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I Only Smoke 4 the Cards 08-06-2014 09:03 PM
I saw these at National and thought they were really cool. The Young in particular will be a centerpiece of a collection.

pawpawdiv9 08-07-2014 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by T206Collector (Post 1302585)
Here we go. These are the two cards I was talking about, and the last recorded auction of each. To me, these are preferred to the cabinet, even though the cabinet presents better, and is easily the better signature. The medium that is being signed is so important in this hobby. Signed Marquards are a dime a dozen -- but a signed T206 Marquard is a $1,000+ card.

<a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/swNQV2bixh6GcZAeoJci_jiJm_Z5QsNdec5_I7WHZRE?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-OhVpYz1aRys/TAAOGsOSADI/AAAAAAAAH20/uGEZ9SoRNa8/s800/image0-2.jpg" height="800" width="501" /></a>

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...entoryid=21855


<a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/tcHnPzodDM0570NuEAig_oRT3dysq2WPtX5u9gk-z0Y?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Mr-bkM1qUVg/U9Q4Fmh3g-I/AAAAAAAAg5c/0L_htwv14R8/s800/W600Young.jpg" height="800" width="564" /></a>

http://www.goodwinandco.com/autograp...s-lot9069.aspx


Amazing picture here. I am only replying as i saw something similar to this somewhere else, currently at auction, for around 7k, with plenty of time left But looks a slight different from this one. Is there a difference as why they labeled the same????
Any guesses?
Here is the pic of it:
http://www.huntauctions.com/phone/img124/1.jpg

e107collector 08-07-2014 02:04 PM
Looking at the auction lot on SCP's website, the Cy Young Cabinet card has a reserve on it. $100K reserve maybe?

Tony

Bicem 08-07-2014 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by pawpawdiv9 (Post 1307287)
Amazing picture here. I am only replying as i saw something similar to this somewhere else, currently at auction, for around 7k, with plenty of time left But looks a slight different from this one. Is there a difference as why they labeled the same????
Any guesses?
W600's were printed over the course of many years as you can see on the label, and there are multiple poses/variations of most of the players. Is that what you were asking? The Young that you posted was created from the same image as the cabinet, but it's printed (not a photo) and was produced years later.

pawpawdiv9 08-07-2014 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Bicem (Post 1307298)
W600's were printed over the course of many years as you can see on the label, and there are multiple poses/variations of most of the players. Is that what you were asking? The Young that you posted was created from the same image as the cabinet, but it's printed (not a photo) and was produced years later.
Thanks, i am not a pre-war guy, so anytime i can get schooled on something its appreciable.

Baseball Rarities 08-07-2014 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by pawpawdiv9 (Post 1307287)
Amazing picture here. I am only replying as i saw something similar to this somewhere else, currently at auction, for around 7k, with plenty of time left But looks a slight different from this one. Is there a difference as why they labeled the same????
Any guesses?
Here is the pic of it:
http://www.huntauctions.com/phone/img124/1.jpg
That particular W600 Young has the Type 2 mount which means that it was probably printed in 1903. That image of Young is also known on the Type 1 mount which was printed in 1902.

Obviously, the image was originally taken in 1893 or before - the date that his Just So card was issued.

benchod 08-07-2014 05:25 PM
Thanks for asking about the w600 Young
I may have missed that one at auction!

Leon 08-24-2014 08:09 AM
66k for the Cy Young Cabinet.......That is the value according to the auction ending.

benchod 08-24-2014 08:50 AM
All of the Cleveland cabs went for much lower than I had anticipated.
Thought they were very reasonable.
Wonder what the consignor was anticipating?

glchen 08-24-2014 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by benchod (Post 1313722)
All of the Cleveland cabs went for much lower than I had anticipated.
Thought they were very reasonable.
Wonder what the consignor was anticipating?
I wonder if encapsulating the cabinets in blue flips (as opposed to red flips) from PSA hurt the value, as potential buyers may not have been sure that they were from the 1890s. (Or they could have gone to SGC w/ something similar, card and auto authenticated.)

Runscott 08-24-2014 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by glchen (Post 1313755)
I wonder if encapsulating the cabinets in blue flips (as opposed to red flips) from PSA hurt the value, as potential buyers may not have been sure that they were from the 1890s. (Or they could have gone to SGC w/ something similar, card and auto authenticated.)
Gary, that was probably it. My guess is that the only people interested in this cabinet were uneducated bidders with a lot of money to spend and who couldn't find a Plank or Ruth rookie to spend their money on. As you say, they probably looked at the slab, saw it had the wrong color of ink on it, and I doubt they even looked at the item within the slab. More educated hobbyists probably simply respected it for its historical value and elected to let less educated people get a crack at it.

Bicem 08-24-2014 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 1313708)
66k for the Cy Young Cabinet.......That is the value according to the auction ending.
congrats Leon?

Leon 08-24-2014 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Bicem (Post 1313776)
congrats Leon?
Hopefully you aren't insinuating I have an extra 66k laying around? :) It definitely wasn't me. I can barely keep up with the shuffling I already do, to pay for my habit hobby.

I did guess it would go for close to the closing amount though, so that will have to do. As with many other things, if I did have the money, I would have paid more than that. It's a great card. Also, have to agree with other folks take on the grading, generally speaking autographs aren't as valuable as cards, so it might have been better to have it graded a 2 (MK) or something? It's easy to have 20-20 hindsight but still.....

bgar3 08-24-2014 12:20 PM
I must confess to being way out of touch, as I never would have guessed that whether or not a 19th century cabinet or cdv was graded or not would be of any meaningful interest to someone who appreciated an item like that.

Runscott 08-24-2014 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bgar3 (Post 1313813)
I must confess to being way out of touch, as I never would have guessed that whether or not a 19th century cabinet or cdv was graded or not would be of any meaningful interest to someone who appreciated an item like that.
I would have thought it would have had zero impact on price, as it's easy enough to get a very clear visual on it, and it's not like there are loads of them lying around. But I do respect Leon's opinion, and he's much more likely to be a player in an auction like this, than am I, so I suppose I just learned something.

bgar3 08-24-2014 12:50 PM
I also respect Leon's opinion, which is why I admit to being out of touch, however, I agree with our opinion(runscott).

Leon 08-24-2014 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by bgar3 (Post 1313824)
I also respect Leon's opinion, which is why I admit to being out of touch, however, I agree with our opinion(runscott).
Who knows, maybe it doesn't matter? My opinion counts as one...So if ya'll disagree then you win, 2-1. :)

Bicem 08-24-2014 02:03 PM
I doubt the holder made any difference. Regardless, amazing pieces and I'm sure the winners are thrilled to have them.

drcy 08-24-2014 02:19 PM
I don't know why a holder (or lack thereof) would make a difference in the pricing.

I'm not saying that from an anti-grading/anti-plastic holder angle nor saying there's anything wrong with wanting it in a labelled holder, just that the Young is more of an autographed photo (in cabinet card form) than a baseball card. Plastic entombment effects the prices of baseball cards not (in general) autographed photos, even when the photos are vintage originals and by famous photographers. An autograph LOA is usually sufficient for an an autographed photo to get get its full auction house value.

Runscott 08-24-2014 02:39 PM
+1, David.

I sincerely hope no one took my first holder post seriously. I also hope it didn't sound too sarcastic for those who didn't take it seriously.

(By the way, you need to respond to my email regarding the next Felix game, as I'm buying tickets for the group).

E93 08-24-2014 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Runscott (Post 1313767)
Gary, that was probably it. My guess is that the only people interested in this cabinet were uneducated bidders with a lot of money to spend and who couldn't find a Plank or Ruth rookie to spend their money on. As you say, they probably looked at the slab, saw it had the wrong color of ink on it, and I doubt they even looked at the item within the slab. More educated hobbyists probably simply respected it for its historical value and elected to let less educated people get a crack at it.
Be serious. Most of the most valuable collections in the hobby are owned by the most knowledgable collectors. Too bad nothing could be blamed on the stupidity of "registry" folks this time.
Jim B

Runscott 08-24-2014 02:45 PM
I think you mean "be serious" as in "stop being a clown" :p

If not, please refer to the post I made 1 minute before yours.

nolemmings 08-24-2014 02:54 PM
I can understand the slabs in this case, not for the photos, but for the handwriting. I'm not sure how many people know how Cy Young would sign/identify B. Ewing, McKean, etc. (not saying PSA does either), but it makes distracting ink on the photo less so if you imagine ol' Cy putting his pen to it. Ten years from now if you didn't know about the provenance from this auction you might just think some nobody added the names to the front without the slab.

Runscott 08-24-2014 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by nolemmings (Post 1313870)
I can understand the slabs in this case, not for the photos, but for the handwriting. I'm not sure how many people know how Cy Young would sign/identify B. Ewing, McKean, etc. (not saying PSA does either), but it makes distracting ink on the photo less so if you imagine ol' Cy putting his pen to it. Ten years from now if you didn't know about the provenance from this auction you might just think some nobody added the names to the front without the slab.
That makes complete sense. Seems like it would actually raise the price for those photos.

E93 08-25-2014 08:16 AM
Scott,
Sorry about that. I did not get the sarcasm in your original post. Electronic communication can be tough in that way.
JimB

Runscott 08-25-2014 10:11 AM
Jim, it's fine - it resulted in your reinforcing my thinking. If my post had been ignored it would have meant everyone agreed with its literal meaning (for Barry: as opposed to literally agreeing with it). It wouldn't have been the first time that I posted something that was very dry, and everyone thought it was sloppy wet.

bcbgcbrcb 08-25-2014 07:49 PM
Agree with the others, a good deal for the winner of the Young cabinet, wish I had that kind of money.....


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