Wit Grand Humility...
 

I Humbly Present, Mr. Hoffman ~ Along wit a Side of Mr. Bender!

Denny, are you sure it's Bender and not Groom?
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This AB 460 Jennings card was a unique T206 when I acquired it years ago. It was graded SGC A. Recently, I have seen one more.

I am displaying the 2 scans here of the same card. A couple of years ago, I cracked it open and submitted it to SGC. This time SGC
graded it an SGC 60. Check out SGC's Pop report, you will see two cards listed for this AB 460 Jennings....a SGC A and a SGC 60.
They are one-in-the-same card.


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TED Z
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WeLL Pat...
Thankz fir CalliN me Out! :)

iN My Haste, I Surly Misspoke ~
Ahhh Howevar, we're Both abit off!

He's actually Mr. Myers...
And I JuST Remembered da Wrong "Chief"

"I Really meant it WHeN i felt humble..." :o

Greetings Ted!,

Yours Looks Like a Re~Do iS iN Order!
Maybe SumDay Aye!?!? ;)

If he did have the Herzog crossed over to PSA it should have received a MC qualifier. PSA assigns a MC to a card that has any part of the name or team
cut off.
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David Hall called me after the REA auction to tell me that he had won the Herzog / UZIT graded, and that PSA graded it a 1/2 point lower than SGC.
As most of us know, David is part owner of the PSA outfit and has all his T206 cards PSA graded.

So, I'm not sure what you are implying ?

It appears as if you are questioning my statement in post #31. If so, I have no further comment.


Post #31

Cobb portrait
 

Here's my "unique" T206 Cobb Red Portrait with severe diamond cut and WST. Not sure how rare this is but it certainly isn't run of the mill.

Ted, I wasn't questioning your statement perhaps the wording in my post
wasn't the best. I was questioning if he might have received a favorable
grade based on PSA's grading standards. The Herzog clearly has part of
the name and team cut off.
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Whoa... I'm not sure I've ever seen a "confirmed" strip of 3 T206 card fronts before! Blackburne, Myers, Hoffman! Whoa

Pat

You may be correct in that observation.

I'm not much of a fan of the card grading system. I think that some times it can be quite arbitrary. For example,
I refer to the AB 460 Jennings card which I posted. First graded "Authentic", subsequently graded SGC 60.
Hey, I'm not complaining. I like the Ex grade (which, in my opinion this card should have been graded initially).



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TED Z
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Ted- did you crack out the Jennings from its "A" slab and resubmitted raw? Nice bump.

Hi Mike

Absolutely yes !

Hey guy....how's the snow storm in NYC today ?


TED Z
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Here's the other SGC 60 that I used to own. Sold to a fellow board member in '14

Drum Griffith
 

I have the Drum Griffith card but only a PSA 2

This T206 was ungraded for a long time; and, during that period it was unique. In recent years I had it graded.
But, it's no longer 1 of 1. Now there is another Elberfeld / DRUM graded (PSA 3).


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...erfeldDRUM.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ldDRUMx25b.jpg


TED Z
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While we are on the subject of DRUM cards, I think my Frank Delehanty DRUM may be a unique T206 card.
I'm curious if anyone else on this forum has seen (or has) another one ?


A-B-C-D connection of my favorite T206 subject in the 350-only series.
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TED Z
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Outstanding ABCDs Ted!

Thanks, Eric


A Net54 "reader" emailed me regarding SGC's Pop report indicating a Frank Delehanty DRUM card listed SGC A. I informed him that I think that is my card.
Circa 2007, I acquired this Delehanty. It was in an SGC A plastic. And, I cracked it out of the plastic and placed it in high quality mylar.

My experience in tracking DRUM cards indicates that quite a number of the T206 Minor Leaguers from the 350-only series appear to be 1 of 1 cards. So, it
would not surprise me if another Frank Delehanty / DRUM never shows up.


TED Z
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Double post.

Hi Scot

That's quite a statement....regarding your preference for the Collins (with bat) card over the Wagner card !

Do you have any theory's why American Litho printed him, but withheld him ?

TED Z
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No way over a Wagner or a Cobb/Cobb back....Please...

I suppose in theory you can always locate and purchase another Wagner if you had enough funds.

There are only a few cosmological events that could occur for you to get a shot at the Collins proof.

Scraperton

Hi Ted,

Your theories are as good (probably better) than mine about the great enigma Collins (With Bat) proof. I tend to think that American Tobacco didn't get his written authorization back by the deadline in winter/spring 1909 and, since he was an emerging star and a Columbia grad (i.e. a smart guy), decided to remove him from printing. Maybe he even explicitly objected or threatened them with a lawsuit -- can you imagine if he did that and someone produced the letter 108 years later? Now that would be big!

I have no strong evidence that delayed (or lack of) authorization was the reason Collins (With Bat) wasn't printed. But consider the portraits in the 350-only series. The Hall of Famers are basically Eddie Collins, minor leaguers (Beckley and Jimmy Collins) and Rube Marquard (who didn't emerge as a star until 1911). Makes no sense that Eddie Collins would be printed as a 350-only portrait unless there was some sort of unusual delay. My best guess is that Collins (With Bat) and Collins (Portrait, Philadelphia) were both supposed to be 150/350 releases, but ATC was forced to delay and mothballed the With Bat version entirely.

Scot

EDITED TO ADD: For those who are unaware, the American Tobacco Company sought written permission from the players who it wished to include in the set we now (thanks to Jefferson Burdick) call T206:

http://www.t206museum.com/page/periodical_96.html

Collins Proof
 

I do remember the T206 Collins Proof was found at the same time as 8 or so Southern Leaguers (also un-issued). He was the only major league player. I don't have a better explanation for it not appearing , perhaps the permission letter theory is as good as any. I believe R.L. bought the card for the princely sum of $18,, oh how the times have changed,,,

What we have to remember, proofs were not only made to make sure colors and registration were correct, but furthermore, it was a final approval stage for production. Just a thought here, there might've been a bunch of designs that were scraped because they weren't visually appealing. Not saying the Collins is ugly, but the pose and his stance are a little awkward, IMO. Not a card I'd take over a Wagner. ;)