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begsu1013 09-08-2015 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1450574)
Larry yeah I saw those. Flip buying madness.:)
again, if they key word and focus is on investing, then drop the set idea and stick w/ one card, highest grade possible as i stated above.

above are 2 primary examples. there was also a 70 ryan psa 10 that gained $13K from the previous sale (same exact card) in only 2 years time.

1 card. easy sale. monumental returns.

no brainer for us collectors that aren't "intelligent"...

Peter_Spaeth 09-08-2015 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by begsu1013 (Post 1450648)
again, if they key word and focus is on investing, then drop the set idea and stick w/ one card, highest grade possible as i stated above.

above are 2 primary examples. there was also a 70 ryan psa 10 that gained $13K from the previous sale (same exact card) in only 2 years time.

1 card. easy sale. monumental returns.

no brainer for us collectors that aren't "intelligent"...
Bob haha. As an investment strategy, I agree with you completely. The flips have definitely taken on a life of their own and that is not likely ever to change. But purely from a collecting standpoint (if there is such a thing) it makes no sense to spend ten times as much for a card that is a microspeck better and maybe not even visible to the naked eye. Not to mention more likely altered in some way.

begsu1013 09-08-2015 09:14 PM
damn, we agree on something? gonna go ahead and document this @ 11:14pm on 9/8/2015 and i appreciate it.

and in return, i agree w/ you about the microspeck and tens of thousands of dollars of paying for such.

but this thread was in respect to investment, so that's the advice im conveying.

Peter_Spaeth 09-08-2015 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by begsu1013 (Post 1450660)
damn, we agree on something? gonna go ahead and document this @ 11:14pm on 9/8/2015 and i appreciate it.

and in return, i agree w/ you about the microspeck and tens of thousands of dollars of paying for such.

but this thread was in respect to investment, so that's the advice im conveying.
Yeah it seems we do agree, for once. But that can change.

begsu1013 09-08-2015 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1450662)
Yeah it seems we do agree, for once. But that can change. :D
well chit! i hope it does. agreeing was fun and all, but...

and for the record, i would much rather have 200 1970 ryan psa 9s than 1 psa 10.

but i would crack out about 50 of them and play the resubmit game all day long!

edit: in fact there might be 10 of them and an sgc 98 sitting at psa right now as i type! ;)

Peter_Spaeth 09-08-2015 09:21 PM
Adding a Gem Mint grade was a stroke of genius but I still don't understand how a card can be better than Mint. And I think a lot of the 10s are either arbitrary or favors.

begsu1013 09-08-2015 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1450664)
Adding a Gem Mint grade was a stroke of genius but I still don't understand how a card can be better than Mint. And I think a lot of the 10s are either arbitrary or favors.
ok. quit making sense. it's only been 10 minutes and i'm already sick of agreeing with you! ;)

the dress is red. take that.

mark evans 09-09-2015 01:23 PM
I agree with those who suggest collecting for fun. Economics is not my long suit but I fail to see how past value fluctuations are an indicator of future performance. Strictly being a collector, I just hope my estate will be able to recoup all the money I spent having fun in the hobby.

begsu1013 09-10-2015 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by begsu1013 (Post 1450663)
well chit! i hope it does. agreeing was fun and all, but...

and for the record, i would much rather have 200 1970 ryan psa 9s than 1 psa 10.

but i would crack out about 50 of them and play the resubmit game all day long!

edit: in fact there might be 10 of them and an sgc 98 sitting at psa right now as i type! ;)
ut-oh peter! we shoulda went out and bought lottery tickets as well.

that 1970 nolan ryan that i was referencing above is now a pop 3!!!!

and yes, she's mine. haven't got her back yet, but cert #21096450

we all know what the last one just sold. so yes, i'd follow that strategy above!

(also had a 71 ryan bump from an 8 to an 8.5)

off to have a real fun night!!!

-Bob

Peter_Spaeth 09-10-2015 08:21 PM
LOL the power of the flip. Congrats.

bnorth 09-10-2015 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1451375)
LOL the power of the flip. Congrats.
The flip is powerful but I would guess it is like the dot-com bubble of the late 90's it will burst.

Peter_Spaeth 09-10-2015 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 1451380)
The flip is powerful but I would guess it is like the dot-com bubble of the late 90's it will burst.
As long as there are male egos with money, I would guess not. But who knows.

ls7plus 09-11-2015 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ls7plus (Post 1450566)
Pete, did you see the gargantuan sums the Clemente and Koufax rookies in PSA 9 went for in the Heritage auction a little over a month ago? More than $300K each, if memory serves correctly. This tells me that our little old hobby has quite a ways to go, especially once the big boys get involved! Personally, I believe that even Pre-War is in its infancy, compared to other collectible fields. If anyone else won an item as I did in Leon's recent auction, they likely received a book from Heritage along with it. Some of the other items in various other areas of collecting which were depicted in this book fetched truly astronomical $$$.

Best wishes,

Larry
Self-correction: The Clemente went for $310,000; the Koufax went for only $89,000. I guess I was thinking of the 1952 Topps Mantle in PSA 8, which went for $382,000 (it was a mere $112,000 card in 2010!). Male egos with lots and lots of money!

Regards,

Larry

begsu1013 09-13-2015 11:59 AM
and here she is. need for my basic topps ryan run, so i wont be cashing in on my $40k lottery ticket...

which still leaves me $1200 in the hole, plus about $150 in shipping/grading fees.

i'll get by, i guess...

not too bad for an unintelligent collector ;)


http://caimages.collectors.com/psaim...0/70ryan10.jpg

Leon 09-16-2015 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by begsu1013 (Post 1452159)
and here she is. need for my basic topps ryan run, so i wont be cashing in on my $40k lottery ticket...

which still leaves me $1200 in the hole, plus about $150 in shipping/grading fees.

i'll get by, i guess...

not too bad for an unintelligent collector ;)


http://caimages.collectors.com/psaim...0/70ryan10.jpg
Nice card. I remember pulling those from packs!!


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