Peter S.-I agree; that's why I say it is not perfect. The other issue I see is a little more esoteric. Take two 1869 Cincinnati CdVs, one blank back, the other advertising Charwick's annual. By this definition, the latter would be a baseball card, but not the former. To me, they both are. Perhaps the definition could be improved if it was expanded some to say the card was, or could have been, used to advertise.... I would need to give it some thought. However, this is just the definition for me. I have no problem with someone else having a completely different definition.

Peter U-I agree with you also. This is just my definition. Others should make up their own mind.

Kevin-My opinion is that almost all strip cards (as opposed to cards of women stripping) are really ugly and I would never collect them.

Nah, if one person thinks it thats all the matters...

However, at the National you will hear about one auction about a lone auction that is 4k higher than last sale...so in theory that final win price is based on what one person thinks...so in essence it would matter in that sense

I collect what I want (hence my avatar), but I am always interested in hearing other collectors' opinions on different subjects.

Especially when they are so ludicrous.

And Rob called postcards and Exhibits cards in every auction he did.

Man, you could take that to its logical conclusion and just shut down the chatboard lol.

In Rob's defense I am not sure when he said what Jay has attributed to him and no offense to Jay, but is what Jay posted exactly what Rob said?

In my opinion if it is made of paper, intended for distribution and promoting the sport of baseball it is a baseball card. Does not have to come in a box, with a product, in a wrapper or be advertising something.

Greg-it was when Rob was arguing that the 1863 Wright Grand Match ticket was the first baseball card.

And the card on the right... just who is that Pipp guy?

Never heard much of him after Gehrig...

Hi Jay,

I am assuming that was a discussion that took place here? I went to do a search and it appears the search function is not working for me.

Thanks,
Greg

Many times the person or should I say the graphic artist who does the scanning for the AH works diligently to make sure the image comes out in the most flattering way. I can't tell you how many times I have recieved my auction winnings, to only discover when I got the card in hand the crease seems to be a lot bigger and deeper than what was shown in the catalog or online. The LOTG Gehrig that is currently being auctioned is a great looking card. I've seen it in person and the grade is very accurate from SGC. Hopefully it won't be crossed over.

I think the scan of the 25 Gehrig in LOTG was done with too much contrast if you look at the SGC label. Would be nice to see the card in hand but I don't think there is too much risk of someone crossing it to PSA 5 holder, but ya never know, due to the snow/surface wear. Besides like most cards, a 25 Gehrig looks much better in an SGC holder.

So are you saying in hand it looks like the PSA 4 in terms of brightness/tint?

I would never make it as a grader. Something I might give a 7 will get hammered as a 4 or 5 and vise versa. With the later being more probable.

The Gehrig card we are speaking about, I did not study it and only looked at for 5 seconds.

When buying any 1925/26 exhibit I would study the brightness/tint as they are key to determine what year it is. Hopefully a graphic artist doesn't change the color tint in a scan which might make the card pop more for the catalog picture.

#Notallgraded1925exhibitsare1925

So you didn't study it, and only looked at it for 5 seconds, yet you assured us before the grade is "very accurate." Count me as confused.

Slow day at the law office Peter? Most of "us" know if we like a card in about 5 to 10 seconds. I just squeezed another 5 seconds in which I'm sure you picked up in being a detailed person. When you referred to "us" is that you and some loyal followers you have? Is it you representing all collectors, or is it representing you and your best friend lassie your loyal 🐶

Try not to hijack another thread or make something out of nothing.

JC, you really should quit while you are behind.

"Us" is the board, obviously. I was referring to your post where you confidently pronounced that the grade was "very accurate."

And you must be a better man than I am, because I could never make that determination -- recall cards have a back too -- in 5 seconds. Especially about an expensive vintage card. Sure, I would know whether I liked it, but that wasn't the question. Nice attempted deflection though.

And I am not hijacking the thread at all. The thread is about 1925 Exhibit Gehrigs. We are discussing one. Indeed, you first raised the topic of the one in LOTG. Now that it is live, I posted because I was struck by the (apparent) contrast between it and others I have seen, and was interested in what people had to say. As you said you had seen the card, I asked you a perfectly reasonable question, and you begged off.

Feel free to respond with more remarks like the one about Lassie though. Very impressive.

At the show, crappy cell phone pic but card looks good to me...

http://photos.imageevent.com/bicem/m...726_131713.jpg

The card looks good in Jeff's picture. I said the card looked good when I saw it in person to. Not sure what you are implying Peter other than you are confused. Maybe you got confused when I said you need to make sure to look at the color tint on all 1925/26 Exhibits as they are very tough to tell apart. Feel free to keep discussing the Gehrig.

I was confused because I asked you what I thought was a straightforward question, whether in hand the SGC 60 looked like the PSA 4 (despite the apparent huge differences in appearance based on the scans), and instead of answering you put up what seemed to be a disclaimer that you had only looked at the card for 5 seconds.

Why should an SGC 60 look like a PSA4. Its an SGC 5 and looks like one. Whats your point?

It must look good to someone as it is currently at $ 67K

It's probably gonna go for over $100K, not too many out there especially in this grade.

You must not have read the posts leading up to it; they give the context for the question.

Its a great card and it's in great condition. I will add IMO, that there are more ungraded exhibits than graded exhibits at this time. I'm not sure when PSA/SGC even started to grade these size cards. Many postcard/Exhibit collections are still burried and are raw. Plus collectors who like stamps or writing on the back wouldn't want to get their cards graded to just receive the Authentic or 1 rating. Yes I know the 25 Exhibit is a blank back, but I still think there are many out there still ungraded. True with a high price like over 100k might motivate some collectors to get their 25/26 Gehrig out and enjoy the wave. It's a super card regardless of grade and glad sweet Lou is getting his respect.

Not sure what your basis is to say a lot out there not graded. Could be true or not. Any evidence besides a raw hunch?

Maybe he took 5 seconds to conduct a survey?

Been collecting a long time and know of a couple raw ones in collections including mine. Took less than 5 seconds for that and no survey needed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but TPGs have been grading these cards for how long? 10-12 years. Look at how many have been graded over the last year. They will continue to come out most likely for another 10-20 years is my guess. Still a low population on them and it shouldn't affect the market or value one bit. If anything, it will create a very popular market as they won't be the impossible dream to own.

Not specific to the Gehrig, but it's one of those topics that gets debated from time to time here: how many high grade/valuable raw cards are still out there. We get opinions ranging from the romantic notion that there are countless guys still sitting on pristine raw collections and that graded cards are still a drop in the bucket, to the opposite notion that the high prices commanded by graded cards have resulted in most high grade cards being submitted already. But other than anecdotes, I don't think anyone really knows or even has an educated guess.

Funny thread. On the PSA 4 vs SGC 60, I was lucky enough to have owned both years ago, they are great 1925 examples. Gloss/tint wise they are very similar when looking at them side by side, biggest difference between the two was corner wear. I always felt both were accurately graded.

Thank you for clearing that up, Scott. Really shows how much difference scans can make.

Seems like someone has an ungraded one and knows of two others. I guess that means there are many ungraded. Ok. I'm convinced based on that. Again, not saying it's wrong. But we can all speculate.

Could it be a blank backed postcard? :) The debate over what a card is will never be settled because it can't be...

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Well the latest Gehrig exhibit rookie, a SGC 60, (5), just sold at LOTG for the sum of $82,419. I guess there's no dought that his card prices are holding for real