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Originally Posted by RichardSimon (Post 1365865)

Heritage is stating that these items are in PREVIEW and are for "amusement" purposes. They have done this before and much has been made of it here on 54. Even though they claim they have full letters from the TPA's they as of yet might not have them, based on previous claims of Heritage.
According to their rules, they can remove these items if they feel they are not authentic.
Talk amongst yourselves.

ps. Irony here, I have been banned by Heritage yet my post is sort of explaining what they are doing with these lots.

Thanks, Richard. They succeeded with their "amusement". I don't buy any such disclaimer from them; however, if a preview like this leads to discussion which leads to removal, I'm all for it.

To me the most important point regarding these high-dollar items, is that no one who studies Net54 regularly will ever knowingly get burned by any such auction (I chose ALL of my previous words quite carefully :)). Prior to laying out the big $$$, we will either know the item is good based on our own research, or we will rely on comments here to help with our decision.

No AH can complain about memorabilia discussions here, as that's why we are here. They have to take the bad with the good, and if they are honest, the good will outweigh the bad. No, they are aiming this stuff at people with lots of money who do not read this forum - people who take the JSA or PSA certificate as meaning that the item is good. We hear people all the time say, when an item's authenticity is questioned: "It has a PSA [or JSA] letter", as if that closes the discussion.

I love having real autographs - I wish more autograph collectors thought it was important.

If they are up for preview and for amusement purposes only ....then they have succeeded because the Jackson, Mathewson, and Lajoie are indeed amusing.
I would like to know what basis / references / criteria the TPAs in question are using to determine the authenticity of these items. Is it a reference book or a bank book ?

Lajoie signed photos and fan items 'Larry'. Even when he did sign 'Nap', that 'N' is highly unusual. I'm guessing this particular forgery was based on this signed item, chosen for its simplicity:

Heritage presented these photos on the latest show "A Piece of the Game," and they mentioned that they were in an album that had been sitting in an attic (or basement) in OH for 60 years...so I am sure they fully intend on running these in the upcoming auction

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Originally Posted by Bearfan4 (Post 1365984)

Good poll question: How old would the tree used to create the paper that these were printed on, be if alive today? I'm thinking 'not 60'

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Originally Posted by RichardSimon (Post 1365865)

Heritage is stating that these items are in PREVIEW and are for "amusement" purposes. They have done this before and much has been made of it here on 54. Even though they claim they have full letters from the TPA's they as of yet might not have them, based on previous claims of Heritage.
According to their rules, they can remove these items if they feel they are not authentic.
Talk amongst yourselves.

ps. Irony here, I have been banned by Heritage for giving my opinion, and allowing it to be printed, to someone they believe is crooked, (I thought this was America) yet my post is sort of explaining what they are doing with these lots.

Banned for giving your opinion?

Richard is loved by all auction houses if he says yes. When you say no goodby:D

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Originally Posted by jad22 (Post 1366126)

Banned for giving your opinion?

I gave my opinion to Peter Nash about some autographs that he asked my opinion on. He printed my opinion in his newsletter. Heritage then banned me, claiming that I work for someone who is crooked.
I do not work for Nash and he just asked my opinion on some autographs for a story he was doing.

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Originally Posted by RichardSimon (Post 1366181)

That's absurd. Your offering your opinion about someone else's opinion. I would think that's okay.

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Originally Posted by jad22 (Post 1366238)

That's absurd. Your offering your opinion about someone else's opinion. I would think that's okay.

Yeah but Heritage did not think so.
No problem, the sum total of my bids with them was and is zero.

Heritage auction is up and going with the discussed photos.