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2B - Pete Rose
1B - Lou Gehrig RF - Roberto Clemente DH - George Herman Ruth SS - Cal Ripken Jr. 3B - B. Robby LF - Ted Williams CF - Willie Mays C - Johnny Bench SB - Gibson |
I changed my mind. All of these guys were flawless in the playoffs:
of - Clyde Milan of - Harry Heilman 2b - Nap Lajoie 1b - George Sisler of - Frank Thomas dh - Don Mattingly ss - Ernie Banks 3b - Ron Santo c - Joe Torre p - Felix Hernandez |
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Um, one postseason? Madison Bumgarner has 3 rings. That's as many as Koufax. That's as many as Bob Gibson and Walter Johnson combined. Oh, and he's 25 years old. What's laughable is the willful ignorance displayed by so many that automatically think older is better. The theoretical question posed here was about who would be best in one game, LIFE OR DEATH, meaning the highest possible pressure situation. The closest comparison as far as baseball stats would be when the pressure is highest, namely, the postseason. More specifically, the World Series. So, tell me this, without cheating and looking below, which postseason stats are better: A) 4-0, 0.25 ERA, 0.528 WHIP, 31 K, 36 IP, 1 shutout. B) 7-3, 2.14 ERA, 0.883 WHIP, 77 K, 88.1 IP, 2 shutouts. C) 3-3, 2.52 ERA, 1.420 WHIP, 35 K, 50 IP, 1 shutout. D) 4-3, 0.95 ERA, 0.825 WHIP, 61 K, 57 IP, 2 shutouts. E) 7-2, 1.89 ERA, 0.889 WHIP, 92 K, 81 IP, 2 shutouts. F) 3-0, 0.87 ERA, 0.935 WHIP, 8 K, 31 IP, 1 shutout. Perhaps that will help give you some objectivity. There are still other factors that should be considered, such as the 60s being an incredibly pitcher-friendly era, and the modern game's dearth of complete games, and therefore shutouts. So would you like to know who is who? Here ya go: A) Madison Bumgarner - career World Series B) Madison Bumgarner - career postseason total C) Walter Johnson - career postseason (all World Series) D) Sandy Koufax - career postseason (all World Series) E) Bob Gibson - career postseason (all World Series) F) Babe Ruth - career postseason (all World Series) And for the record, I chose 5 pitchers and said I'd be fine with any of them. Bumgarner was one, and still is. And like I said before, I HATE HIM! I also chose Mathewson, but it's very difficult to compare pitching stats from the deadball era. -Ryan |
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Easy bub...you act like it matters. I know the World Series is the biggest stage, but there are usually five or so pitchers better than bumgarner every year....but this coming year he may be top three. I get he just had an amazing playoff run this past year, but it was in fact, this year's run that put him on your list. So those scoring at home, it's.... Ryan 1 Mike 1 ;) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Did you just really call me Bub? Anyway, I wouldn't put Bumgarner in the top 5 last year or this year. He's a good pitcher, but not close to Kershaw. And there are several others that are also currently better than him. But he becomes someone else when it matters the most, and that's what we're talking about.
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At least no one picked Kershaw for their 'one game only' team. That would certainly be lunacy, given his meltdown in critical post-season games.
I agree with Ryan that the only do-able way to quantify 'one game only' performance is through post-season stats, but if you had the time (the 'Stache being the only person here who has that kind of time) I suppose you could go through a list of candidates' careers, picking out critical games only;e.g-I wouldn't count game 4 of the World Series if your team is up 3-0, but I would count critical games at the end of the season when you are in a pennant race. In the end, gut feel seems to be as good a method as any. Personally, I find the wide variety of 'gut feels' on our forum to be very interesting, especially among those of us who have followed baseball players during the same periods. It's also interesting to see all the names on people's lists that represent completely non-quantifiable players, given that they played during periods where we don't have enough stats to make such judgements. But even in those instances, 'gut feel' based on what they've read about such players, is as valid as any method for choosing. |
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Compare Brooks Robinson's postseason stats to Mike Schmidt and the player who I would want manning the hot corner becomes very, very evident.
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If my life depends on it defense goes out the window. My pitching will be good enough and offense good enough that it won't matter.
LF Ty Cobb 2B Rogers Hornsby RF Babe Ruth 1B Barry Bonds DH Ted Williams CF Willie Mays SS Honus Wagner C Josh Gibson 3B Mike Schmidt SP Walter Johnson Relief Randy Johnson Closer Mariano Rivera That team would beat any team made up of any other players 10 times out of 10. I think..... Tom C |
LF - Rickey Henderson
SS - Honus Wagner RF - Babe Ruth 1B - Lou Gehrig CF - Ken Griffey Jr. DH - Ted Williams 2B - Rogers Hornsby 3B - George Brett C - Yogi Berra SP - Walter Johnson |
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I was having some fun ;) glad you didn't take offense to it. Anyway, it might sound ridiculous, but kershaw is better than bum and I'd still take him in one game. I think he will prove it to us in the near future. That being said...bum has been great in the playoffs and I get why anyone would want him. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
I still couldn't go with Kershaw because the future is now. There is no future if Kershaw is taking the mound. :eek:
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I don't really get the idea of using the playoff stats as what I will base my life on. I mean....if small sample sizes are what I am going to base it on why not go with Mark Whiten on the day he hit four homers? Ed Delahanty the day he hit four? Len Barker the day of his perfect game?
I wouldn't base my life on the outcome of small sample sizes. My "team" has so much hitting and pitching that it will more than make up for any "lack of clutchness" or whatever those using playoff stats are trying to say. Tom C |
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This is why I choose kershaw...because overall he is a beast and has better overall numbers. But bum has been really good in the postseason, so apparently he is better than Walter Johnson and Christy Mathewson....uh, no Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
1B Tino Marteniz
2B Robinson Cano SS Derek Jeter 3B Wade Boggs C Yogi Berra OF Mickey Mantle OF Babe Ruth OF Bernie Williams DH Joe DiMaggio SP Roger Clemens Closer Mariano Rivera I want them Roided to the gills. |
CF Mays
LF Musial DH Williams RF Ruth C Posey 1B Clark SS Wagner 2B Molitor 3B Sandoval P Mathewson Gamers, all. (Yes, I'm a Giants fan.) |
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If you don't go with Lopez, I'd go with Tony Pena at Catcher or maybe even Kendall.
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Brooks OPS .785 .303 .323 .462 Schmidt OPS .690 .236 .304 .386 It's clear to me who I want manning the hot corner, George Brett. |
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Now... Brett is a fine choice at third no matter the criteria, especially in his prime. Just don't base it exclusively on what he did in 150 at bats over the course of 12 seasons. Tom C |
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Stennett went 7 for 7 :) |
Lf Ricky Henderson
2b honus Wagner Cf willie mays Rf hank aaron DH babe ruth 1b:Lou Gehrig 3b:Chipper jones (homer pick) SS: Derek jeter Catcher: Yogi Berra Pitcher: christy mathewson Closer: mariano Rivera Unless I missed it I was the only one so far to pick hank Aaron which surprises me looking at his postseason stats. All a matter of opinion but I expected to see his name more. Chipper was a Braves fan pick for me. A lot of postseason experience. Wanted to put tom glavine as my pitcher based solely off of game 6 in 95 and my favorite player of all time but can't deny what Mathewson did in multiple series. |
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Watched him playing in the Cape League
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