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Vintagedeputy 04-08-2025 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Domer05 (Post 2508570)
Very cool! Apparently, this F. Vanderherchen was a local nautical supplier in philly. They made canvas burgee flags, like this, for use on ships. So the A's must've called on them in 1914 to make their burgee flag for Shibe Park after the season ended.

I'm aware of no felt novelty pennant resembling this. I've never seen their name associated with felt pennants or novelty souvenirs, so ... I'm guessing none was ever made on felt?

My guess is that this was a special piece ordered by the team from this company with the intention of the pennant being flown outdoors and needing to be weatherproof. It would be interesting, I think to see if there are any old photos of Shibe Park, where the pennant is visible.

UKCardGuy 04-08-2025 04:32 PM

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A new arrival yesterday. Any guesses which pennant this origami mess is?

ooo-ribay 04-08-2025 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2508637)
A new arrival yesterday. Any guesses which pennant this origami mess is?

Looks like a big ‘un!

perezfan 04-08-2025 07:12 PM

Give us a little better peek at it, without giving it away!

UKCardGuy 04-08-2025 07:44 PM

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This is the worst bit and it needs a bit of a clean... but here you go.

thetahat 04-08-2025 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2508675)
This is the worst bit and it needs a bit of a clean... but here you go.

A beauty … the 1954 WS pennant from the mystery NY company. A tough one!

perezfan 04-08-2025 11:00 PM

Too easy, Gary! You probably could've shown just the top 1/4" of the "NY" and Greg still would have guessed it. I may have as well. :rolleyes:

Congrats on the pickup. An important pennant from a classic World Series that easily could have been inside the Polo Grounds the day Willie made "The Catch".

UKCardGuy 04-09-2025 02:15 AM

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I did think it'd take you guys all of about 10 seconds to guess it. But at at 3am, my patience for photo editing was not as good as it could have been.

I was more than a little disappointed how it was folded by the seller fortunately, it ironed out OK.

Here's the full pennant. A few condition issues but it's a pretty scarce pennant that I bought at a very reasonable price.

I'm guessing that this is one that can't be cleaned because the red would bleed through the graphics. Advice gratefully received.

ooo-ribay 04-09-2025 06:23 AM

You better just leave it alone. Some people might try to find a vintage white donor spine :cool: but others would cringe at that idea. :eek:

vintagesportscollector 04-09-2025 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2508675)
This is the worst bit and it needs a bit of a clean... but here you go.

Gorgeous! Congrats Gary.

Fballguy 04-09-2025 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2508720)
You better just leave it alone. Some people might try to find a vintage white donor spine :cool: but others would cringe at that idea. :eek:

No...Just take it off, bleach it and put it back on. Improves the appearance by 95%.

***Edited to add...At your own risk. Results may vary depending on the material of the spine.

ooo-ribay 04-09-2025 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy (Post 2508758)
No...Just take it off, bleach it and put it back on. Improves the appearance by 95%.

***Edited to add...At your own risk. Results may vary depending on the material of the spine.

I could get behind that idea.

thetahat 04-09-2025 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2508720)
You better just leave it alone. Some people might try to find a vintage white donor spine :cool: but others would cringe at that idea. :eek:

Co-signed. Leave it alone.

thetahat 04-09-2025 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2508707)
I did think it'd take you guys all of about 10 seconds to guess it. But at at 3am, my patience for photo editing was not as good as it could have been.

I was more than a little disappointed how it was folded by the seller fortunately, it ironed out OK.

Here's the full pennant. A few condition issues but it's a pretty scarce pennant that I bought at a very reasonable price.

I'm guessing that this is one that can't be cleaned because the red would bleed through the graphics. Advice gratefully received.

I know of four years when this unknown company made two-team WS pennants. 1954-1957. So this is the first and definitely the hardest to find. All are cloth, and the spine has a double ply tissue-like feel to it. Very strange and unique.

ooo-ribay 04-09-2025 01:49 PM

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Amazing condition for being 108 years old!!!

Wait....what?

I pick these up cheap, when I can. Question: is this a reproduction of an actual pennant or a flat out fantasy?

vintagesportscollector 04-09-2025 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2508676)
A beauty … the 1954 WS pennant from the mystery NY company. A tough one!

Slightly O/T...I really like the Chief Wahoo logo, one of my favorite. I have this AL team cap with all the logos. Based on the pennant championship crown on Wahoo’s head, and the other logos, I am guessing about 1955.

UKCardGuy 04-09-2025 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2508815)
Amazing condition for being 108 years old!!!

Wait....what?

I pick these up cheap, when I can. Question: is this a reproduction of an actual pennant or a flat out fantasy?

It's a really bad repro of this original pennant that I think was by RepCo. I only have this picture that someone posted from an old auction catalog. I'd love to see a better photo if anyone has one.

UKCardGuy 04-09-2025 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector (Post 2508847)
Slightly O/T...I really like the Chief Wahoo logo, one of my favorite. I have this AL team cap with all the logos. Based on the pennant championship crown on Wahoo’s head, and the other logos, I am guessing about 1955.

Joe, I really love that. A great piece. I think I'll be adding that to my ebay searches. Really nice.

ooo-ribay 04-09-2025 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2508864)
It's a really bad repro of this original pennant that I think was by RepCo. I only have this picture that someone posted from an old auction catalog. I'd love to see a better photo if anyone has one.

Thanks, Gary!

perezfan 04-09-2025 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2508864)
It's a really bad repro of this original pennant that I think was by RepCo. I only have this picture that someone posted from an old auction catalog. I'd love to see a better photo if anyone has one.

It was me that posted that photo from an early 2000s Mastro Catalogue. I lost out on that one, as it sold for well into 5 figures. I was able to secure this one, however a few years later. Not exactly the same, but very close.... pic is attached below, per your request.

I'll also attach a 1913 Frank Chance 1st year Yankees pennant, as it was likely made by same manufacturer. Sorry for the reflection... very tough to photograph these framed ones.

perezfan 04-09-2025 11:04 PM

Awesome Cap Joe!!!

Love those classic logos... especially the Batting Sock.

ooo-ribay 04-10-2025 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 2508922)
It was me that posted that photo from an early 2000s Mastro Catalogue. I lost out on that one, as it sold for well into 5 figures. I was able to secure this one, however a few years later. Not exactly the same, but very close.... pic is attached below, per your request.

I'll also attach a 1913 Frank Chance 1st year Yankees pennant, as it was likely made by same manufacturer. Sorry for the reflection... very tough to photograph these framed ones.

What the hell are those vegetable head figurines????

I find it interesting that you didn’t straighten the tassels on the Frank Chance pennant. “Keeping it real”?

vintagesportscollector 04-10-2025 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 2508922)
It was me that posted that photo from an early 2000s Mastro Catalogue. I lost out on that one, as it sold for well into 5 figures. I was able to secure this one, however a few years later. Not exactly the same, but very close.... pic is attached below, per your request.

I'll also attach a 1913 Frank Chance 1st year Yankees pennant, as it was likely made by same manufacturer. Sorry for the reflection... very tough to photograph these framed ones.

Amazing pennants Mark!! Any idea on the manufacturer? And, yes, those vegetable heads are interesting and may give me nightmares! ;)

Fballguy 04-10-2025 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2508938)
What the hell are those vegetable head figurines????

They look old. Obviously from baseball's salad days.

thetahat 04-10-2025 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector (Post 2508847)
Slightly O/T...I really like the Chief Wahoo logo, one of my favorite. I have this AL team cap with all the logos. Based on the pennant championship crown on Wahoo’s head, and the other logos, I am guessing about 1955.

Here’s a pennant with that graphic

thetahat 04-10-2025 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 2508922)
It was me that posted that photo from an early 2000s Mastro Catalogue. I lost out on that one, as it sold for well into 5 figures. I was able to secure this one, however a few years later. Not exactly the same, but very close.... pic is attached below, per your request.

I'll also attach a 1913 Frank Chance 1st year Yankees pennant, as it was likely made by same manufacturer. Sorry for the reflection... very tough to photograph these framed ones.

Mark, those are incredible. I’ve never seen either of those before …

perezfan 04-10-2025 09:55 AM

Thanks Greg... much appreciated, especially coming from you!

The Fruit and Veggie guys are Salt & Pepper Shakers. Anthropomorphic figures like these were popular in the 1940s and 50s. They are incredibly detailed and artistic when viewed in person. No need for nightmares.... it's just a friendly Bell Pepper, a Tomato, a Pear and a Peach. I'm a sucker for this "off the wall" kind of stuff.

But this is a pennant thread, so I'll get back on-topic...

Rob- The tassels on the Frank Chance Pennant are actually closed loops, so that's the best I could do with the framing. I could make a single cut with a scissors (to make it a pair of tassels) and nobody would have known. But I couldn't live with myself if I did that kind of sh!t. :eek:

ooo-ribay 04-10-2025 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 2508996)

Anthropomorphic

But this is a pennant thread, so I'll get back on-topic...

Rob- The tassels on the Frank Chance Pennant are actually closed loops, so that's the best I could do with the framing. I could make a single cut with a scissors (to make it a pair of tassels) and nobody would have known. But I couldn't live with myself if I did that kind of sh!t. :eek:

“Anthropomorphic.” Whoa! :cool:

Makes sense on the tassels. Can’t say I’ve ever seen that setup.

UKCardGuy 04-10-2025 01:13 PM

Wow Mark. Those are pennants are amazing. Thanks for sharing the photos.

Fballguy 04-14-2025 12:42 PM

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Hey…I’ve got an idea for a Hey Pennant Guys sub thread. Hear me out…

https://www.facebook.com/share/16FDh...ibextid=wwXIfr

vintagesportscollector 04-14-2025 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy (Post 2509746)
Hey…I’ve got an idea for a Hey Pennant Guys sub thread. Hear me out…

https://www.facebook.com/share/16FDh...ibextid=wwXIfr

Hey Rob, What’s the idea? maybe I am missing something?

Fballguy 04-14-2025 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector (Post 2509778)
Hey Rob, What’s the idea? maybe I am missing something?

Collegiate of Ames stuffed animals! Everyone knows they made amazing pennants...but the original Beanie Babies?

Talk about it...

Or maybe not....

ooo-ribay 04-14-2025 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy (Post 2509837)
Collegiate of Ames stuffed animals! Everyone knows they made amazing pennants...but the original Beanie Babies?

Talk about it...

Or maybe not....

Maybe you should start a thread and see how that goes. :rolleyes:

vintagesportscollector 04-14-2025 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy (Post 2509837)
Collegiate of Ames stuffed animals! Everyone knows they made amazing pennants...but the original Beanie Babies?

Talk about it...

Or maybe not....

I’ll bite. I like these stuffed guys. Here is "Leapin’ Lena” and “Lil Fritz", c1950.

vintagesportscollector 04-14-2025 08:13 PM

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Cornell had displayed in one of the libraries, briefly, different Class mascots. Each class would have a different mascot. These aren’t Collegiate Ames, although some maybe, but still very cool. The Penguin is Class of ’36, the Elephant ’26, the Turtle is an Ames Personality Pet - Class ’49, the Teddy Bear is actually ’08. Followed by a Class of ’56 Horse.

vintagesportscollector 04-14-2025 08:16 PM

Dr. Joyce Brothers’ Pet.
 
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This is Dr. Joyce Brothers ’47 personality pet - Lil’ Herbie.

Hankphenom 04-15-2025 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector (Post 2509851)
Cornell had displayed in one of the libraries, briefly, different Class mascots. Each class would have a different mascot. These aren’t Collegiate Ames, although some maybe, but still very cool. The Penguin is Class of ’36, the Elephant ’26, the Turtle is an Ames Personality Pet - Class ’49, the Teddy Bear is actually ’08. Followed by a Class of ’56 Horse.

Love these!

Hankphenom 04-15-2025 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector (Post 2509848)
I’ll bite. I like these stuffed guys. Here is "Leapin’ Lena” and “Lil Fritz", c1950.

So cute!

Fballguy 04-15-2025 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector (Post 2509848)
I’ll bite. I like these stuffed guys. Here is "Leapin’ Lena” and “Lil Fritz", c1950.

Really cool...I know Kyle alludes to these in his COA article but had never come across any. The old ones are especially cool. I wonder how many survivors are out there.

perezfan 04-15-2025 10:05 AM

LOVE these! The Horse, Elephant, Turtle, and especially the Penguin are awesome!

Would be so fun to try hunting these down... if only I was younger. Great stuff, Joe and Rob!

bocca001 04-16-2025 08:56 AM

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Couldn't pass this up, even with the missing bottom tassels. The graphics colors were just too good and the seller was willing to negotiate. For some reason, it seems like about 90% of the copies of this pennant are red. I now have red, purple, and black. Would like to find blue next.

perezfan 04-16-2025 12:49 PM

One of the absolute classics of the mid-century. Great pickup, Marc!

John1941 04-16-2025 12:58 PM

Just wanted to say: I neither collect pennants nor plan on doing so, but I love reading this thread. So much cool stuff.

ooo-ribay 04-16-2025 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 2510242)
One of the absolute classics of the mid-century. Great pickup, Marc!

Agreed...but the missing tassel must have given you a little shudder, Mark. :p

thetahat 04-16-2025 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2510288)
Agreed...but the missing tassel must have given you a little shudder, Mark. :p

I’ll add that only missing bottom tassels looks way better than only missing top tassels.

perezfan 04-16-2025 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2510288)
Agreed...but the missing tassel must have given you a little shudder, Mark. :p

Yes indeed.... but so typical of Trench pennants. Best artwork of the Golden Era bar none... but their seamstress was (for some reason) adverse to sewing the spine all the way down to the bottom. :confused:

Fballguy 04-16-2025 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2510288)
Agreed...but the missing tassel must have given you a little shudder, Mark. :p

That pennant is 10 seconds away from perfection.

No missing tassels > missing bottom tassels

ooo-ribay 04-16-2025 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2510290)
I’ll add that only missing bottom tassels looks way better than only missing top tassels.

Is this a well known fact? :p

Fballguy 04-16-2025 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2510355)
Is this a well known fact? :p

I think there's a support group for those who fret over tassels.

bocca001 04-16-2025 08:22 PM

I will find some matching vintage Trench tassels and maybe have my wife lightly sew them in.


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