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Hal Chase super-print list of T-brands
Here are the 26 different brands (1909-1919) that this card of Hal Chase has been confirmed with.
<img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/achasep460factory42.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> <img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/bchasep460factory42.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 (frame) BROAD LEAF 350 CAROLINA BRIGHTS "COUPON" (T213-1) .... 1910 COUPON (T213-2) ...... 1914 COUPON (T213-3) ...... 1919 CYCLE 350 CYCLE 460 EL PRINCIPE de GALES red HINDU LENOX OLD MILL PIEDMONT 350 factory 25 PIEDMONT 460 factory 25 PIEDMONT 460 factory 42 POLAR BEAR SOVEREIGN 350 SOVEREIGN 460 SWEET CAPORAL 350, factory 25 SWEET CAPORAL 350, factory 30 SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 25 SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 30 SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 42 (overprinted) .... scroll over Factory 30 SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 42 TOLSTOI VICTORY (T214) ...... 1914-15 <img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/avictorychase.jpg" alt="[linked image]"><img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/bvictorychase.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> T-Rex TED |
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great thread with super pics everyone.
TRex, it's the first time i've seen the Red Cobb coupon and it's absolutely breathtaking. Congrats, ole friend. all the best, barry |
Johnny Evers super-print list of T-brands
Here are the 30 brands (1909-1919) that this card of Johnny Evers has been confirmed with.
<img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/everssov460.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 (frame) BROAD LEAF 350 BROAD LEAF 460 CAROLINA BRIGHTS "COUPON" (T213-1) .... 1910 COUPON (T213-2) ...... 1914 COUPON (T213-3) ...... 1919 CYCLE 350 CYCLE 460 DRUM 350 EL PRINCIPE de GALES red HINDU OLD MILL PIEDMONT 350 factory 25 PIEDMONT 460 factory 25 PIEDMONT 460 factory 42 "PIRATE" (T215) ...... 1912 POLAR BEAR RED CROSS (T215-1) ...... 1910-12 RED CROSS (T215-2) ...... 1912-13 SOVEREIGN 350 SOVEREIGN 460 SWEET CAPORAL 350, factory 25 SWEET CAPORAL 350, factory 30 SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 25 SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 30 SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 42 (overprinted) .... scroll over Factory 30 SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 42 TOLSTOI VICTORY (T214) ...... 1914-15 T-Rex TED |
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The ongoing debate of T213-1 vs T206 is a different discussion. I think Ted was mainly showing the same pose in different series. |
Hey guys,
In my last 4 posts here, I'm simply illustrating that American Lithographic continued to print these six super-prints in other Tobacco sets that they produced during the T206 era, and post T206 era (1912-1919). I will soon post the info on the "dark cap dudes"....Matty and Chase. Furthermore, many more subjects that 1st appeared in the T206 set, were continued in the subsequent American Tobacco Co. sets (T213, T214, & T215). For example: Baker, Bender, Chase (trophy), Cobb (bat off shoulder), Crawford (bat), Griffith (bat), Jennings (both), Johnson (pitching), Lajoie (bat), McGraw, Reulbach, Tinker, Wheat, Willis, CYoung (glove), etc., etc. POP reports and surveys suggest that these six super-prints must have been double-printed with some of the brands. And, this is quite plausible since COBB, MATTY, and CHASE were very popular ballplayers. So were TINKER--EVERS--CHANCE in that era. So, here is today's TRIVIA quiz......why didn't American Litho. select TINKER as the sixth subject (instead of a 2nd Chase pose) ? Your thoughts regarding this question will be appreciated ? ? T-Rex TED |
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So maybe Chase got 2 because they wanted better balance? Or someone pulled out of a set? Maybe a Philly player? Plank? Chase had a better year in 1910 than Tinker, and was an improving player in a huge market. 1911 turned out to be an even better year for him. Tinker had an off year in 1910 and while popular may have been thought of as fading? So plank pulls out - maybe for a second time, Chase makes a balanced group by market and is popular and improving. Steve B |
Steve B.
Interesting response....so, essentially what you are saying is that ALC's selection for the 6 super-prints was to balance out League represen-
tation (i.e., 3 guys from the AL, and 3 guys from the NL). And, I like your choice of pitcher, namely Plank. He is an interesting one to round out the American League with Cobb and Chase (the "darling" of New York....where ALC was located). But, Eddie Plank was "yanked" for whatever reasons. Perhaps, a better choice for an AL pitcher would've been Cy Young (1908 Boston 21-11). The thing to keep in mind is....that many of the guys that were included in the 150 and 350 series of the T206 set were selected during 1908 and early 1909. In 1907 and 1908, the Cubs and Detroit were their League's Champions. With the Cubs beating Detroit in both of those years' World Series. Best regards, and thank for your thought-provoking response. TED Z |
Hal Chase (dark cap) super-print list of T-brands
Here are the 24 brands (1909-1919) that this card of Hal Chase has been confirmed with.
<img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/achasedkczp50x.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 (frame) CAROLINA BRIGHTS "COUPON" (T213-1) .... 1910 COUPON (T213-2) ...... 1914 COUPON (T213-3) ...... 1919 CYCLE 350 CYCLE 460 EL PRINCIPE de GALES red HINDU LENOX OLD MILL PIEDMONT 350 factory 25 PIEDMONT 460 factory 25 PIEDMONT 460 factory 42 POLAR BEAR SOVEREIGN 350 SOVEREIGN 460 SWEET CAPORAL 350, factory 25 SWEET CAPORAL 350, factory 30 SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 30 SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 42 (overprinted) .... scroll over Factory 30 SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 42 TOLSTOI VICTORY (T214) ...... 1914-15 T-Rex TED |
Hey Barry
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These super-prints fascinate me. And, as much as I like Chase, I don't understand why American Litho. printed two of him. They chose Chance and Evers....so, how about Tinker ? Or, how about CYoung ? What's your take on this subject ? Best regards, TED Z |
Christy Mathewson super-print list of T-brands
Here are the 27 different brands (1909-1919) that this card of Matty has been confirmed with.
<img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/amattyab350x50x.jpg" alt="[linked image]"><img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/bmattyab350x50x.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> <img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/amatty1910coupon.jpg" alt="[linked image]"><img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/bmatty1910coupon.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> <img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/amattysov460p460.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> <img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/bmattysov460p460.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> <img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/amattysov350x25.jpg" alt="[linked image]"><img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/25xxmattysov350b.jpg" alt="[linked image]"><img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/ap350mattydarkcap.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> <img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/bamattycy460darkcap.jpg" alt="[linked image]"><img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/mattyepdgbk.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> <img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/mattysc350xx25.jpg" alt="[linked image]"><img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/mattysc350xx25b.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 (frame) BROAD LEAF 460 CAROLINA BRIGHTS "COUPON" (T213-1) .... 1910 COUPON (T213-2) ...... 1914 COUPON (T213-3) ...... 1919 CYCLE 350 CYCLE 460 EL PRINCIPE de GALES red HINDU OLD MILL PIEDMONT 350 factory 25 PIEDMONT 460 factory 25 PIEDMONT 460 factory 42 "PIRATE" (T215) ...... 1912 POLAR BEAR RED CROSS (T215-1) ...... 1910-12 RED CROSS (T215-2) ...... 1912-13 SOVEREIGN 350 SOVEREIGN 460 SWEET CAPORAL 350, factory 25 SWEET CAPORAL 350, factory 30 SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 25 SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 30 SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 42 (overprinted) .... scroll over Factory 30 SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 42 TOLSTOI T-Rex TED |
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ted,
i'm thinking that you may have answered your question when you describe Chase as the darling of New York where the ALC was located. Two cards for the darling makes sense to me. Tinker was no darling. best, ole buddy barry |
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I was figuring they used those 6 to skew the balance of the overall print runs towards their bigger markets. - NY customers would want to see more NY players etc. if the biggest markets were NY, Chicago, Detroit, ..... Philly is right up there. If they were picking based on overall career, Young would have made a good choice. I picked Plank because of the odd distribution of his cards. 150 series- withdrawn? But then a few 350's. So maybe the problem that caused the withdrawl was "resolved" but blew up again? or maybe they got permission to use up some old inventory by adding SC 350 backs? So I figured him as a good choice, included in the 6 but again withdrawn when things went bad and replaced with Chase. That is of course just a crazy guess without much to back it up. Steve B |
Barry A
Yes, I think Chase must of been a favorite of those guys at American Lithographic. The building still stands in
downtown NYC. It was constructed in 1895. Here's a pix of the entrance. It now houses professional offices. <img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/americanlithographicbldg.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> Also, here is a list of the 5 top teams in the T206 set in terms of player representation........ NY Giants......52 Cubs.............38 Detroit..........30 Highlanders....27 Brooklyn........27 Best regards ole buddy, T-Rex TED |
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