Just to add a pinch of intrigue, my '55 Bowman Mantle does not have the tell tale white dots, measures fine, nor any alterations that I can spot, but that doesn't mean something nefarious didn't go down and the card won't grade. I am embarrassed that I bought Earl's story hook line and sinker, but what the hell. I felt like taking a chance, but am so glad I didn't win the 3 Mantles. If the winner has been reading this post, they must be appalled.
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If your card isn't that one from the REA lot it is the only one I am not positive of, of those three. The centering is key. It was hard to tell on yours (pretty dang sure it's the same card) but the other 2 shown have unique, altered centering. There is no way, imo, those 2 aren't the same cards. The bottom of the '53 is absolutely laughable. Folks in the know have been contacted. |
It's almost like printing money...crack out awesome looking SGC "A" cards, and flip them raw for big bucks. The buyers have hopes that the cards will grade high, and unfortunately, that is not the case at all. They will grade "A" again, and the buyers will lose thousands of dollars in value.
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I have gone back and examined the Mantle card until I am crossed eyed and of the opinion that it is a different card from the one in the War Eagle scan, the two white dots are clearly not there and the centering is different. Leon, I agree the other two from the REA auction look trimmed at the bottom. Who knows what is going on but this might be the case that blows everything open and Ebay will be forced to take action, says he hopefully.
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In time, probably yes.
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wareagle listed a "nice" collection of hires rootbeer cards. Any sleuths on these being trimmed? :D
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They have over 220 auctions going. Anyone ready to gamble? At least we know the Wheaties box panels are trimmed :)...
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His decision to sell the collection he has been building for the past 40 years
must have been a last minute one. The T206's he just listed https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odk...=T206&_sacat=0 all came from this lot in the last REA auction https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...e?itemid=46221 Attachment 297508 Attachment 297509 Attachment 297510 |
Great catch Pat. :)
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Pat, great sleuthing. Interesting that the T206's now listed by War Eagle, aka Battlefields, aka, Earl won presumably by the above do not, hmm, include a scan of the reverse, where REA painstakingly detailed the strange markings thereon, which may have been made by an extraterrestrial collector. Who knows?
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yes war eagle and battlefield are the same person
i just won a lot from them they broke up lot 1247 from REA paid 840 for the lot got 2400 on ebay - ebay fees theyre making a ton i dont support them...but they certainly know what they are doing |
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I didnt buy card...ancillary piece from set..cards that were vg looks like he left alone...the exmt cards he calls mint
And maybe photoshops You can compare the cards in rea to his photos and see for yourself |
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Maybe that's the way to nail Al Capone ... oops I mean War Eagle ... oops ... I mean Battlefield. Cheers, Patrick |
Other examples have been shown here in this thread, but I thought this one was pretty telling. These Goudey Gehrig’s obviously look to be the same. Seems to be same standard operating procedure – purchase good looking previously noted, documented and/or graded as altered/trimmed cards, crack holders and represent them as mint, near mint, high-grade. All under the guise of prized collection, collecting all these years, hope you love them as much as I do, etc.
REA auction end of October; https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...e?itemid=46631 War Eagle auction ended 11/18; https://www.ebay.com/itm/LOU-GEHRIG-...p2047675.l2557 Second Gehrig, War Eagle auction ended 11/18; https://www.ebay.com/itm/LOU-GEHRIG-...p2047675.l2557 Quick note, the Hubble and Foxx are currently listed (presumably) from that same REA lot. Interesting, it would appear the Hubble that was initially sold in November (see link below) went to the same bidder (i***i 570) as the second Gehrig listed above. Since relisted - nonpaying, returned? https://www.ebay.com/itm/CARL-HUBBEL...cAAOSwvApaCnbJ |
This is disgusting. Someone should fry this mofo.
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I saw the stack of Wheaties cuts that they were selling and almost got sucked in. God knows what I would have paid for. Very slick looking crappy operation.
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A sincere "thank you" to all that have called this seller out. A card on my want list showed up today and I recognized that name immediately because of this board.
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BUT...someone had put together a really stunning collection though---there are some awesome rarely-seen wheaties boxes in that group---how Battlefield winds up listing them just goes to show us how life ain't fair... .. |
Makes me want to buy and return just to give a neg.
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they've sold two raw Mickey Mantle cards in the past month that fetched more than $10k. :rolleyes:
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...and the winning buyers won't know they've been "stuck" until they submit them for grading.
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I have won two auctions from war_eagle_vintage and was following some of his recent card auctions on eBay. I looked in Friday and saw they were all removed. I inquired with eBay and they informed me there is “potential fraud”. I searched sand found this informative board and decided to join. I have since requested returns of the two cards purchased from this seller and am awaiting his response.
I also had messsged the seller as to why his cards were removed. His response was “he reached his limit.” Ha! Thank you to all you kind folks for this information. |
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As of tonight, War Eagle has one card listed, a '55 Topps RC of 'Killer' Killebrew, one of my favorite cards of one of my favorite players. However, think I shall refrain from bidding. Hmm.
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Yep - he had > 400 cards that were delisted by eBay. One was a 52 Mantle with a pin hole top center that I was following as well as a near perfect centered 56 Mantle.
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1. I'm really surprised Ebay told you there was potential fraud. It just doesn't seem Ebay like to reveal that kind of info, or any for that matter. It's kinda nice to hear! 2. How can you tell if a card has been de-listed by Ebay or just pulled from the seller? Is there a way to see that? Thanks for contributing. I hope you get your money back on your two cards. If you suggest ANY issue with the cards you purchased, be sure to demand the seller pay your return fees. I did when the seller was formerly known as Battlefield and was promptly send a return label. Granted it took the full 15 days to get my refund and all of the cards were re-listed and sold again before I got my money back. But I got it back. |
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Well war_eagle_vintage accepted my returns of the two Willie Mays cards (1958 & 1960) I purchased from him on eBay. I will update once I have received the funds.
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Be sure to leave negative feedback once you receive a refund.
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Wow missed this one. I purchased 2 wheaties panels from this seller. Only post I saw was under ebay sales a member posted that a nice batch of wheaties was for sale... is this member somehow connected with this seller? I will update this when cards arrive. I won a Gheringer and Medwick with what looked like full borders.
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Lol I to was blown away by Wheaties selection. I have been looking for a Gehringer with a full border for awhile to display with my mini. The Medwick goes along with my NJ ballplayers collection.
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Got my 2 wheaties today they both have full borders no pinholes Gherringer is very nice Medwick has a back stamp from a kid in iowa.. but is fine with me .. BUT he should have let me know and will get a negative for that.
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