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Clutch-Hitter 11-20-2011 07:31 AM

Yes
 
Eyes, hair, lips, ears, and nose all look the same. His face is more rounded, but a man's appearance can change within a one year period. He's certainly not fat in the auction photo, but he's also not skinny like in the comparison photo.

Edited to say: Especially during the off-season. The Babe typically packed on a few too.

bcbgcbrcb 11-20-2011 07:32 AM

I got the Mayor's name, it's Richard E. Allen (1904-07) and I found an online article detailing him:

http://dlg.galileo.usg.edu/georgiabo...fs/gb0030d.pdf

bmarlowe1 11-20-2011 10:09 AM

Given that the scan is not very sharp, I can see no feature mismatch with respect to Cobb.

Jaybird 11-20-2011 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb (Post 940997)
Great idea asking for a scan of the back to help date it. If you look very closely, the stamp box on this one does not match any of the examples provided on that website. However, the undivided-back makes it a March, 1907 or earlier postcard.

While I agree with you for the most part, I've seen the undivided back on later postcards. I know that the USPS allowed the divided back in March 1907 but some postcards were printed after that date with an undivided back. People would sometimes draw their own line to separate the address from the correspondence, etc. after this date.

This is just a technicality and not meant to correct you but to leave open the possibility that this could be a later postcard, though I don't think it is in this case because of the "This Side for Address" line.

Of course, the reverse is true - that you wouldn't see a divided back before March 1907. So, for me, I use it as a guide and not a fast rule when I see an undivided back.

atx840 11-20-2011 12:36 PM

Very rough comparison, ears, eyes & chin all align.

http://i.imgur.com/j5WEM.jpg

Abravefan11 11-20-2011 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb (Post 941002)
Now all we need is a historical photo of the Mayor of Augusta from 1905 and match it up to this postcard.

This is a photo of the mayor just after he was elected in July 1903.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-b...5%252520PM.jpg

Abravefan11 11-20-2011 02:05 PM

A little more digging and it turns out the watch was presented to Cobb by John R. Burke.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-1...0%252520PM.jpg

bcbgcbrcb 11-20-2011 02:36 PM

One thing seems certain, the watch was not "donated" by this individual but instead by the team's fans, maybe "presented" by this individual but that's not what the seller's description states.

Now, we have to determine who John Burke was.............

bmarlowe1 11-20-2011 04:22 PM

A couple of people made the point that the face looks more rounded than other young photos of Cobb. I agree, it does. The reason is that this is a photo taken of the postcard from an angle well below the subject - the camera was clearly not parallel to the plane of the postcard. This causes significant spatial distortion. In this case the vertical dimension of the face appears shortened while the horizontal dimension remains relatively accurate. That makes his face appear more round.

Big Ben 11-20-2011 06:05 PM

I love this thread! I went from not believing the picture was Cobb to thinking the image is Cobb. It would take some more evidence for me to believe that Cobb was 17 at the time of this picture though.

yanksfan09 11-20-2011 08:46 PM

i think it looks like him. This is a 1907-1909 Tiger Team photo, Cobb on middle row on right side.

From antiques roadshow (not a closeup though):

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/archive/201005T14.html

hunterdutchess 11-21-2011 09:09 AM

Looks like the auction was ended, off ebay sale?

Bicem 11-21-2011 07:16 PM

Obviously him to me, how about we do another poll now that we have more evidence?

MW1 11-21-2011 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yanksfan09 (Post 941172)
i think it looks like him. This is a 1907-1909 Tiger Team photo, Cobb on middle row on right side.

From antiques roadshow (not a closeup though):

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/archive/201005T14.html

That's a 1909 M101-2 Sporting News Supplement with the top and bottom either obscured or cut off. $5,000 is not a very accurate appraised value.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-M101-2-...-/400067548284

CW 11-21-2011 09:17 PM

yes, this has been a great thread! With some of the recent points made, as well as more comparison photos, and the fact that it's also a post card, I am also willing to admit I was wrong -- that very well may be Mr. Cobb. :cool:

Bicem 11-23-2011 04:11 PM

I bought the postcard. Apparently this originally came from the estate of the other man pictured -- George Parquette. He owned Parquette Jewelry in Augusta and was the one who supplied the gold watch that was presented to Cobb on August 25th, 1905.

http://photos.imageevent.com/bicem/o...%20Augusta.jpg

Anyway, thought it was a neat piece of history so I made the seller an offer and he accepted.

hunterdutchess 11-23-2011 04:17 PM

Was the "Ty Cobb at 17" written by the seller or was it on the card when they found it? Nice item btw.

Runscott 11-23-2011 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bicem (Post 941840)
I bought the postcard. Apparently this originally came from the estate of the other man pictured -- George Parquette. He owned Parquette Jewelry in Augusta and was the one who supplied the gold watch that was presented to Cobb on August 25th, 1905.

Anyway, thought it was a neat piece of history so I made the seller an offer and he accepted.

Very nice pickup! Especially being a postcard, now you can get it slabbed and the value should increase to at least what you paid, probably more.

Jaybird 11-23-2011 04:40 PM

Congrats on picking up a special card.

Bicem 11-23-2011 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hunterdutchess (Post 941841)
Was the "Ty Cobb at 17" written by the seller or was it on the card when they found it? Nice item btw.

already on there, but I think whoever wrote that was wrong as I believe Cobb was actually 18 when the photo was taken.


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