right..besides handing you $200 the guy can be saving you $200 in additional money you would have to pay for the same card to a nice dealer...I think you pay the $200 to the bad dealer with a legit same card versus $400 to the nice dealer with knowledgeable hot girls who are single and like personality over looks and know about Old Judges and in their own personal collection they buy card not the grade and they post on forums against shilling and they want to improve the hobby...hmm maybe I changing my mind now with those qualifiers :)

Not an attitude thing per se, but I won't buy from anyone leading off a BST post with "taking offers on......."

Yes, there is an AH nearby that I gave up on due to a very rude and nasty attitude by one subordinate. The boss is a great guy but if he hasn't figured her out yet....I will direct my modest funds elsewhere, like Sterling, where nobody yells at you but rather converses pleasantly. I have not even looked at The offending Ah's offerings since the bad phone call. And will continue to focus elsewhere.

Just two that I can think of. One was deeply involved in putting off-grade cards through a paper press and trimming them back down to size, eliminating slightly worn corners in the process, and making the altered raw cards appear to be NrMt-Mt or better. They would consequently measure correctly, but the edges revealed a much cleaner cut than original cards ever possessed. Most of this BS was eliminated when TPG began to loom very, very large on the scene in the early to mid-nineties, but the same seller now "appears" to be selling legitimate PSA-graded cards. I don't think a leopard changes his spots, however. I wouldn't put it past this dealer to be opening slabs and inserting altered cards in place of the originals, or buying from the Mexican scammer who was a prime topic of discussion with regard to his counterfeiting PSA holders and slips several months ago on this forum.

I don't even know if the other (local) dealer is still in business. His specialty was pricing Ex+ to ExMt cards at NrMt-Mt prices, then getting angry when you made an offer more akin to the real value of the card in its actual grade. This kind of jerk tends to put himself out of business as collectors become more knowledgeable, though sometimes that knowledge is expensive.

May your knowledge increase substantially before those lacking in morals or integrity get a chance to get their hands on your money!

Larry

true that annoying..also annoying is after a awhile on B/S/T when a price is listed but after months and months with no offers the seller writes 'OFFERS ANYONE?' then if get an offer they say its lowball and get angry when they are the one begging for an offer when obviously no one even remotely even contacted them based on the price they posted which would suggest they are sky high..

again its their card they can do what they want but the not in a position to be upset with any offer they get at that point...they should just list a lower price if they want to sell or just admit they don't want to sell it a market price only higher...they later become the 'ill just keep it' people or 'ill sent to auction, which auction and how many years from now, nobody knows!'

Greg, your comment leads me to guess that you are able to visit all of the dealers you are willing to do business with at the National in 30 minutes or less! :D
Val

Here's the one for me that I avoid and don't do business with.
I walk up to the table and he's either talking/bragging either to his buddy sitting with him or on his cell phone about the latest awesome pickup or pull he had, all the time not acknowledging the customer who is thinking of spending money at his table. I move on pretty quickly from "the visitor".

Oh, Val, you have put me in a very awkward position. Although I have never had a deal in place with Mr. Mint, the couple of occasions I dealt with him in discussing a possible deal he was very professional and polite. I think he also knew I wasn't going to put up with much crap.

At card shows, unless I am unbelieveably interested in a particular item, I usually pass right by tables with cards that are NOT priced.

I wear comfortable roller skates. If you hear something wizzing past all 6 of Bleams' tables you'll know I've been through.:D

yes
 

Most certainly YES

+1

LOL - you like discussing torque specs with the girls at car shows too? :D

Cheers,
Blair

Unless its a girl working upfront who midreads the price tag on a T206 Wagner and sells it for 100.00 instead of the 100k price tag that was on it. Think this happend in the 80s, and it stood up in court when the business owner tried to sue the customer who bought it.

So this one time at a party ..........we were watching the F1 race and a driver crashed because he hit a pocket of bad air causing loss of down force. my friend asked what bad air was and the hot chick across the room explained it. Somehow I found that incredibly attractive. Hot, yes. Knows race car aerodynamics yes. could I get her number? Even from the guy hosting the party ..........no. :(

Sort of close.

It was a 68 Ryan rookie for $18 instead of 1800, and part of the dealer losing was that it was a kid that bought it.

Steve B

I had never heard this story, so had to look it up. Here's an original article from it (assuming this is the one being discussed).

It was actually a $1200 Ryan RC which sold for $12

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1...y-rookie-cards

Regards
Rich

and this article has more detail about what happened with quotes, etc. Seems the woman at the front was a fill-in who worked at the guy's jewelry store.

That's what I get using my memory instead of Google :)

Steve B

In case anyone unfamiliar with that case is curious as to how it turned out:

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...men-wrzesinski
Baseball Card In Dispute Will Be Put Up For Sale
April 23, 1991
WHEATON, ILL. — A baseball card that has been the focus of a court battle between a schoolboy and a dealer will be sold
and the proceeds will go to charity, the two sides said Monday. Brian Wrzesinski, 13, of Addison, and baseball card store
owner Joe Irmen announced their out-of-court settlement Monday minutes before a judge was to rule. Wrzesinski bought
the Nolan Ryan rookie card last year for $12. Irmen sued, saying the card marked ''1200'' was worth $1,200.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1...00.html?pg=all
RYAN ROOKIE CARD SELLS FOR $5,000
Saturday, June 22 1991 12:00 a.m. MDT
Bidding for a controversial Nolan Ryan rookie baseball card started at $12 Friday, and within minutes the card sold for $5,000.

The auction was held following a settlement between 13-year-old Bryan Wrzesinski, Addison, Ill., and baseball card store
owner Joe Irmen. On April 24, 1990, Bryan bought the card for $12 when a clerk in Irmen's store did not realize the price tag
actually meant $1,200. During Friday's sale at Chicago Riverfront Antique Mart and Auction Co., Bryan Wrzesinski symbolically
began the bidding at $12, but the next bid was $1,200, by Joe Irmen, the other figure in the controversy.

The bidding rose steadily until the card was purchased for $5,000 by Tony Del Angel, 39, of Lisle, Ill. "I look at it
as an investment. Within a few years, I'm going to get my money back," Del Angel said.


Fascinating discussion of the legalistic implications of the case here:
http://tinyurl.com/qbeofsb
It'd be a hoot to argue this over beers with the contract lawyers on board...

Amen to that! Either put a price on it, or put in the auction section with your minimum bid. Otherwise, you are just running an auction with a hidden reserve, not selling.

Cheers,
Geno

This insanity has gone on entirely too long.

"their" is plural

"Is" is singular

ergo this thread should be titled correctly

"Are there people you wont buy from simply because of their attitude?"

Everyone knows that there is more than one person out there with an attitude.

Also an acceptable alternative

"Is there a person you wont buy from simply because of his/her attitude?"

This is for folks who don't recognize an attitude when they see one.;)

Frank, generous of you to overlook the missing apostrophe...

lol!!

Too funny. This was my childhood card shop. I haven't thought about that story in a long time. It consumed my best friend and my (11 at the time) thoughts entirely for quite a while. We weren't too fond of Joe, but that shop did provide plenty of great memories. Ball-mart recently closed it's doors.

Is
 

Frank, thank you for bringing that up! That "is" has been bothering me ever since I first saw this thread. :)

Rick

Trying to be politically correct I see haha.

We can see in retrospect that 1991 was the peak of the late '80s-early '90s card bubble, and this quote is a great illustration why. Unless that Ryan RC was in PSA 9 or 10 condition (which I highly doubt, given how much it was handled back then), it never got near $5000 in market value.

I'd love to talk to Tony del Angel now!

+1 I stay far away. Some, not all, of them will test you to see if you know how much the card is worth and then state a price. *

stop the insanity...or die frustrated trying!!!
 

thanks Frank...I just scrolled through this whole thread..that I had previously been ignoring...to see if anyone corrected that!!!!!

"Old Price" and Jizmo the Magnificent
 

Im newly back into the hobby after a 15 year break but ive already experienced one unbelievably annoying pattern where ill find a card with a price and the dealer will say "Oh thats an old price - I can't sell it at that"

Unfortunately id say 8 out 10 dealers ive dealt with in the last 6 months have employed this tactic multiple times. More than anything Im just insulted that everyone continues to troll this bush tactic on me like I wouldnt understand what's being done to me.

Im heading to the national on Friday on my Ted Williams rare card hunt and (ill go ahead and name him) im surely NOT going to buy from Jizmo the Magnificent (Gizmo Dick Giddings). Jiz has represented himself so poorly on this forum and i have no interest in keeping him in business. I do want to swing by his booth to evaluate his internet tough guy persona - im not expecting such a Hulkamaniac in person but you never know with Crossfit these days.

ALWAYS looking for a 1939 Ted Williams Goudey Premium

Yes and I have a few people I won't sell to. All on eBay. My transactions here, while few, have all turned out well. :)

I won't buy from Pete because of their grammar.

Dr. Frank and Dr. Pete from Dr. Barry
 

Is there a person from whom you will not buy simply because of his/her attitude?
all the best,
Barry

Grammar police, thanks for stepping in!
 

+1

I had ignored this thread until now but I simply had to see if the grammar nazis were doing their job. I cringe every time I log into this site and see this horrible thread title.

Please fix it!!! It's such an eye-sore!!

+1 Hallelujah