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bocca001 11-04-2018 07:10 AM

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Love the fog, over the hills!

The bat at the end of the pennant looks like the bat at the end of these two. Kyle's blog post about Adflag having figures/images at the tip of the pennant (after the team name) made me wonder if these were Adflag, but it sounds like they may be too new. Does any other team have this same style? With the bat at the end?

Domer05 11-04-2018 09:12 AM

My impression is that the NFL single bar pennants were all made by Trench.

Also, as to Canteen Corp., I covered them in my Trench post. They were actually a concessionaire, not a pennant manufacturer. When you see their name on a pennant it is a concessionaire's mark rather than a maker's mark. And, this was a design element that, to the best of my knowledge, only Trench did (first with Sportservice, then ARA, then Canteen).

As some of the single bar helmet pennants have this concessionaire's mark, that seems to support the idea that Trench made these.

Fballguy 11-04-2018 10:12 AM

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My impression is that the NFL single bar pennants were all made by Trench.

Also, as to Canteen Corp., I covered them in my Trench post. They were actually a concessionaire, not a pennant manufacturer. When you see their name on a pennant it is a concessionaire's mark rather than a maker's mark. And, this was a design element that, to the best of my knowledge, only Trench did (first with Sportservice, then ARA, then Canteen).

As some of the single bar helmet pennants have this concessionaire's mark, that seems to support the idea that Trench made these.

Yes...Saw that. But the Canteen Corp pennants also have a different helmet on them compared to the usual single bar pennant. Do concessionaire's marks typically come with a unique design?

ooo-ribay 11-04-2018 03:53 PM

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On a different note, does anybody know who manufactured this one? (I'm borrowing the image from Matt Z's current eBay listing). From an artistic standpoint, I've always thought that this is one of the most ambitious pennants ever made. Lots going on visually, to say the least!

The "fog over the hills" was also on the Inaugural pennant. You know, the one some lucky bastard just scored for $165. :mad:

Fballguy 11-04-2018 10:28 PM

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The "fog over the hills" was also on the Inaugural pennant. You know, the one some lucky bastard just scored for $165. :mad:

The bat too...albeit a little to the left.

Domer05 11-04-2018 10:46 PM

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Yes...Saw that. But the Canteen Corp pennants also have a different helmet on them compared to the usual single bar pennant. Do concessionaire's marks typically come with a unique design?

Hmmm, I didn't realize there were differences in the single bar helmet pennants. Nor can I think of any reason for varying the designs of the helmets for pennants made for Canteen or any other concessionaire.

Maybe Trench modified or updated the design over the few years they used single bar helmets?

Domer05 11-04-2018 11:19 PM

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The bat at the end of the pennant looks like the bat at the end of these two. Kyle's blog post about Adflag having figures/images at the tip of the pennant (after the team name) made me wonder if these were Adflag, but it sounds like they may be too new. Does any other team have this same style? With the bat at the end?

I'm a little baffled as to who made these mystery Candlestick pennants. I have a few theories, but nothing I feel too strongly about at this time. Could have been Trench, based on the use of the "moon-lit batter" image on Rob's '62 pennant. Or, it's possible some other maker copied Trench's figure and inserted him on their Candlestick artwork.

One thing that stands out to me is the way the artist drew and painted the crowd. It almost looks like he/she used watercolors because the brush strokes appear very broad.

There's a Dodger pennant from ca. 1959 that seems to resemble these Candlestick ones in artwork, layout, etc. Note that the crowd is painted the same way: one color per seating section.

I'd love to know who made these!

Fballguy 11-05-2018 06:59 AM

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Hmmm, I didn't realize there were differences in the single bar helmet pennants. Nor can I think of any reason for varying the designs of the helmets for pennants made for Canteen or any other concessionaire.

Maybe Trench modified or updated the design over the few years they used single bar helmets?

You can see the differences in the Canteen picture below. There are no holes/snaps on the helmet giving it a plainer look and a skinnier one dimensional face mask. This is the typical image on a Canteen Corp pennant. The two pics above it are the standard single bar design that you see everywhere.

Interesting (to me anyway) that the top two have almost identical images, except the middle pennant has only 4 holes/snaps on the helmet...while the top has 5. Was that someone's way of making the image their own? Of the two, the top one is the newest...so in theory anyway would be the copycat.

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perezfan 11-05-2018 01:03 PM

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I'm a little baffled as to who made these mystery Candlestick pennants. I have a few theories, but nothing I feel too strongly about at this time. Could have been Trench, based on the use of the "moon-lit batter" image on Rob's '62 pennant. Or, it's possible some other maker copied Trench's figure and inserted him on their Candlestick artwork.

One thing that stands out to me is the way the artist drew and painted the crowd. It almost looks like he/she used watercolors because the brush strokes appear very broad.

There's a Dodger pennant from ca. 1959 that seems to resemble these Candlestick ones in artwork, layout, etc. Note that the crowd is painted the same way: one color per seating section.

I'd love to know who made these!

That is indeed a great question, and the Dodgers + Giants Pennants posted above appear to be made by the same mysterious company. I do know the following...

The Dodgers Pennant depicts the Coliseum. So it was made within the 1958 - 1961 range.

The Giants Pennant (with Cable Car towards the tip) was one that my Dad brought home to us in 1965. So the company responsible for both pennants was definitely producing these between 1961 - 65.

The paint on these pennants is different than Trench or AdFlag used. By nature, it is a thinner/cheaper/less durable looking paint. I think their process for applying the paint was different as well. And this "mystery company" seems to have used cloth exclusively, instead of the thicker classic felt material.

Attached is another Giants Pennant that my Dad brought home from the same game in 1965... he purchased it along with the Cable Car Pennant. This was the first pennant I ever owned, so I suppose the addiction started there. I wish I knew if he got it inside the stadium or from an outside vendor (I suspect the latter).

I've always though it was sort of a one-off, but it's easily possible that the same odd manufacturer produced this one as well.

ooo-ribay 11-05-2018 02:09 PM

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Attached is another Giants Pennant that my Dad brought home from the same game in 1965... he purchased it along with the Cable Car Pennant. This was the first pennant I ever owned, so I suppose the addiction started there. I wish I knew if he got it inside the stadium or from an outside vendor (I suspect the latter).

I've always though it was sort of a one-off, but it's easily possible that the same odd manufacturer produced this one as well.

Lower left of pennants; official Giants merchandise.


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