but regular civilians need to still go to work.

We want solutions, but places like the Cleveland Clinic have to wait for approval from the CDC (government), which delays those solutions.

Why are there inconsistencies? Is this not as bad as the media is making it out to be? Is it as serious as it's being made out to be and our decision makers just suck? There is such a thing as overreaction, and I don't believe it to be wrong to question what's going on. Standard precautions (washing hands, not going out when sick, etc.) and common sense prevail 9 times out of 10, minimum.

It just makes me shake my head!! :(


https://www.facebook.com/ParmaraClan...6649515152352/

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/stat...68674%3Fs%3D21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc-T7cGVVnA

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/06/busin...per/index.html

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...angley-costco/

Of course. Comparing something present day to a flu from 100 years ago makes much more sense (one that only became disastrous because of hygiene, malnourishment, and medical camp/hospital issues that were much, much worse back then, no less).

As does creating a huge dent in the economy, especially for small businesses and struggling blue-collar workers. Over just the fear of much worse lethal mutations that, given how the situation in China is starting to subside already, might be just a remote possibility

Mostly, it’s this. This thing caught the entire world by surprise and no one was prepared. On top of that, The US dragged their feet in responding and is now behind the ball, scrambling and basically making up solutions as we go. The measures seem drastic, because they are, but it’s better to do too much at this point than risk not doing enough.

The inconsistencies come from no one entity taking the reigns. Some of this is based on political posturing in an election year, some is due to denial and some is due to being caught with our pants down and slow to react. Now with no one agency at the helm, states are taking it upon themselves to do what they think is best and 50 governors are going to have 50 different ideas of what that is.