I had a long conversation with the boys at Heritage before I bought mine. They gave me piece of mind that what I was buying was as advertised so I trusted them. That was of course when I thought this was a reasonably fair playing field and before the likes of Brent, Gary, fake scans, stealing shipping charges, etc. Unfortunately now I have become far more cautious and have absolutely passed on cards I would have ordinarily went after.

I call dibs on the next type 1..... :)

It's nice to see interest in this thread. Some cards are obvious choices since there have been recent sales that attest to their current value, others may have not been sold in a number of years, so determining their current value is an educated guess.
Jay and Kevin, I think your lists are pretty close.
Jay- I like your idea of using $100K at a benchmark. I could reword the question to ask which cards have or possibly would sell for over $100K in a PSA 1. This might narrow the list.
Corey- I mentioned the Four Base Hits Kelly, but no one has included it on their list. It might be my favorite card.
Let's exclude cdvs, cabinets, and trade cards for this discussion. I think I'll start another thread asking a simialar question for these.

Four Base Hits Kelly is my favorite card. Being a rare 19th century issue, it is a card many people probably do not know much about. But it captures that century's arguably greatest player at the absolute peak of his career in a pose taken from a known photo shoot. It is similar to the Just So Young in that the total population from the entire issue is very few, and any card, common or not, would command a hefty price.

Gary-With that caveat in mind this would be my list:

T206 Wagner
Baltimore News Ruth
Anson in Uniform
Just So Young
Cobb with Cobb back
T206 Doyle NY
Cobb W600
Ruth M101-5 Ad back (blank backs less valuable)
T210 Jackson
Kalamazoo Bats Ewing

The last one was a tough decision, but based on private sales I think it ekes out a spot over the Four Base Hits Kelly.

Corey-It is a great card, but to say that Kelly was the 19th century’s greatest player is crazy. He may have been the most popular, but nowhere near the greatest.

Top 10
 

Baltimore News Ruth -- Blue or Red
Wagner T206
Baltimore News Ruth -- Team Card
W600 Cobb
W600 Wagner Street Clothes
E107 Matthewson
Ruth Hands on Hips Postcard c. 1915
Ruth Pitching Pose Postcard c 1915
Ruth M101 Blank or Advertizing Back
Ruth 1915 Red Sox Team Postcard

Forgot...
 

Anson in uniform would be in my top ten over the 1915 Red Sox Team Postcard.

Ethan-With all due respect, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Just my opinion. Thanks for yours.

It’s really not opinion for the most part; it’s value that has been achieved in the marketplace. As much as you’d like it to be otherwise, your 1915 Ruth team postcard doesn’t come close to making the list.

Can the next top 10 list be Ruth postcards? Or top 10 red back Cobb's?

Well then the data should be out there and we don't need to ask people what they think. I don't have a 1915 Red Sox Team Postcard.

how about top ten fleer billy ripken F$ckface variations?

How about top 10 industry ripoffs?

I forgot about the Baltimore News Ruth team card. Good catch.

https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...ing-babe-ruth/

After REA sold that card, there was a lengthy discussion whether it should be characterized as a card. So, to the extent one characterizes it as a card, I would put it on the list.

Corey-I don’t know what the Baltimore News team card would sell for today, but when it did sell it sold for $52,000. I doubt it makes the list, but who knows.

The reason the Grand Match of Wright was pulled had nothing to do with failure to get an opening bid. In fact, as I recall the card was pulled before the auction even opened. As to its value, the only known copy is graded "A" due to the corners being trimmed. I am fairly confident it would sell for more than several of the cards on your list if valued in PSA 1 condition.

We don't know the precise year the P&S Creighton was issued. Rucker in his book dated it c. 1863. Others believe it came out later. If I had to guess, I would date it to c. 1865, the year the Leslie's woodcut of Creighton was issued. Interest in him then was obviously still strong, and logically one would think the card would be issued when there was still strong interest in the player. Regardless the precise year of issue, the card being the only known player pose of whom to many is the game's first superstar, I believe it belongs on the list assuming cards of that type are eligible.

Jay,

That was in 2007. The Baltimore team photo Lelands recently sold with Ruth went for about 200K. IMO this one would sell for a lot more.

+1

All I know is that team photo must have had some hefty insurance bill.

I guess a T210 SGC or PSA 1 Jackson could out perform a SGC or PSA 1 Ruth c. 1915 Hands on Hips RPPC, or a SGC / PSA 1 Ruth c. 1915 Pitching Pose RPPC, I just think that it is unlikely. Pretty sure that the Hands on Hips is a 1/1 and has never seen an auction.

Not for me, but good luck with those postcards

Lol

Maybe another OJ ?

https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...achery-mgr.jpg

$130k (Spring 2014 REA)

Corey-Sounds like you know more than me about the Wright. Why was it pulled if not for a lack of a bid?

The Creighton is a Peck & Snyder, who are listed on the verso as the publishers. To my knowledge, P&S did not photograph any of the baseball subjects on their trade cards, but instead published the images. So that was why Rucker listed the photographer as unknown.

At the time Mark published his book of CdVs, the c. 1860 Atlantics had not been discovered. The studio for that CdV was Farach & Lalumia in Brooklyn. If one compares the rug in that carte to the rug in the Creighton image, they appear they might be the same. So very possibly Farach & Lalumia was the studio where the Creighton image was taken.

If I found the cards in grandpa's attic, these are the one's I would keep... The rest I would send to an AH that charges 21% vig and free shipping.

T206 Wagner
T206 Plank
T206 Doyle
T210 Jackson
T210 Stengel
14 cj Jackson
14 cj Mathewson
33 Goudey Lajoie
Just So any card
4 base hit any card

Jay - The Peck and Snyder trade card is actually more plentiful in the combined PSA and SGC population reports. Total graded 34 with only 13 being cdvs. I was a little surprised at this.

Yes, but of the 21 that are P&S trade cards, how many are untrimmed? My guess is the (great) majority are trimmed.

Gary-My guess is that some are mislabeled and are CdVs. The trade card is much scarcer than the CdV, especially, as Corey says, untrimmed .

I bet that most of the know Trade Cards are trimmed. To me the ones that date to 1869 are really special. I would love to have one of the early ones with the St Anns address.

A quick search of REA results shows 6 trade cards and 7 cdvs. I would guess the breakdown between cdvs and trade cards is actually quite even.
Untrimmed trade cards are definitely in the minority and should command a premium.
Regardless of the breakdown, I've just never understood why this card, whether trade card or cdv, has never shot up in value. The image depicts, arguably, the most significant team in professional baseball history. It is also relatively rare with maybe 50 in existence, but not so rare to be unobtainable. I would think serious collectors would be competing to own one. It should be one of the hobby's highest demand cards, yet it has seen only modest gains in recent years. Maybe it's because it's a team card, but the strong demand isn't there.

The only untrimmed one with the St Anns address that I am aware of had the ice skate ad on the verso. As I recall it was returned to the NYPL as it was determined to have been stolen.

Is anybody aware of another untrimmed one with the St Anns address?

Corey-Do all the ones with the skate ad have the St Ann's address?

That untrimmed skate ad one with the St Ann address is the only ice skate ad P&S I can picture in my mind at this time. I have vague recollections over the years of seeing a few more, but I can't say for sure. I have no recollection of the addresses on their versos, but inasmuch as they were trimmed it is very possible the addresses were lost to the trimming.

A Texas Tommy Joe Jackson, if you can find one.

Hi Corey - I have these images in my photo library. Obviously the one example is trimmed, but you can still make out the Ann Street address

Thanks for sharing Kevin. The first one I believe was returned to the NYPL. The last one I had forgotten about.

Nice examples. Thanks for sharing.

+1

Just to be clear, those are not my cards - they are just images that I have downloaded from the internet over the years. I hope that the owners do not mind.

I understood that but others may not have. Still great cards wherever they are.

Thanks again