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I get the Cub's reaction winning for the first time at Wrigley, but watching the Jays celebrate today you would have thought they had won the WS - I liked it, but I don't recall teams reacting so much over a Division Series win. (I suppose it has a lot to do with the Jays losing the first two games and coming back to win) |
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Baseball is a game of tradition and unwritten rules. I think the stare and the bat flip was a bit excessive for the 7th inning. If this was the walk off home run that won the game then i get it.
I think one can be a little more classy in victory. As to the fans, i get it but dangerous to throw bottles which may seriously injure someone. I don't know, maybe i am old school lol Should be a good series |
Holy sh!t like baseball was not boring enough the the rest of America besides us old nostalgic farts! Please bring the drama back this post season has been amazing!!!!! Go Dodgers!!!!!!!
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Blue Jays haters in this thread are blowing my mind. They were down 0-2 and then won 3 straight, despite nearly losing the series on a dopey fluke. So when Bautista is up in the big moment (after the Rangers make 3 errors) and hits his homer, that's going to be an emotional moment. You can't blame him for taking it in.
Also, since the original poster is a Yankees fan (as am I), I find it hard to believe you can call the Jays fans classless for throwing things on the field. At the old stadium, every time fans didn't like what happened they showered the field level seats in beer from the upper deck. Hell I was at a Rangers / Yankees playoff game back in the day where they took a guy's Rangers hat off his head, lit it on fire, and then threw it from the bleachers. |
to me...a lifelong yankees fan...bautista did nothing wrong. what's wrong with baseball is this old fuddy duddy mentality that celebrations are not permissable...bla bla bla! He didn't respect the game?
To me respecting the game is playing it hard...within the rules...NOT cheating...NOT electively injuring others...NOT bitching about everything. |
First of all, I'm not a Blue Jays fan and couldn't care less who wins once the Red Sox and Yankees are out of it.
As others have mentioned, isn't baseball boring enough and now we're asking players to stop showing any emotion? The Blue Jays were upset about the previous call, even though the umps made the correct call they were still fired up. Here's what I would say if it was my son pitching or playing infield in that game: You don't like the opposing teams showing off? How about not allowing a home run or making errors on plays that would even upset little leaguers. |
I would have to agree, I personally think Bautista did nothing wrong when flipping the bat the way he did. I'm sure if the pitcher were to sit him down on strikes and celebrated as Bats did, we would not be having this discussion. It is pure entertainment and Bautista put on a show for the fans and there is nothing wrong with that.
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Exactly what I was thinking. Glass bottles haven't been allowed in sports stadiums for 40 years. I was genuinely asking because several posters in this thread were acting like people could have been killed. I guess maybe if the bottles were full, it could have injured someone. Honestly though, I wasn't even aware they allowed cans and plastic bottles either. I thought all drinks were served in paper cups at stadiums. That's all I've ever seen at games I've been to. |
They have plastic bottles at Yankee Stadium. It's a soft plastic though, not like a thermos kind of plastic. If you got dinged by a full bottle, it would definitely hurt. But you aren't going throw a full $13 beer, even if you're mad.
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I went to my only Jays game in Toronto four years ago. There may have been 5,000 people there. I'm fairly certain that a corpse could have been thrown out of the upper deck during the game and no one would have noticed. On the plus side, I was able to buy the cheapest ticket in the place and still sit about six rows off the field. I commented to a friend after Odor scored in the 7th that I didn't get the fan outrage since 1) It's clearly defined in the rules that it was a live ball and 2) The Jays still had nine outs to find a way to score a run (with arguable the most potent offense in baseball). I didn't like the bat flip (or Rodney's bow and arrow antics) simply because of the timing. Had the homerun been of the walk-off variety (or had Rodney closed the game out), I'd be ok with it. I understand that it's probably an age / generational difference, but that type of behavior would not have flown with any of my coaches. Regardless, it all makes for good entertainment. Bat flips or not, I love this time of year. Mark |
Sort of lost in the bat flip tempest is the incredible, perhaps unprecedented implosion of Elvis Andrus.
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I was at Citi on Monday also and the venom unleashed at Utley was pretty over the top. Yet instead of retribution, the Mets did what you are supposed to and let their play do the talking...and as far as bat tosses, if you have an issue with Bautista, then where were you with Cespedes?? He launched his bat 15 ft in the air on his bomb. But as Jeff said, nothing was thrown onto the field, and what the Toronto fans did was a bad move. Even when Gonzalez hit a HR and the ball was thrown back, the PA announcer said that fans should refrain from throwing things for the safety of everyone and they could be immediately ejected from the stadium. |
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As for Bautista......can you imagine the emotion the team was going through after the incident with the catcher missing te throw and hitting the bat leading to a run that put Texas in the lead.....Holy cow.....can you imagine if that game ended up 3-2 final.....crazy. I'm Canadian and yes classless fans throwing junk onto the field is inexcusable but I can guarantee it has happened at every stadium in every sporting event. Andy |
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We aren't wearing suits to the game anymore. And we live in the age of celebrating yourself. Take a look at anyone's Facebook feed. If we get into football territory where after every single some guy does a cartwheel, then I'm with you.
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Bautista is neither a douche nor over rated. He has hit home runs off the best of them and is an upstanding citizen. The bat flip was a little over the top but no one noticed it till they showed it 300 times on the highlights. Everyone in the park, including myself, had our eyes on the ball he crushed for a clutch homer. Some of you have to stop living in the past. Gibson, Drysdale, Seaver, P.Martinez were great pitchers but there's some great pitchers coming out of the generation we live in also!! I looked at a Texas paper online to read their perspective and all this didn't seem to be an issue. What they were talking about was the monumental collapse and little league type errors. As for the fans, that was terrible and not what Toronto is about. A couple drunk punks in the upper level started throwing beer and all of a sudden it was mob mentality. I can tell you though that right away people started pointing out those throwing stuff and the bulk of the crowd turned on them. That's something I'm sure espn didn't mention. |
Hey! Would you call Babe Ruth a douche for calling a homer while standing in the box? Showing off has always been a part of sports. I wish we saw more of it. Why does the NFL have the nick name, No Fun League? Penalties for celebrations. Like others have said, "you don't want to be embarrassed, don't give up the homerun." The bat flip was obviously unplanned, so you have to account it to emotion in the moment. Bautisa quote, "I wasn't trying to disrespect anyone."
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FYI, I was at the 1973 Mets vs. Reds NLCS game #3 at Shea Stadium when Rose barreled into Harrelson. I was a huge Mets fane and "sad to say", the bottle/can throwing at Rose in left field was absolutely despicable. Even more scary was the fact that there were GLASS bottles back then and someone (like Rose) could have been seriously hurt. Sometimes a few bad apples/drunken bleacher bums can set a poor example for the otherwise great number of fans. Point well taken and I really don't think people will single out Toronto as a whole for those few rotten apples. Unfortunately, I will always be old school with respect to showing some form of class on the field. Flipping a bat is one thing, but doing it in the manner that Bautista did was way over the top. |
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Jose's bat flip was a cathartic gesture, shaking off 8 years (his) and 23 years (Jays fans) of frustration. The "fans" that threw beer cans should be embarrassed. I attended Game 1 and 2 in Toronto and despite a terrible strike zone being utilised by the umps, nothing like that happened. The team have seen their share of band-wagon jumpers, that don't understand the game and are there to get drunk and party, like any successful team. Pls don't paint the whole fanbase and town with this brush. Good luck to KC...they will need it! |
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How many guys have had their careers shortened or ended by being hit with a pitch? Tony Conigliaro, Dickie Thon, Kirby Puckett, Mickey Cochrane just off the top of my head. And of course Ray Chapman. And yet we long for the days when Bob Gibson would hit someone for taking too much time circling the bases after a home run, or Drysdale would hit a guy just for digging in against him? I like that umpires will now throw a pitcher out of the game if they think that he threw at a batter intentionally. I don't really care for bat flipping, but I really think that drilling a guy for "showing up the pitcher" is excessive. Get over it! A guy hit a big home run, off course he wants to celebrate. |
Here's our next generation's reaction to Joey Bats. May this kid never forget this moment.
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Toronto fans were gross. At least now I have a team to root for. Utley's move was bush league chickensh*t.
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I understand the frustration with what Utley did, but doing that changed the game for LA. They aren't playing for the championship series tonight without it. So as much as I don't like what he did, I'd want him doing it for my team.
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