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I would think that Cap Anson belongs on any sort of list for a few reasons:
1) he played an integral role in establishing the color-line (and then enforcing it) back in the 1880's and 2) he was a tool of management and was disliked by his teammates (he was kind of a player-manager) and made their lives difficult; 3) he backed the owners not his fellow players in the 1889-91 player's league rebellion period; and 4) as much as any other great player he was a really arrogant guy who was known to complain or "kick" (hence,"Baby Anson") ceaselessly. --- I'm not sure I can hate him (except for #1 above)... His career ended in the 1890's. .....Ryan Braun I dislike . |
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Saying Manny was bad on defense it pretty odd, he led the league in outfield assists twice. And led the league in fielding percentage while playing left at Fenway which has made some good fielders look foolish.
And... No Bucky Dent? Or Mike Torrez (A Yankee saboteur) Or Don Zimmer? Ok, not as a player, but as a manager who wouldn't take pitcers out until they'd given up 6-7 runs.. |
Disagree there. The Brewer first baseman didn't even have the fundamentals of the game down when he placed his entire foot on first base while awaiting the throw. The commentators had a big to-do about nothing when Manny unintentionally stepped on his heel while crossing first base. I say it was unintentional because Machado had two previous knee surgeries and wouldn't have risked injuring himself by stepping on the guy's heel like that. It's actually a higher risk to the batter running full-speed through the bag because stepping on something other than the base can send a batter sprawling.
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Quite true! Cobb was NOT a racist. Cobb was known for his willingness to barnstorm against Negro League competition at a time when true racists like John McGraw refused to do so. Here's a telling quote from Ty Cobb: "The black man has just as much of a right to play major league baseball as the white man."
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Manny was a decent fielder. Started out as a rf with the Indians, than moved to lf with the Red Sox. |
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Personally don’t really care for Willie Mays. Even though a great ball player I wouldn’t take or purchase a card or collectible related to Mays I guess I would t mind “looking” and enjoying someone else’s collection of him, but I have to separate the ballplayer from the personality.
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(1) Cobb - should be removed due to misinformation
(2) I actually agree with many on your(?) list although I’d like fewer 1980s-90s players to be replaced with ones that pre-date that era or for a few who are still playing today (Bryce Harper?) (3) Lastings - Never heard of him (4) Two players who have “f’ing” for a middle name should be on the list: Bucky F’ing Dent and Aaron F’ing Boone (from a Red Sox fan perspective) (5) Cap Anson from a historical perspective due to his involvement with keeping black players out of the game (6) as a young Astros fan of the mid ‘80s, I hated the entire New York Mets team of 1986. Wally Backman, Lenny Dykstra, Mookie Wilson, etc. I think Dykstra could/should make the list. Despite everyone’s digs, I appreciate the attempt. This video of Albert Belle gets me every time. I’ll never forget seeing it live on tv: https://youtu.be/VV3fNK31HD4 I love how not even one teammate of Vina sticks up for him. I sure as heck wouldn’t want to stand up to Belle. He was clearly one of the most feared players. Hated, meh. |
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Kids loved Babe Ruth and he loved them. Could care less what ignorant adults think. |
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Suggest you read A Terrible Beauty. An excellent book about Cobb and not that piece of excrement Stump wrote. |
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Other things equal, I would rather date a beautiful, young woman, than an elderly, ugly one. Does that fit your definition of "open discrimination?" If so, then I guess you might be right. |
How about Curt Flood? (At least from an ownership perspective)
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It's just the further 'snowflake-ization' of our country. No matter what the subject is, just call everyone a racist. Pathetic.
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I actually had a long convesation with a Phillies long time producer and he said Dick Allen and Richie Ashburn were not liked, he gave some specific stories but they would likely 'out' him so i have to hold back..i see Allen is on the list already
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Y’all should have witnessed the hate heaped on Cal Ripken Jr. when he said on national television that Adrian Beltre was a better 3B than Brooks Robinson. There has alway been a segment of Baltimore that’s looked at Ripken as too corporate and national.
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Interesting thread......always hear Willie Mays is not a nice person. He's 88, is he still ornery?
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I may be late to the party here but Gary Sheffield should most certainly be on this list. Just ask any Brewers fan who had to live through Sheffield's short time in the Brew City and they would surly agree that all he did was whine about the city, complain the team was racist and reportedly booted ground balls on purpose and tanked his own performance to get a ticket out of town.
Gary Sheffield was never welcomed back to town and to this day, his name is still tainted by Brewers fans who remember this guy. |
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Good Read
This has been a good read. The initial list was interesting, even if people don't agree with specific players on the list. There have been some good suggestions about possible additions and subtractions, and of course, it wouldn't be Net54 without a couple of spats.
Thanks, Paul aka P Diddy G, Soup Can, Leon's Favorite, Cambo, Fluke, Jagr, PG13, Paulie Walnuts |
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A couple that should be on the hated list are Alex Johnson and Alan Wiggins. I believe Alex Johnson had some mental illness issues, even threatened his friend Chico Ruiz with a gun in the clubhouse. Here is some more about his story https://tht.fangraphs.com/cooperstow...-alex-johnson/ To be fair, Eric Show could make this list also with Alan Wiggins. I think there were a lot of race issues on the mid-80's Padres. Show was a John Birch member. Wiggins later in his career would not sign for white fans. |
I have to say that Reggie Jackass was the most miserable person I ever met. What a conceited piece of shit.
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If you had surveyed the players in the early 1970s, Jim Bouton would have been high on their list. But I think most fans liked his books and enjoyed reading the behind the scenes revelations. And I think time softened any hard feelings towards Bouton, with a few notable exceptions (like Steve Barber.)
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Could be some additions coming to this List
from the Astros scandal ... I guess it will take a while to play out and it depends on who is doing the hating - fans, other players, media etc.
Cheating is weird that way. People hate different kinds of cheaters differently and view different kinds of cheating differently over time. We sometimes defend our own "cheaters" (NE Patriots fans??) Looking Back: John McGraw "cheated" but he was considered sharp and brilliant Gaylord Perry and Phil Niekro cheated but they made the HOF... Also people don't really hate them; they were "crafty" and clever pitchers. More recently the PED scandals created a different kind of cheating and hatred: People loved Manny, Big Mac and Sammy, but they don't any more. 550+ homers and no HOF for any of them. Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens are NOT in the HOF either ... a lot of people really really hate them even though they are statistical giants and among the best ever(1). Meanwhile it seems like everyone (except J-LO) hates AROD ... even Yankee fans... We'll see what happens to Altuve -- who everyone loved... but now? What was he hiding under his jersey when he won? The great Carlos Beltran was one his way to manage the Mets and probably Cooperstown. Now does he have to go hang out with Rafael Palmeiro or something? The Astros manager was a genius, and the GM too, but now they banned and unemployed ... so is Cora. And it's not over.... ________________________________ (1) - Larry Walker might get in next week though |
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