How many guys, meaning business, dealers/auction houses, with big adds on their website and in the SMR go to these Invitationals? I’m banking on all of them. Perfect Marketing to their big submitters with large exposure.

PSA=TEFLON

I don't doubt that Jeromy Murray takes care of his insiders too. I don't know what the company formerly known as Sportscard Guaranty Company does. Hopefully less of this.

10 bucks per card in the lot, or do they only charge for the cards graded? If the cards didn't get preferential treatment in the grade assigned I wouldn't have as much of a problem with this, but I'm sure they did.

There was talk on the board a while back about meetings with graders where preferred clients could argue their case when trying for a bump. This new revelation does not come as much of a surprise.

Ten bucks for the cards that are graded 10’s. And the grader sorts through the lot and pulls the tens. So you show up with 1000 cards, the grader goes one by one and pulls 600 that will grade 10, cost is 6k.

The whole process is preferential treatment, with no controls to prevent influence of the grader.

To the top part. I know PSA and SGC does this with bulk lots. You pay a flat rate per card and then pay the grading fee on the cards that meet your requirements. This is a win win for everyone if done honestly.

To the second part we had a company come on this forum a couple years ago and offer this service. Also not a bad thing if done honestly. I know I have got cards back from PSA that I knew should have had a higher grade.

another day, another 5K, what fun it is to get the stuffin beat out of you. Multiply this scenario by 25-30 crooked dealers, plus all the card doctors... plus 15 years and you have a 1 billion $ fraud, IMHO.

My friend the card doctor, he taught me what to do.
My friend, the card doctor, he taught me what to say.
he said that you'll be duped, when I sing this to you..

ue e oh ah ah, ting tang walla walla bing bang....

https://youtu.be/cmjrTcYMqBM?t=63

Classic.. Love the Witch Doctor!

Here’s another...

I need you to fix my card again
Turn my six into a ten
Doctor Doctor, give me the news
I need a numbered slab to come from you
Ebay’s gonna help me shill
It’s in a bad case, because of you

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QNLfQkHQlE8

Just had a card purchased of mine from eBay by one of the alleged trimmers. He has purchased from me in the past, always nicely centered PSA 7's. The card was recently graded. I guess he must just have a great eye for bumps.

Please tell us what card it is and post a picture, so we can watch out for it. If if shows up down the road in a higher flip and altered, we have good evidence of doctoring and cause to give to BODA who can turn over to authorities.

:D:D:D

AND today another 10K or so including this 57 Ernie Banks.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=399

A beautiful day for a ball game..."Let's Fake 2",

I love how people are happy to come on here and talk or complain about some eBay buyer or seller who did this or that, but do not disclose who that eBay buyer/seller is. In this case, Bbek is telling the board that a known card doctor bought his card, but discloses neither the buyer/doctor nor the card.

Bbek- your post is useless, and your failure to disclose the buyer or at least the card is tantamount to participating in card doctoring.

Ryan Hotchkiss

Maybe it is someone who outing will get you attacked on this forum, it's not like that doesn't happen.

If someone on this forum is a known card doctor, I think others on this forum should know. We should be helping each other out and protecting the hobby - not hiding the crooks and contributing to the cesspool

Agreed

Ryan,

You realize that user hasn’t been on the site for 24 hours, right? Perhaps give him a little time before suggesting he is participating in card doctoring.

I have attempted to forward the information to the party that actually has done the majority of the work in uncovering the current information. No, not you, but a different board altogether. I have no idea who you are but you obviously have some distorted thinking. I wanted to make the point that an individual who has been accused multiple times by this board is still actively buying. I assume he could care less about the accusations being made. Maybe they are attempting to bump the card or maybe something worse, I have no idea. You think that disclosing this one card to the individual who follows these cards religiously, but not you, is tantamount to being a card doctor and is useless? Think before you post and attempt to disparage someone publicly. They may actually be doing more good for the hobby than you and your egotistical, pompous innuendos. I apologize if I did not reply fast enough to your liking, I don't spend every waking hour on the board as if my life depends on it.

all well and good; you two can spat, it'll be fun to watch... but I'd still like to know the card and/or ebay user :)

And will you be blocking that eBay user from bidding on your cards going forward?

Ok, my bad that I did not give you time to respond, and thus prematurely jumped to conclusions. I apologize. But I, and I assume many on this board, would appreciate if you at least disclosed the card that was purchased by the doctor and the name of the card doctor (per my initial post), so that the community is aware that card could pop up later altered. I see no reason not to do this, especially if you know it was purchased by doctor. Regardless of whether you hate me.

Trimming
 

Just a general question about card trimming. I can understand how it can happen to the older cards. But how in the hell can trimming on a modern card not be detected, especially by professional TPG's ? Isn't the quality control on modern cards such that they are all exactly the same size ?

outed
 

Yes, Id love to see the info on the Doctor !!!

Besides the sports card radio and blowout is there a list of known card doctors from over the years ? If anyone could pm that I’d appreciate it.

You have been PM'd and the ebayer has been blocked.

They're a lot more accurate than they were. Many are actually die cut, so the card could be small or large, but all examples of the same card should be the same size.

BUT, and this is a big point.
Not all cards are die cut. And not all cards are even cut the same way on every side. Some Gypsy queen cards are a combination of die cut and knife cut.
I doubt any TPG even knows that, and have even less belief that they would check even if they knew.

Here's Johnny (Bench) on a $11K+ windfall......

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=6147

What a disgraceful waste of money. Not even a rare card.

Just wondering, is it possible to get the Bench card into another PSA holder with a different serial number without cracking the card?

Sure, ask for a review and if it gets a new grade it would get a new number.

I can’t blame PSA on this one. I can’t even tell knowing that’s it’s trimmed.

Thanks for the answer. Since that card is a PSA 10, it won't have a new serial number? Right?

Well no real reason to review a 10.

other than it's an inch short and rattling around the cage. :D:D very nice conservation right there. "Reviews" is my favorite new word :D:D:D:D:D to go along with Pops, flips, and my favorite....the lambsheer. another day another 10 K. People are re -TAr DED

Will the billion dollar fraud actually be tallied up by Boda or not? I'm betting they can do it because if I think it's a billion dollar fraud by my math, it is probably a 2 billion fraud when you take into consideration how long this grift has been going on.

Incorrect. It would retain it's current Cert number with PSA. It would likely get one of the new untraceable ones from SGC, though.

I have messaged about 50 card owners during this scandal. Received responses back from about 5.

The entire "review process" and creating unnecessary "half grades" are just new ways for them to generate more money and profits. They sit around in board rooms, discussing how they can potentially stick it to the public even deeper, and subsequently come up with these ideas (to the delight of their shareholders).

They create these wonderful new "services" under the charade/semblance of possessing enhanced capabilities. But it's really just about increasing unnecessary submissions and bilking the public. And the hypnotized masses buy into it hook line and sinker, because they seemingly need an overburdened minimum wage earning stranger to validate their cards.

Actually, looking at the before picture on my computer (vs. my phone) the edge looks off. It looks like it was trimmed before it was "conserved".

And the fools that would pay $11k for that card are the crackheads that enable/motivate these drug dealers/card doctors.

The industry has been completely overblown smoke and mirrors in terms of sales/pricing since 2015........I believe little to non of the sold numbers......it’s going to come back down .....it always has to some extent. The correction will only get deeper, and much deserved.

NFL player Evan Mathis and Sean Bassik are currently being outed on Blowout.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1340211

Edit: Clarify that Sean is listed as a seller of Evan's presumed altered cards and those from another trimmer.

:)

Say it aint so, Joe. Did he trim the Mick?

What next? Santa Claus isn't real?

Fair, but of the cards look the same how is one a 10 and the other an 8? They either suck at what they do or they are giving favours to submitters like PWCC

Hey he only earned 25 million during his career. He has to put food on the table...

I was just going to say, it's amazing what money does to some people.:mad:

He bought 10 packs (cost 20 k) from a big '86 Fleer basketball box break a couple years ago. Didn't even get a Jordan, but that's beside the point. If the guy was regularly risking that kind of money with such a low EV, the money would go pretty quick

I believe the Mick was graded many years ago, and he bought it that way.

Hoping that Sean is just fencing bad cards he didn't realize were altered.

Agree on both comments above about Sean. No way he would be involved with this. Stand up guy who just flips collections.

I know Sean pretty well and do not believe he will be found to be engaged in fraud. Any one of us could accidentally sell a bad TPG graded card which we didn't know was messed up.

aaaaaaaand...the cycle continues.

The collateral damage in terms of price value to graded cards is going to Significant.

One can hope...

This should be its own thread.

I have dealt with Sean and he was a stand up guy. I fear he may be guilt by association. Regarding Mathis, I did one deal with him - I traded him a Manning and Brady rookie for a PSA 8, Allen and Ginters, Cap Anson, which I consigned to PSA (and got killed on). I hope that 8 wasn’t jacked - I don’t think it was - but based on the thread, I am afraid the Manning and Brady may have since been worked on and recirculated (zero clue or indication that they have). I will try to find pics of the Manning and Brady when I owned them to post.

Full disclosure, I am a broncos fan :(

Edited - here is a link to a pic of the Manning I used to own. I cannot find the Brady:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/156271...7689561527103/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/156271...7689561527103/

It will....

you mean the 2.8 million dollar one LOLLOL...nah, just popped reviewed and flipped with conservation when he was 12.

It's just a $3 million dollar beat between friends.

He sold a fake 400K Brady too. :) That's what scammers do... They scam.

we'll that's true, considering at least half are fake, IMHO

Settle down, Chuck :).
I prefer to use the half glass full terminology and say most of TPG graded cards are good. :eek:
This whole debacle has just made it so much more relevant to not buy the holder and KNOW your cards, yourself.

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There should be a grading company that simply assesses authenticity. No "grades". Just tell me if it's real so I can be 100% sure I'm not buying a reprint online. Beyond that. Every buyer can make their own determination on condition. At least then all the fraud would be above board.

I woke up this morning to a text from a gentlemen I've dealt with in the past bringing this thread to my attention. It is not too pleasant to spend a couple hours in the morning reading false accusations and needing to study hundreds of replies via multiple sites to issue a statement.

I am quite irate because an anonymous individual has made an erroneous assumption that libels my and my companies name, assumes guilt by association, and is counterfactual.

Evan posted on the reddit thread, "There is so much misinformation in that thread that it’s entertaining." I would not call it entertaining, the words that come to mind are bothersome and alarming. The post involves me without facts, making stretch assumptions, and objectively false statements.

Invest In Baseball was hired by Cardology for the 2018 national to assess collections and market for inventory via our customer base and other means. IIB did not set up a booth and I worked the floor and out of the Cardology booth to help assess collections, ensure he was making fair deals, bring deals to the table, and help some lesser educated staff because of limited bandwidth. This buying ad is identical to the buying ads that were placed throughout the industry, sent to our email list, and was not conducted any differently than usual business other than I was hired, at a very handsome rate, to help Cardology.

I was actually extremely excited to be working with an NFL player, a Super Bowl champion at that. I am 100% sure every single person who has a business would be willing to work with someone who offers a huge advancement for your company via name association alone. Evan has always been cordial, stand-up, and follows through with his word. If it weren't for him I would not have been able to grow IIB as quickly as it did and I am eternally grateful. I make no comment on any of the accusations or assumptions made about him in the Blowout thread and only provide comment on the unfounded accusations relating to myself and IIB.

Via the anonymous posters definition, PWCC, Probstein, and COMC are all associates of Cardology-- they sold inventory. It is unwarranted to list IIB as an associate because the company was hired to work for Evan and unknowingly sold cards on consignment. I am sure there are hundreds of other vendors, auctions, and collectors who have unwittingly sold altered cards, by this posters definition he needs to research them and list them as associates.

Respectfully, I request that I be left out of this. I've mostly moved on from this industry for two years as a business and buy on the side as a hobby to populate my house and enjoy the past that brought me to where I am today.

Kind Regards,

Sean

Likely both, IMO.

It looks good for PSA's public perception that everyone sends them their "high end" cards. What a sham.

Shades of Latrell Spewell.

90% of these sold prices at auction with certain Ebay Consigners and or Auction Houses since 2014 have been FAKE TOTAL BS......MARKET MANIPULATION ON TOP OF DOCTORED CARDS......WORSE IS MY BIGGEST FEAR THAT THE TPG'S ARE ALL IN ON THIS....THE CAN OF WORMS HAS BEEN OPENED UP.........IT"S UGLY.....A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD A TON OF MONEY in 2010-2012 Then Why All the sudden late 2013/2014 the stuff went crazy....BULL S**T WHY because of so called INVESTORS ??? WERE THEY FAKE?? HELL YES... THAT'S WHEN THIS ALL STARTED.......
WHAT A TOTAL DISGRACE

That's more like it, you're right. Half are probably real!!

I'm usually not that negative, believe it or not:D

plus one

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/cri...rts/e/58063788

These guys do a great podcast. GO Latrell!!!!!!!!!

AMEN!

I've been saying this exact thing for years. But nobody cares or agrees...

They're all too caught up in their Pops, 9s and 10s. I guess that somehow a third party randomly assigning a number grade (right or wrong) gives them a high of sorts.

Would love to see it all come crumbling down, but am not holding my breath.

Is there a prize for the most people posting a row on one's ignore list?

I'd consider it a badge of honor to be on that list. :D

Not quite there yet!

:)

Just a question out of curiosity.... Obviously almost everyone agrees that selling a card that has been altered without disclosing it is wrong. Do you think that if you have a card that has been graded and you crack it out of the slab and sell it raw that you have an obligation to disclose what the grade was?

Only if you know it's altered.

Otherwise, no obligation, as it's just arbitrary anyway. The buyer of the card can just judge it for themselves. No "expert opinion" or randomly assigned number is necessary!

A seller should give honest, informed information and represent the card accurately to the buyer. As grading is subjective and sometimes wrong and buyers often pick cards that are wrongly graded, that doesn't make disclosing the previous professional grade required. But a seller knows what information is and is not relevant and important that should be disclosed.


If you're selling "as looks like Mint" an ExMt card that was previously graded as ExMt that's deceptive, but that's so misrepresenting the card whether or not one should disclose the professional grade.

I see plenty of people selling cards on websites, ah's, Ebay and even here that will say something to the effect of "looks better than the grade". As you noted, grading is subjective so if Joe Blow pulls a card that was ExMt from a slab and advertises it as "looks like mint", maybe it does. As long as it has a good, quality picture, the buyer should make that determination. We push the saying "buy the slab and not the holder". I never hear someone have a slabbed card in a 7 advertise it as "Well, it's in a 7 holder but only looks like a 4 to me".
I agree with you that as a seller I want to be as accurate and up front as I possibly can be with any card that leaves my possession because that it my name, my reputation on the line.

Hi Ted.:D

Now if someone will quote this Ted can see it.:rolleyes:

Does anyone see a good long term outlook of this?

For me it’s going to take Until most of the money comes out of all this.......

It’s all cyclical..........Here is what I see envisioning happening........

No TPG’s will be held accountable.....their options become less valuable......doesn’t matter my mind is made up, their complicit, extremely inept, and or way worse .......

No Trimmers will do jail time.......no auction houses will do jail time.....
Repeat cycle 10-15 years down the road
You can only polish a turd so long......it’s still and will always be a turd .....very said. Prayers for something positive in 2020 for this crooked industry

I love Ted, such a kidder. double blocked. Rats

:DNo such luck