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D. Bergin 06-22-2010 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrayGhost (Post 818399)
Hopefully the first guy will pay his taxes on the gain. Capital gain tax rate for a collectible is 28 pct max, depending on his other income.


What if he re-invests the difference in Ricky Jordan Rookies and declares it a business expense?

Leon 06-22-2010 10:20 AM

great listing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 818409)
What if he re-invests the difference in Ricky Jordan Rookies and declares it a business expense?

That listing is great. You have to love a collector with a sense of humor.

On the business of re-investing....I am no tax lawyer but the 2nd investment would have to be liquidated to know if there is a gain or a loss on it. Simply buying an investment is not an expense. The expense (loss) comes when you sell for less than you paid. regards

2dueces 06-22-2010 10:23 AM

$12K with the touring seat, windshield and a little chrome update. I'd trailer it to Colorado with the rest of the money and spend a month in the mountains and still have money left over. I'd still rather have my Harley over a 2010 BB card.
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m.../harley019.jpg

FUBAR 06-22-2010 02:50 PM

the card is at 38k+ with 6 days left, crazy if this keeps up, the guy will have a house and a harley!

2dueces 06-22-2010 09:19 PM

Jim, We both could buy Ultra Glides with $38K and tour the country. Nah, I want the piece of cardboard. At least the guy on it is still alive. :)

FUBAR 06-22-2010 10:33 PM

this could get wacky.... but imagine if it hits 100k..... what does that do to our vintage prices.

im thinking 50k is about where it will end, but you just never know

FUBAR 06-22-2010 10:34 PM

im too cheap to even spend 38 dollars on a non 1 of 1 Strasburg

Smokey Joe 06-23-2010 05:17 AM

Now that's just ridiculous to get $100,000...as you can see some people just screwed up his auction with bids from 0 feedback bidders.


http://cgi.ebay.com/2010-Bowman-Step...#ht_500wt_1154

53Browns 06-23-2010 05:46 AM

This is probably some 14 year old kid that got the pull of a lifetime!

Kotton King 06-23-2010 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smokey Joe (Post 818627)
Now that's just ridiculous to get $100,000...as you can see some people just screwed up his auction with bids from 0 feedback bidders.


http://cgi.ebay.com/2010-Bowman-Step...#ht_500wt_1154


I'm guessing the 0 feedback bidder is shilling for the seller. He had one back at $40,000 too. I could be wrong, but I just don't see this being a legit auction any more. It will end at some crazy price, and the winner won't pay it.

birdman42 06-23-2010 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kotton King (Post 818632)
I'm guessing the 0 feedback bidder is shilling for the seller. He had one back at $40,000 too. I could be wrong, but I just don't see this being a legit auction any more. It will end at some crazy price, and the winner won't pay it.

If there weren't nine different bidders over the $50,000 level, I might agree with you. If it's a shill, it's a mighty sophisticated one, and includes a bidder with a 1400 feedback and another with 8600.

Bill

FUBAR 06-23-2010 09:37 AM

I was thinking the same thing Bill.

I was tongue in cheek yesterday when i posted that it my go for 100k thinking no way in reality.. now what 150k 200k?


this auction is absolutely heinous or is that Honus!

Wite3 06-23-2010 10:10 AM

You can look at it a different way...a $100,000 Strausburg 1/1 can buy you 2,000,000 1981 Joe Charboneaus!!

Joshua

barrysloate 06-23-2010 10:11 AM

I sure would hate to be the winning bidder on this one.:(

MikeS 06-23-2010 10:39 AM

Would anybody here like to buy my 1/1 Mark Prior and Ben McDonald refractors? What a joke.....hasn't proved anything yet and is one Tommy john surgery away from that card becoming the worst investment ever. At least Wilson Alverez threw a no-hitter in his first MLB game....but I think his card has gone down over the years to the equivelent of an Enron stock. Good luck to the winner......dumbass

Robextend 06-23-2010 10:45 AM

I thought Alvarez' no hitter was in his 2nd MLB start?

Anyway...Brien Taylor is still my fav prospect that became a suspect.

MikeS 06-23-2010 10:48 AM

Rob-

You're correct on that one with regards to Alverez.......totally dropped his worth down a few thousand more.

fkw 06-23-2010 10:52 AM

The winner of the supershinny one a couple weeks ago has also relisted his card and made it so it will end within 90 minutes of the red signed thingy.

Riding Coat Tails.

IMO ....He will be the only one to make $$ on these besides the 2 who pulled them from packs.


5+ days left......

Red signed one: now over $100K with many high feedback bidders near top. w/4244 watchers.
http://cgi.ebay.com/2010-Bowman-Step...mZ200485213281

Shinny one: now over $18K but reserve not met. w/1351 watchers
http://cgi.ebay.com/2010-BOWMAN-CHRO...mZ150458901752

barrysloate 06-23-2010 10:53 AM

How much is the McGwire ball that McFarlane paid $3 million for worth today?

D. Bergin 06-23-2010 11:01 AM

I see they're not sifting out the crank bidders like the seller of the last Strasburg card was doing.

This card will never get paid for and we'll have to do this all over again.

Boccabella 06-23-2010 11:12 AM

Barry,

No doubt the McGwire ball itself was a bad investment, but McFarlane turned the publicity over his purchase into a good relationship with MLB, which led to his current empire of action figures. I'm sure he's made the money back a few times over. Not to say that'll happen with this card, but sometimes the attention is worth what looks like a dumb investment.

birdman42 06-23-2010 11:19 AM

I was at the Alvarez no-hitter, in 1989. That was during one of the O's brief spasms of not sucking over the last 25 years. Quite the surprise that day.

Alvarez did manage to hang around for a lot of years--but I wouldn't give a nickel for one of his cards.

Bill

Matthew H 06-23-2010 11:30 AM

When Sidney Crosby RCs first hit ebay, I saw a 1/1 shiny with no auto sell for over 40'000. Since then Hockey cards have been pulling nice coin. I don't collect them but have been watching them and the market seems strong.

I wonder if this will do anything for Baseball cards? I gotta say I am envious of the guy that pulled this card out of a pack.

jboosted92 06-23-2010 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matthew H (Post 818686)
When Sidney Crosby RCs first hit ebay, I saw a 1/1 shiny with no auto sell for over 40'000. Since then Hockey cards have been pulling nice coin. I don't collect them but have been watching them and the market seems strong.

I wonder if this will do anything for Baseball cards? I gotta say I am envious of the guy that pulled this card out of a pack.


http://cgi.ebay.com/2010-Bowman-Step...#ht_500wt_1154

108K???

e107collector 06-23-2010 04:15 PM

My Opinion
 
Is it being shilled? Any thoughts?

I am starting to think so.

Tony

tbob 06-23-2010 05:02 PM

Unfriggingbelievable.
He is about to lose his first game today although he pitched well. (Against the mighty Royals).
Didn't Rube Marquard win 17 or 18 games in a row his rookie season? How about Mark Fidyrich pitching in the All-Star game his rookie year?
These bidders are absolutely insane. Let's hope they stay in the shiney card market. Personally I think this Starsburg card will have absolutely no effect on the pre-war cards.

hunterdutchess 06-23-2010 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e107collector (Post 818768)
Is it being shilled? Any thoughts?

I am starting to think so.

Tony

I myself do not think that it is being shilled. If he was trying to do that than would probably do a private listing but I could be wrong. I think that we are seing part of the new era of Baseball cards without 15+ companies issuing a rookie card making there value much higher but 100k is just plain stupid!

D. Bergin 06-23-2010 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e107collector (Post 818768)
Is it being shilled? Any thoughts?

I am starting to think so.

Tony


I don't think it's being shilled. At this point it would be completely stupid to do so.

I do think a large majority of these large numbers will end up being fake bids from people screwing with the auction and the guy will never collect whatever the final bid on this ends up going off at.

FUBAR 06-23-2010 05:18 PM

With 100k i could get Two Harleys, a double wide, and a wife with a full set of teeth! Dang, id be living large then! lol


100 k could get me a heck of a collection, cards, bats, balls, bike, boat....

Smokey Joe 06-23-2010 06:20 PM

oh no, say it ain't so Joe!!!....does price go down to $50,000 now?

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/378826...orts-baseball/

FUBAR 06-23-2010 06:51 PM

his stats were still impressive.... especially seeing as they have him on a pitch count. Not really his fault his team cannot score a run!

Epps 06-23-2010 07:08 PM

Does anyone realize that the Strasburg card is now up to $102,000.

t206hound 06-23-2010 07:37 PM

just back from the game
 
Took my boys to see him pitch this afternoon... struck out nine but didn't seem to have his best stuff. Never got over 98 on the radar. But the kid is for real... even if those bids aren't. No way someone is actually going to pay over $100K for that card.
Quote:

Originally Posted by FUBAR (Post 818795)
his stats were still impressive.... especially seeing as they have him on a pitch count. Not really his fault his team cannot score a run!


FUBAR 06-23-2010 07:46 PM

i read the write up on the game and they blamed his pitching speed on the heat.... apparently you cant pitch quite as fast when it is hot out?

You never know what someone will pay for something they really want.... the high bidders have alot of feedback... remember what we were saying last week... no one would spend 16 k... the guy thought he got a great deal on the card! I seen him on tv talking about it

GrayGhost 06-23-2010 08:34 PM

That price is ridiculous, stupid, moronic and whoever pays that for that card when you could buy a house, or a great rare old card/set is a total fool.

Matthew H 06-23-2010 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrayGhost (Post 818817)
That price is ridiculous, stupid, moronic and whoever pays that for that card when you could buy a house, or a great rare old card/set is a total fool.

Maybe he already has plenty of houses :)

2dueces 06-23-2010 10:09 PM

Whatever floats their boat. I think the hype is good for the hobby at this moment. 5 years from now when the card hits $20 it will be bad for the hobby. Look at all the Pub it's getting. It may bring people back and start collecting again. As for the price. I'll never understand it, but since I'm not bidding, I don't need to understand it.
Another thing I don't understand is the variations of the 1/1's. I guess a true 1/1 would be only one? Not 10 different colored 1/1's. Just me I guess.

Matthew H 06-24-2010 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2dueces (Post 818830)
Whatever floats their boat. I think the hype is good for the hobby at this moment. 5 years from now when the card hits $20 it will be bad for the hobby. Look at all the Pub it's getting. It may bring people back and start collecting again. As for the price. I'll never understand it, but since I'm not bidding, I don't need to understand it.
Another thing I don't understand is the variations of the 1/1's. I guess a true 1/1 would be only one? Not 10 different colored 1/1's. Just me I guess.

If there was one t206 Wagner with a green background wouldn't you call it a 1/1?

cozmokramer 06-24-2010 05:47 AM

Feedback of 4 now bidding it up in $200 increments... can anyone say more shill bidding going on?

GrayGhost 06-24-2010 07:28 AM

It is probably shill bidding.

plus, I guess Im just discouraged someone can actually afford that and such. Still, as others have said, whatever floats your boat and if you have the means, then by all rights, go for it.

No point furthering my already high BP and nerve quotient by arguing over this stupid card.haha. :p

Rob D. 06-24-2010 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrayGhost (Post 818864)
plus, I guess Im just discouraged someone can actually afford that and such.

Why?

FUBAR 06-24-2010 09:37 AM

all you have to do is watch the Barrett Jackson car auction to know how much $$ guys have to spend on their hobbies....

FUBAR 06-24-2010 09:42 AM

the seller canceled those bids for less then 10 feedback....

Buythatcard 06-24-2010 10:37 AM

Am I seeing things? I just looked at the lsiting and it's going for $113,500.00 with 4 days left. Do people have so much money to throw away on 1 card?

I wish I was the person that was selling that card.

GrayGhost 06-24-2010 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob D. (Post 818876)
Why?

Not relevant I guess to the discussion..

Its still stupid as heck IMO.

Peter_Spaeth 06-24-2010 11:01 AM

Here is a 1/2. Why is this worth only 2 percent of the 1/1????
http://cgi.ebay.com/2010-STEPHEN-STR...item2a07fbf25c

Matthew H 06-24-2010 11:13 AM

Don't these people know they're supposed to wait 'til the last day to bid? They're shilling themselves! :confused:

Peter, there are only 2 mint 9's but there's probably 20 gem mint 10's. You'd have to mishandle these cards to get anything less then mint 9. If there is only 2, it just means people aren't grading them.

teetwoohsix 06-24-2010 11:19 AM

In the begining of this thread I was shocked that the card was at $18,000.00,,,,,,,,but IMO this is ridiculous. I'm not saying it's stupid to pay alot for something you really want, I seem to do it quite often- but I also try to factor in the item holding some type of value over time----will this card really hold even 25% (and that's being generous IMO) of $100,000.00 ?????:confused:

I agree with the comments of it being their $$ and let 'em buy what makes them happy--sure--but where does common sense play a part?

No doubt Strasburg is proving to be an awesome pitcher, but this early in his career would paying this much for any one of his cards be a wise move?

Clayton

yanks12025 06-24-2010 11:20 AM

I don't know whether the bids are real or not, but if some wants to spend that much then let them. What about the vintage cards that go 100k +, others would look at them and say their stupid just because it's modern shouldn't discourage the person from his hobby.

slidekellyslide 06-24-2010 11:33 AM

A factor that may not have been discussed yet is that the buyer may be doing this for publicity. Maybe this person wants to be known as the owner of the most expensive modern card?

"The modern day Honus Wagner card!"


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