Aha... the provided pic is rather small. Will search it on eBay... thanks!

Look N' See for yourself lol.

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He butchered those .....I know this set very well, borders were never meant to be that thin. Total disgrace from Newport Beach :-(

Moser is on his way to legendary status.
A true pioneer and villain of the hobby.

Cracks me up how PSA will deduct heavily for microscopic/miniscule paper loss. Yet when a huge percentage of the borders are hacked off, the card gets bumped up 3 grades. I guess that's not paper loss in their opinion. :confused:

Card looked far better as a "6", and some fat-walleted slabhead payed 113 times more for the "Mini" version. Imagine starting a thread... If you had $1,827 to spend on any card you wanted, what card would you pick?

The other part of that Look N See card. :eek:

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im screen shot dosnt do it justice, the border color just looks wrong to me

He is a cancer to the hobby. He will definitely do some time.

130K gain on this one from a little color filling on the top border and under the E in Henry and it looks like a couple of other places -- from the rough cuts must be the same card, not to mention someone who knows and I trust told me they were the same card.

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...a/7123-80860.s

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...a/7215-80321.s

Closeups. Sorry I am sure someone could do this better.

In PSA's defense, I'm not sure how anyone could detect those alterations. I'm looking at the two cards magnified and still would not be able to detect this one.

Unlike many of the recently exposed (and easily identified) hack-jobs, that one looks REALLY sophisticated. Some meticulous work by that particular Doctor.

Hard to believe it's the same card, but it undoubtedly is.

Was print also removed on Hanks Face Peter ? Or is that from the scans ? airbrush?

My question is what is happening at these PSA invitational Events ??? From what I’m told, from a good source, is that you get to discuss things on your cards with the graders !!! WTF......how can this be allowed to happen. It sounds like insider trading to me......another Rarely Mentioned Dark Secret of this Rigged Uber Crooked Industry .......:-(

This Dark Secret Should Also Be Displayed Along with the uncovered Dr. Cards in holders at every major Cards show.

It’s been said that less then one percent of the people know about the scandal and discovered outed cards....... this is one good way to make that percentage increase Drastically

Disgraceful and par for the course

This type of restoration work is common in the comic book world and the comic industry’s TPG leader CGC goes into great detail on this subject. I trust that CGC has true professional graders who can detect the most sophisticated work. PSA not so much. Comics are way ahead of the game in this restoration subject.

Safe to say if you get a great comic restoration professional working on cards it’s likely going to pass card TPG’s.

It's hard to tell from the scans, but I think it's probably a very light trim at the top, and maybe removing a bit of debris from the card, which might not even have been stuck on.

The second scan is a bit blurry, but counting the dots between the name and border gives 16 on the before, and 15 maybe 15 1/2 on the after. (Going from the right tip of the N)

If that bit below the name isn't just a few stray fibers and is a scratch, the work done is amazing. Recoloring the Orange wouldn't be all that difficult, doing that and fixing the dot pattern so it doesn't show is.

That's the point! They can't, with the current methods they use. So they should stop giving the impression they can. They won't (of course) which is why IMO high grade slabbed vintage cards is the colossal fraud it is.

I believe you're right. That little white portion below the "E" in HENRY had to be some stray paper or debris. I don't think there's any way that the orange/yellow dot pattern could be recreated so perfectly.

Oh, jeez. A $16 card turned into an $1,843 card. :eek:

So someone spends $55k on a card, cracks it, restores it themself or trusts someone enough to have it restored all without knowing FOR SURE that its going to get a bump in grade? :confused:

Why would you assume they don't know what grade they are going to receive?:confused:

To know what grade you are going to get from PSA would require someone at PSA to be in on the deal would it not?

Invitational

One Word Leaves Me Very Suspicious

Please read my last post for my theory

You really think CGC catches everything? Lol. Not an industry I know near as well as Sportscards but even I know that guys get stuff through the comic graders just like guys get stuff through the card graders. Hell sometimes it’s the same people.

We need a new thread of Mt. Rushmore of trimmed/altered cards.


The aaron would be there etc

How about a Mt Rushmore of the most crooked dealers and well known card doctors.

Gary's just doin' what comes naturally.

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That Annie Oakley Card is the most disgusting 9 I’ve ever seen. Cut short and majorly tilted ......how rigged is their opinion ? What line won’t they cross.....what won’t money buy...obviously all is fair game in this crooked industry.

There's no business like the card business.

Gary's a bad, bad man.

Peter - can the person who knows clarify if that is color filling or if it is some fibers that were removed? If that work is truly color filling, it is astonishing.

Of course instead of a mountain this would have to be located in a cave, closer to the fiery you know where.

Brian

It had to be paper fibers or external debris on the front of the card. That background dot pattern could never be replicated by hand. Probably an easy removal... stuff sometimes gets between the card and the holder.

As for the reverse.... the green background at/around the corners was filled in.

Can't they immediately see that the borders are waaaaaaaay thinner side to side, than top-to-bottom? This is about the 500th example, in which an immediate glance tells you its trimmed. Either PSA is spending ZERO time examining these cards, or someone there is in cahoots with these deceitful and shameless butchers.

Agree Bingo

Invitational Meetings with Graders....

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere's Johnny
 

Adams Jr., that is. Posted without comment.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1333320

So one of the hobby (or business) dinosaurs gets outed. I'm certain there are more.

I'd be curious to know how much of the database has been examined. Have they reviewed most of the cards already or are they just scratching the surface?

There are millions of graded cards and a significant portion likely is altered, although what that number is is anyone's guess. They (BODA) cannot possibly review even a fraction and for most of those no prior scan is going to exist. They've done a remarkable job to make as many connections as they have, but the vast vast majority of altered cards are IMO not capable of being outed by this process.

Wow another...... came from the coin Industry Always sneaks into shows instead of setting up and buying a table

Here is a link to the article that calls out alleged trimmers. There are links to other articles and pictures of alleged trimmers. It’s a quick and easy read. Worthwhile. I have no idea about the article’s accuracy and have no comment regarding same.

http://www.sportscardradio.com/anony...-trimmer-list/

I'm neither shocked, nor surprised. If accurate, it makes Operation Bullpen look like Child's Play.

Is this a new article? I had not seen it before, and do not see a date associated with it.

Thanks Ryan, for posting it.

No, it's from a few months ago.

fraud
 

Just unbelievable….and awful !

Yep, old news.
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...portscardradio

Right but according to the new Peter C., all of these cards value in question are under $10,000.00 so who would bother in filing a lawsuit so nothing to see here

At this point who believes PSA is not in on this at some level ???

Nothing will change....I’ve said this before they have a Teflon Non Stick Business.

PSA, Auction Houses, Major Dealers, and EBay sellers/ consigners will continue to make money hand over fist it’s all
Baked in.

People Are Hooked and Brainwashed by the slab/registry...altered or not it doesn’t Matter once it’s in a holder.

Nothing is going to change many don’t know, wanna know or care. It will blow over like it always has.

IMHO only a complete fool and it has been that way for a very long time. It is fun to watch all the people who make tons of $ off their slabs make excuses. Especially since most of them are in on "it".

Yes you’re right sir they do !!! They know it’s a racket.

Jake, I'm not sure what's more appalling: your lack of legal knowledge or your inability to comprehend written English. You literally have the legal knowledge of someone who has watched two episodes of Matlock. Why don't you tell us again how the FBI should start making arrests in order to further their knowledge of the card alteration scam.

Peter S. and I were actually wondering if you even have an office. And I don't mean your mom's house. Ever wonder why not a single attorney on Net 54 agrees with anything you say? I'll give you a hint why: it's because you are merely incompetent on your best day.

As for Peter Chao, you're probably the last person who should be denigrating him as his IQ is probably double yours. I mean really -- you have the balls to suggest Peter Chao isn't intelligent? You can't even put together a full sentence. Your work desk is the same one you studied for your Bar Mitzvah on.

PS I'm assuming insults are allowed now that you seem to have changed your tune on them.

Peter S. has spoken, I mean Peter C. (I stand corrected) You seem to have a great interest in my life

Why dont you say again how all of this involves cards under $10,000.00 so who cares...ill pull the quote for you.

plus are you insinuating i a a jew. (comment about bar mitzvah) Lets not get into the religious talk when its about card board. Yes the context does not look bad, but still, not sure why a high priced attorney would try his great wit even touching a religious theme.....and it doesnt matter what affiliation you are...you shouldnt go there..

Jake, can you try English? "are you insinuating i a a jew." Did you have a stroke while writing this? And as for being a Jew, I'm damn proud of it, it's no insult from me. The suggestion that you are still working out of your mom's house though I noticed you ignored.

Finally, if you're so upset about this purported non-scandal -- you claim that it's not a big deal because no lawsuits have been brought -- why don't you bring one on behalf of the many victims who have surely flocked to you due to your posts which reflect your legal acumen? Surely by now many victims who have lost more than 10K on trimmed cards would have called your mom's house looking for you.