I think this is the crux of it. The way I look at it is this. I know I am not trimming cards and adding colors. I am not turning 4's into 9's. Yes, I agree PSA has a problem with catching certain alterations. But I DO NOT think they were complicit in things the way a few others were. Am I not supposed to ever get cards graded again because of the shenanigans of a few fraudsters? Should I just leave the hobby entirely, because the whole thing is corrupt???

That would be like me not going to my gym because a few members there take steroids. I don't know. I am following all these threads with great interest. I wonder if PWCC would take a fall because of the new allegations?? Or if everything will be "business as usual". I do know the upcoming month or so should be very interesting.

If you sent any, let me know.

Ttt - last call!!!

We are logged in!

Yea!!! Now the wait begins again.

I just got an interesting email about my still using PSA to grade cards. I do not appreciate such belittlement of my opinion to still use them. I know I DO NOT TRIM/RECOLOR cards myself!!! Why should I be made hostage for a few scammers who are attempting to become millionaires due to fraud (Thanks Gary Moser!)?? As much as a select few want to belittle me, PSA cards DO INDEED SELL FOR MORE than their graded counterparts. To try and chastise honest submitters is unbecoming and not warranted.

Pretty sure they’ve already become millionaires, Bobby.

I think what you are doing is very generous and I'm hoping to get in on the next group submission of lesser value cards. It's ridiculous for anyone to be critical of you for helping "little guys" like me who don't have their own PSA accounts to get cards slabbed with the group discount.

I get it, that there is a lot of anger out there right now, but that anger should be properly directed, not vented on people who don't deserve it.

I second this. Of course, these people directing their anger won't understand our position.

Jim

+1 Keep up the good work Bobby. PSA aint goong anywhere, and you can quote me on that

Personally, I think you are doing business with criminals and I don't need a Nasty PM to tell you. Just keeping turning your head the other way...Nothing to see here. Good luck with your submissions. :cool:

Going by your train of though, isn't our own federal government "criminals"??? Maybe everyone should just leave the good ol' USA.

Very good point:D I have to agree with you there. I don't do business with them. Just have to give them 100K per year to live my life, that's all. But those are the only criminals I'm doing business with because I have too.

You on the other hand choose to do business with a known fraudulent entity. That's great for you, to each their own.

What makes them a fraud. I 100% get Moser is complicit. I even get that PWCC is complcit. All PSA has been shown to be is inept at catching alterations. They have also gotten a lot right.

If you don't think these clearly altered fakes are getting through PSA due to PWCC's incestuous relationship, you must be living in Fantasyland IMHO. I hate to burst your bubble but it's right in front of your eyes. All you have to do is just open them a little bit.

We have moved past grading on to assembly.

I think its fine to do business with them, I hope you do this again as I would like to have a few done.

I will...I've got quite a few raw as we speak.

coming soon

What?? No excitement??

"Coming soon" can mean Christmas in my house so I will wait til "Popped" :>]

They popped....waiting on Jeff to help erase the sub numbers....we dont want screwbags messing with the registry like they did in the past.

Rog that, thanks!!

bump

Wowser
 

As an EPDG collector, pretty stoked to see a solid Titus example.....but then there’s a Bird. Wowser!

Hope everyone is happy and rock on Bobby!


1 N4: QUESTIONABLE AUTHENTICITY 1948 Leaf 4 Stan Musial
1 GOOD 2 MC 1952 Topps 152 Al Evans
1 GOOD 2 1909-11 T206 Cycle ‪460 Gabby Street Catching‬
1 GOOD 2 1909-11 T206 Sweet Caporal 150/649OP Clark Griffith Portrait
1 VERY GOOD 3 1909-11 T206 Sweet Caporal 150/25 Fred Clark Pittsburgh, Holding Bat
1 VERY GOOD 3 1954 Wilson Franks Hank Sauer
1 VERY GOOD 3 1954 Bowman 65 Mickey Mantle
1 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1909 E95 Philadelphia Caramel Frank Chance
1 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1909 E95 Philadelphia Caramel Johnny Evers
1 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1910 E96 Philadelphia Caramel Joe Tinker
1 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 ‪1911 T205 Gold Border David Shean Cubs‬
1 EXCELLENT 5 1909-11 T206 Tolstoi Gabby Street Catching
1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1993 SP 279 Derek Jeter Foil
1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1952 Bowman 196 Stan Musial
1 NEAR MINT 7 1993 SP 279 Derek Jeter Foil
1 MINT 9 1980 Topps Scoring Leader Bird,Erving,Johnson
1 FAIR 1.5 1919 T213 Coupon Cigs. Type 3 Roger Bresnahan
1 GOOD+ 2.5 1909-11 T206 El Principe de Gales John Titus
1 GOOD+ 2.5 1958 Topps 62 Jim Brown
1 EXCELLENT+ 5.5 1910 E96 Philadelphia Caramel Mordecai Brown

1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1952 Bowman 196 Stan Musial

Bobby popped this out of a GAI 6 holder for me. Excited that it even got a number grade let alone crossed to a 6. Thanks Bobby!!!!!

Bird/Magic 9. Nice!

Just wondering, did you guys get hit with upcharges?

Surprisingly, no.

Stay tuned..

just curious as I have never sent any off, what was the breakdown of cost ?

Whatever the special is plus a buck a card to cover shipping to and from Cali. Then you are responsible for return shipping back to you. Actual return shipping. I don't gouge like all the other Ebay personalities.