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ooo-ribay 07-30-2024 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2451156)
HUGE thanks to our friend Domer for making these incredible Pacific Coast League pennants available to me. The Venice Tigers date the group (two-thirds of the entire PCL) to 1913-15 and Marc has helped pinpoint to the same era from another non baseball pennant in this style. These are all 35” long.

They are already in their custom-fitted holders and up for display. If anyone somehow comes across either the LA Angels or Sacramento Solons from this series, kindly give me a holler.

So, those are real deal and not Biebesheimer repros? :eek:

ooo-ribay 07-30-2024 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Domer05 (Post 2451032)
Actually, I believe the pair dates to 1949. (Dodgers didn't win the pennant in '48.)

Interestingly enough, the Dodger companion pennant bears a copyright mark on it: "1949 H. Wohlke." The US Catalogue of Copyright Entries lists this mark as being associated with one Arthur Rand, presumably the artist responsible for the crossed bats and ball artwork. Unclear if the batter was included in the copyright.....

I haven't found much more on this Arthur Rand. "H. Wohlke" was Henry Wohlke, the apparent owner of the copyright. I suspect Henry Wohlke may have owned the company that made these pennants, but I have yet to confirm this.

Your research continues to blow my mind.

thetahat 07-30-2024 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2451173)
So, those are real deal and not Biebesheimer repros? :eek:

They are real and they’re spectacular …

MK 07-30-2024 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2451175)
they are real and they’re spectacular …

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UKCardGuy 07-30-2024 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy (Post 2451047)
Well...I think this pretty much confirms it. :D

Great info Kyle. Is it possible that Henry Wohlke worked for one of the pennant companies rather than having his own company?

ooo-ribay 07-30-2024 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2451175)
They are real and they’re spectacular …

Wow! I didn’t know Kyle was sitting on such a hoard.

Domer05 07-30-2024 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2451200)
Great info Kyle. Is it possible that Henry Wohlke worked for one of the pennant companies rather than having his own company?

Anything's possible. All we know is Henry Wohlke "claimed" (owned) the copyright. And, he's not credited as the artist.

He could have been the attorney that filed the copyright, on behalf of someone else? Most likely, he was some novelty operator that sold pennants in the New York City area.

What's really odd is that the copyright only appears on the Brooklyn pennant--and not the Yankees companion piece from the same '49 world series. Why?
It's the very same artwork!

perezfan 07-31-2024 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2451175)
They are real and they’re spectacular …

And just like the PCL Pennants, they measure up at 35" :rolleyes:

scooter729 07-31-2024 11:54 AM

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I was happy to add this circa 1910 oversized Red Sox pennant recently - I have a few Red Sox pennants from the same timeframe, but this one is a new favorite! Fits in great with some panoramics and other Red Sox items from that era!

thetahat 07-31-2024 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 2451374)
And just like the PCL Pennants, they measure up at 35" :rolleyes:

Missing tassels though …

MK 07-31-2024 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2451385)
missing tassels though …

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MK 07-31-2024 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by scooter729 (Post 2451380)
I was happy to add this circa 1910 oversized Red Sox pennant recently - I have a few Red Sox pennants from the same timeframe, but this one is a new favorite! Fits in great with some panoramics and other Red Sox items from that era!

Fabulous display!

Domer05 07-31-2024 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by scooter729 (Post 2451380)
I was happy to add this circa 1910 oversized Red Sox pennant recently - I have a few Red Sox pennants from the same timeframe, but this one is a new favorite! Fits in great with some panoramics and other Red Sox items from that era!

Wow, Scott. Very impressive. Got any others to share?

thetahat 08-06-2024 06:15 PM

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Recent acquisition. Is our resident Tigers collector here? I had never seen this before, have you?

Does not resemble any pennants from the companies we know.

ser1979 08-07-2024 07:01 AM

I've never seen this pennant before. The Tigers were good at using the same style Tiger and lettering across multiple pennants. I was unable to find a Tiger pennant that matches this style lettering or Tiger design.

thetahat 08-08-2024 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ser1979 (Post 2452570)
I've never seen this pennant before. The Tigers were good at using the same style Tiger and lettering across multiple pennants. I was unable to find a Tiger pennant that matches this style lettering or Tiger design.

Thanks … FYI it looks like it is very old but it feels more like 1950s.

mikecala98 08-08-2024 08:21 PM

Is this vintage, modern, fantasy? Only pic I have at this time.

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Vintagedeputy 08-09-2024 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mikecala98 (Post 2452977)
Is this vintage, modern, fantasy? Only pic I have at this time.

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Looks like this one, but that edging seems odd to me.

mikecala98 08-09-2024 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy (Post 2453021)
Looks like this one, but that edging seems odd to me.

Great! Found it in the book now also. It appears brown but the book shows blue. Is that normal fading? The edges look to be added after then for display purposes.

Fballguy 08-09-2024 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by mikecala98 (Post 2453024)
Great! Found it in the book now also. It appears brown but the book shows blue. Is that normal fading? The edges look to be added after then for display purposes.

Looks like it was made that way to me. And the brown is too brown to be from fading in my opinion. In what book can you see that the picture was blue? Egner's book is black and white.

mikecala98 08-09-2024 05:57 AM

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The Apple Books version of his book is color.

Fballguy 08-09-2024 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mikecala98 (Post 2453032)
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...db78b31a27.jpg
The Apple Books version of his book is color.

Cool...I didn't know that. In any event...It's a rare one. I haven't seen one before. Maybe someone here has.

perezfan 08-09-2024 06:31 AM

I've owned a couple of these. They came in dark blue and black. The ornate edging is original to the pennant, but the example in question has faded significantly. Probably the result of years of direct sunlight. Still, a pretty rare find.

mikecala98 08-09-2024 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 2453038)
I've owned a couple of these. They came in dark blue and black. The ornate edging is original to the pennant, but the example in question has faded significantly. Probably the result of years of direct sunlight. Still, a pretty rare find.

Will add pics shortly. I just went and bought it! Well loved but absolute beauty in person!!

bocca001 08-09-2024 10:30 AM

I've seen blue fade to brown in older pennants. I think Oooribay has a version of this for the NY Giants.

mikecala98 08-09-2024 10:50 AM

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Love that it is a different material than most pennants. Really great aesthetic.

bocca001 08-09-2024 11:18 AM

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Here is my best faded to brown pennant. I believe it started somewhere between blue and purple.

Fballguy 08-09-2024 12:45 PM

That's the most brown used to be blue pennant I've ever seen.

mikecala98 08-09-2024 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy (Post 2453130)
That's the most brown used to be blue pennant I've ever seen.

It almost looks like it was meant to be brown. The edge colors really pop in person.

And it feels like a potato sack.

ooo-ribay 08-09-2024 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bocca001 (Post 2453091)
I've seen blue fade to brown in older pennants. I think Oooribay has a version of this for the NY Giants.

a) I don’t think I do.

b) Made in ____ ?

c) get the iron out!

ooo-ribay 08-09-2024 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 2453038)
I've owned a couple of these. They came in dark blue and black. The ornate edging is original to the pennant, but the example in question has faded significantly. Probably the result of years of direct sunlight. Still, a pretty rare find.

Add it to your “Good Stuff I Used To Own” thread. :p

Vintagedeputy 08-09-2024 04:20 PM

NY Giants!
 
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New arrival. Seems like it’s taken forever to arrive. Paid more than I wanted to because people suck, lol.

Several references attribute the player to being Carl Hubbell, although unproven I guess. Fantastic condition with tassels intact. Egner’s book says it’s “Very Rare”. 3/4 size, 1930’s.

bocca001 08-09-2024 05:59 PM

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Love this NY Giants design. Here is mine. For some reason, the black version of this pennant has a really wide spine. Most other versions tend to have an especially skinny spine, although I have seen a green with yellow version that also has this really thick spine. I missed out on a teal version of this pennant with red tassels a few years ago that was gorgeous. I simply forgot to bid (nobody remind ooo-ribay about this).

Vintagedeputy 08-10-2024 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bocca001 (Post 2453212)
Love this NY Giants design. Here is mine. For some reason, the black version of this pennant has a really wide spine. Most other versions tend to have an especially skinny spine, although I have seen a green with yellow version that also has this really thick spine. I missed out on a teal version of this pennant with red tassels a few years ago that was gorgeous. I simply forgot to bid (nobody remind ooo-ribay about this).

Yours looks to be in really nice shape! Vibrant colors!

bocca001 08-10-2024 05:37 AM

Thanks. Yours too.

I think I've also see a purple version.

perezfan 08-12-2024 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bocca001 (Post 2453267)
Thanks. Yours too.

I think I've also see a purple version.

Yep…

Vintagedeputy 08-13-2024 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 2453911)
Yep…

That’s stellar! I’ve seen the two orange and black variations, but I wonder why they made purple?

bocca001 08-13-2024 09:24 AM

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Nice, Mark! That looks great. It almost matches the purple pennant I first posted a few months ago.

I'm not sure of the exact age of these pennants, but the purple was a color associated with the Giants before orange and black. I think they first used orange and black in the mid 1930s.

I'll try to find the teal version... which suggests that the pennant color may have had as much to do with available stock as opposed to team colors.

thetahat 08-13-2024 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bocca001 (Post 2453976)
Nice, Mark! That looks great. It almost matches the purple pennant I first posted a few months ago.

I'm not sure of the exact age of these pennants, but the purple was a color associated with the Giants before orange and black. I think they first used orange and black in the mid 1930s.

I'll try to find the teal version... which suggests that the pennant color may have had as much to do with available stock as opposed to teal colors.

Mini version, slightly different

bocca001 08-13-2024 01:24 PM

Mark- is your purple pennant full size? Or 3/4?

MK 08-13-2024 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bocca001 (Post 2453976)
Nice, Mark! That looks great. It almost matches the purple pennant I first posted a few months ago.

I'm not sure of the exact age of these pennants, but the purple was a color associated with the Giants before orange and black. I think they first used orange and black in the mid 1930s.

I'll try to find the teal version... which suggests that the pennant color may have had as much to do with available stock as opposed to teal colors.

I attended my first major league game in 1961. As great as watching the actual game was, equally as thrilling for me was if we arrived early enough to check out the many vendors outside the ballpark. I was always allowed one souvenir and what a tough decision. Anyway, my point to all this is I have never believed pennant makers were ever worried about the team colors, but did want a variety of colors as children always have a favorite color. Never once did I think about team colors when deciding on a particular pennant. Of course I’m sure the makers also used what they had on hand, but always bought a variety of colors so as to please all kids. As I recall, all pennants had at least 4 or 5 different colors to choose from and never once was my decision based on a teams colors.

perezfan 08-13-2024 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bocca001 (Post 2454027)
Mark- is your purple pennant full size? Or 3/4?

It is 3/4 size, just like the others. But unlike the purple pennant you recently posted, it's thick felt, as opposed to cloth.

Your purple pennant with orange tassels is the best example of that particular pennant I've seen. No fading whatsoever, and clean as a whistle. Not sure why, but that pennant is almost always found torn and tattered. Awesome find!

Domer05 08-13-2024 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MK (Post 2454033)
I attended my first major league game in 1961. As great as watching the actual game was, equally as thrilling for me was if we arrived early enough to check out the many vendors outside the ballpark. I was always allowed one souvenir and what a tough decision. Anyway, my point to all this is I have never believed pennant makers were ever worried about the team colors, but did want a variety of colors as children always have a favorite color. Never once did I think about team colors when deciding on a particular pennant. Of course I’m sure the makers also used what they had on hand, but always bought a variety of colors so as to please all kids. As I recall, all pennants had at least 4 or 5 different colors to choose from and never once was my decision based on a teams colors.

I could not agree more....:)

UKCardGuy 08-14-2024 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2357599)
New acquisition from 1937. Has “Charles Shear” tag on back. Does anyone have the “sister” Yankees version? I think there are a couple.

I know this post is over a year old....but I picked up this 1936 pennant with the Charles Shear tag on the back. I think I'm equally as excited by the tag as I am the pennant.

Duluth Eskimo 08-15-2024 01:59 PM

Nice pennant.

ser1979 08-16-2024 05:27 AM

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Excited to add this to my collection of Tiger pennants. It's not in the best shape and needs a little cleaning but overall I'm happy to have it, especially since I've never seen one come up for sale before.

ooo-ribay 08-16-2024 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ser1979 (Post 2454516)
Excited to add this to my collection of Tiger pennants. It's not in the best shape and needs a little cleaning but overall I'm happy to have it, especially since I've never seen one come up for sale before.

If you’re a team collector (and I think you are), you’ve gotta jump on stuff you’ve never seen, even if the condition is less than ideal. Great find!

perezfan 08-16-2024 09:40 AM

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Excited to add this to my collection of Tiger pennants. It's not in the best shape and needs a little cleaning but overall I'm happy to have it, especially since I've never seen one come up for sale before.

Looks like they "borrowed" the Cincinnati Bengals first year Tiger mascot for this one. They took the football out of his paws and lost the flying helmet. Makes sense in terms of the timing as well (1968).

Interesting, as the Tigers seemingly had endless Tiger designs to draw from (without having to steal from the lowly Bengals!) First time I've seen this one... great find!

thetahat 08-16-2024 11:44 AM

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Looks like they "borrowed" the Cincinnati Bengals first year Tiger mascot for this one. They took the football out of his paws and lost the flying helmet. Makes sense in terms of the timing as well (1968).

Interesting, as the Tigers seemingly had endless Tiger designs to draw from (without having to steal from the lowly Bengals!) First time I've seen this one... great find!

My favorite Tiger is the Slightly Disapproving Parent Tiger

thetahat 08-16-2024 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2454262)
I know this post is over a year old....but I picked up this 1936 pennant with the Charles Shear tag on the back. I think I'm equally as excited by the tag as I am the pennant.

Cool pennant. Not many dated pennants from the 1930s. Which raises a question. Why is it that there are so few identifiable pennants from the 1920s? Seems like there are many more from the teens than the decade that followed. It appears that it didn’t pick back up until the mid 30s.

Mark? Domer?


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