Scott, I know it doesn't help your self-described status as an anti-establishment provocateur to admit that fraud occurs in the hobby but it does. That you believe you were not defrauded on four bids hardly suggests that the entire baseball card auction business is clean. You don't need to be an important lawyer to understand such a basic concept. You haven't seen the bidding records of the lots you won or any of the thousands others which have occurred in the past few years. Paranoia has nothing to do with this; greed does. Ask Doug Allen or Josh Evans if they think bidders are run up by auction houses.

Calvin, there's no need to patronize me, or make me the subject of your witty enjoinders. I don't know you from Adam, and your responses in this thread certainly haven't impressed me, either with your intelligence, knowledge or your status in the hobby.

Have a good day.

Scott, I'm not here to impress you -- especially since you are completely ignorant on this issue and seemingly proud of it. Suffice it to say I have direct knowledge of what I'm talking about and you don't. Regarding your intelligence, status, blah blah -- all I can tell you is that just because every time you've ever been inside a bank it hasn't been robbed does not mean that banks have never been robbed. Can you understand that? Or should I use another analogy?

Does the grand jury get together once a year for coffee?:D

You really need to go back to your office and just sit in front of the mirror and stare at yourself.

Can you understand that, or do I need to use another analogy?

Scott, I'll ask you again: do you think just because you believe that you were not ripped off on four bids you made in the Goodwin auction that shill bidding does not exist? That hundreds of people have not been defrauded? That a grand jury investigating the Mastro fraud has determined that it has not occurred?

There are two people having this discussion about shill bidding and one hasn't a clue what he's talking about. Just admit that you are clueless and that one does not have to be paranoid to be concerned about shill bidding.

sorry scott
 

Sorry that you let these go some time ago Scott. I'm super excited about acquiring it. I tried to get the Andy Leonard that sold as well... but it really jumped out of my price range.

Since there are only a handful of these out there and most are graded SGC AUTH, I'm just really excited to get this one that's graded a SGC 10/1.

I don't normally add to these types of discussions BUT...

I ALWAYS keep in mind how an auction house might MISUSE any information I provide to them. To think otherwise, I would be flying in the face of a lot of information that has already come out about auction houses. The phrase caveat emptor has been around a long time for good reason.

i'm not paranoid but I'm not going to give anyone a chance to rip me off either. If you can win the item either way, why would you choose the one with more risk intentionally? I have a price I'm willing to pay for something. So does the other guy. A ceiling bid isn't going to scare me away from bidding up to my max so why put it out there for someone to misuse?

It's funny how things go back and forth with their popularity. The original group was missing only Barnes, the Wrights and Spalding. I thought I was getting a steal, and ended up breaking even by the time I had sold all of them. I believe I held Leonard and McVey the longest.

Glad you got hold of one.

The auction strategy discussion was interesting. I quit reading after Calvin replaced me with a straw man. Discussions aren't meant to be 'won' - my apologies to all of you for reading past his first post, and for responding to any of them.

I believe there are actually 15 players known from the 1872 Warren street clothes CdVs. They are H. Wright, G. Wright, Spalding, Barnes, Leonard, O'Rourke, Manning, Schafer, White, Birdsall, Sweasy, McVey, Gould, Rogers, and Ryan.

Here are the ones I knew about - if you click on a name and get a clear scan, it was one of the original cdv's I owned:

1872 Boston Red Stockings

Yes, Scott. The six you had came out of a Robert Edward Auction in 2000, I believe.

So you quit reading -- but kept responding to the posts? Maybe Kreskin was helping you. And I hate to inform you, Scott, but you lost that "discussion" pretty badly.

I thought this was a pick-up thread.

Sorry, I hijacked it when I asked about bidding strategy. In hindsight, I should have started a separate thread.

For Pete, a return to vintage pick-ups:

http://www.hotautoweb.com/sites/defa...xterior-01.jpg

last year
 

I got this 46 Chevy within the last year. Original motor/interior. Low mileage, last owner had a farm and it never left the property in 15 years

John, that's amazing - congrats on the pick-up.

I forgot you were such a huge Pirates fan. I picked up a number of Pirates cabinets the other day, several with Gibson. If interested in doing some horse-trading for spare t206's, let me know.

WOW Scott on John posting in the same thread!!!! I thought I would completly derail this thread and post. This is the definition of old school. I dont post much but read everyday. The reason I dont post is because of threads like this but I thought I couldn't resist with scotts big come back. Nice to have back!!! Now back with the world ending and everyone is robbing me. LOL

Trevor Hocking (There Leon I put my name HEHE) Lighten upo everyone it's F'n baseball cards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PSS YEs my spelling stinks :-)

Holy Cow! It's a triumvirate of the dead posters club!!!

Trevor, I don't even know that this thread has gone to hell. When it reached critical mass, I began ignoring anything that looked controversial. I egged it on, so sorry about that. People like me are kind of why I stopped posting for the last six years.

Where are Bill Cornell and Elliott? What we really need is to get chat going again.

LOL I am in the chatroom now and drinking heavly!!! Where is E Dog and Bill. Man this hobby could definetly use some old school!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm in, but at a coffee shop that doesn't sell alcohol :(

So... about those Goodwin pickups.

Got beat out on something else I wanted, and overpaid on this one, but couldn't care less - dig it.
http://www.collectorfocus.com/images...lavender-jimmy

I'm really surprised at the final price of the Charles Parsons Old Judge. I know it's an un catalogued pose, but there has to be more than that to warrant that much money, right?

Does anybody know why this card went so high?

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetai...polis-SGC-5-EX

Picked this one up...something was different about it, but I just can't put my finger on it.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/501...frontrevis.jpg

That's awesome, Darren!

A 4?
 

Hey Trae, how the hell is that Lavender a "4"?

That card is amazing. How does that happen? I've seen misprints, but that's really wierd.:eek:

it's in the pixels ;)

Easy, they took multiple shots of him for his card and on this one he ducked.

funny stuff Darren!

Looks like he's sinking in a "poole" of water

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...arge/4a_lg.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...ze/442a_lg.jpg

Great cards everyone.

John

I like Darren's variation but even the original is weird:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g5...h1/E107/3r.jpg

What a nice Weaver, very nice pickup Wonka.

Awesome Pickup on the Weaver. Beautiful card!

that Weaver is special.

John- That Weaver is incredible. You are building a great old PCL collection with this card and the Obaks.

Took an early shot at the E107 Poole but went way too up for me.

Cool image.

Like the variation of Poole E107 also.

I picked this one up for my Sport Kings set. Thought it was a good price....

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotImages/26/867a_med.jpeg