Speaking of 1970, #295 Cecil Upshaw, Team Name in Orange. The charcoal border, fakes? never seen them before. any PSA?

Cool color variation on the team name. I looked at several and it appears to be very common with that card.

I have a few of the darker(charcoal) colored borders. I have never seen them sell for a premium but I have never seen anyone try to either. I am sure if you pointed it out in the listing/title someone would pay a premium for them. I have seen myself and others pay a premium for much less.:D

I have a handful of the charcoal colored borders also, while not necessarily common, I have never seen any of them sell for a premium (yet)....

After a quick look at my 1970 set binder, I only have a #3, Chaney, and a couple of Leaders cards with the 'charcoal' look to them.

I have this one, (top left) although it is raw and was purchased like that, I personally never questioned the authenticity, but maybe I should have?

I 100% would not be concerned with it. Surely, they are just printing anomalies. I'm pretty certain I have others in my dups piles, too.

Agree with Darren. I have a couple of darker ones in my set as well.

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I dunno, I had this set and have looked at many 70 BB, and only recently did I see these clearly darker borders ones, I don't think they are all that common. I'm not sure the one posted by Irv is the charcoal I am referencing

The charcoal 1970 cards I have are numbered from 106 or lower....does anyone else have any cards numbered higher?

In a collection I bought a couple years ago there was 15 1970 cards and 5 of them are the dark charcoal color. The dark ones are 387, 418, 430, 437. and 438.

If anybody would like to put together a complete set of the extremely rare and highly desirable cards let me know. I would sell my 5 for an extremely outrageous price.:D

Here is a picture of one of my darker charcoal colored 1970 Topps cards for a color reference.

When I purchase it, along with some others, being a fake didn't even cross my mind as I just assumed it was real. It cost me peanuts, and like you, JollyElm, I also don't think it is fake as I personally don't see someone going to the trouble for that card.

Mine isn't as dark as some posted here, MT, so you're likely right that mine isn't one you are referring too?

1957 #380 Cooper
 

Notice the red mark in the upper left area, even with the top of hist cap. This is recurring and there were at least 5 on COMC. I did not check eBay.

Walker
 

Isn't that the upper right corner?

Depends on your point of view :-)

I put my 1970 Charcoal borders in the BST section. I also added a bunch of eBay like comedy to the listing for your reading pleasure.:D

Black dot above Mick's hat on border?
 

Being since I have noticed this on a few cards, I assume the black dot/ink mark above Mick's hat on the upper border is common knowledge?
Some have it, some don't.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1956-TOPPS-b...EAAOSwAO9ZTZRv
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1956-Topps-13...cAAOSw8d5ZUd-i
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1956-Topps-1...19.m1438.l2649

Any reasons/info why and does it hurt value any?

Great Dale, not enough that variant guys have to deal with 2 of the 52s and 3 of the 67s, now you give us 2 of the 56s...thanks:eek:

:D

Has this never been discussed before, or has it been discussed to death already?
I have always loved this card and would like to purchase one sometime soon (if that's a current great idea?) so that is what I noticed while educating myself.
I did do a search about the black dot but came up with nothing. I know the Mays and Robinson printing dots/spots on the 52's have been talked about, discussed before, but I couldn't find anything about this Mantle one?

On the 52s I know about Robinson, what is the Mays ?

The Mays ink dot is on the back left part of the card. I forget if all of them have this or just some, however? (bottom left)

Another Mantle with the same spot/ink dot.
The one beside it doesn't have it so I assume there were different runs of this card?
https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...Auction-120115
https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...Auction-120115

At the risk of Al mocking me endlessly for wandering into this thread (Hi Al!), here is a scan of my 1970 Topps #454 Ron Santo AS card. Note the orange background on the "ALL-STAR" square. I'm going to go look for other examples, but I figured I'd share first.

https://caimages.collectors.com/psai...S_Original.jpg

Found another. I'm sure that the next post will be "Wow, stupid. Have you not read the previous 82 pages of this thread where all we've done is talk about the oh-so-common 1970 Topps orange Ron Santo variation. Geez Louise." It will be as if my post was on the U.S. postage stamp message board and I started with "Have any of you ever heard of a stamp with an upside down aeroplane?"

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/uuYAAO...k5/s-l1600.jpg

Nice find Bob on the orange vs red box....now I will have to go check my copies.

I do think Bob only wanders in here when he is between bridge tournaments.

Bob-- where does the term Geez Louise come from anyway ? Do you watch Thelma and Louise a lot ?

I don't know where it's from, but it's way older than the movie. I wonder if it's a regional thing? I've heard it pretty much my whole life from older family members.

Steve B

I had a friend from my first job (yes, I actually have friends) who was very religious but said "Cheese and rise" rather than J.C. That always amused me. :rolleyes:

71
 

I just bought a nice lot of (500) 1971 BB cards, any expensive/rare variation I should look for?

I wouldn't categorize any of the 71 variations as rare or expensive....most are plentiful IMO

Below is a list of 70s variations that Richard Dingman maintains:

https://sites.google.com/site/richar...ns-1970---1975

From that list, it sounds like there are orange-box variations for all of the '70 All-Star cards. So much for my discovery..... :o

Bob, Richard's list was updated AFTER your discovery....again, nice find. None of my 70 AS's have the orange box...something else to chase.

1971
 

I have heard rumors of a 71 Munson with his name in white, but have not seen it or know, if it exists, whether it is a faded or altered card.

Also---Richard reports a 59 Hank Bauer with name in yellow, and George Vrechek had a picture of one in an article ( I think) in SCD. Anyone else have or seen these two ?

1960 #6 Berberet
 

I have two of the version on the bottom with the white slash and have seen more on eBay and COMC. Therefore, it is recurring.

I tried finding a second copy of this guy, but no luck. I even checked Richard Dingman's list, no luck again. Anyone else have a squashed-white-bug 1959 Topps Jackie Brandt card?

http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/mi...s297Brandt.jpg

I think it is a white smashed bug

I stand corrected. :rolleyes:

Bob, you have completely mis-labeled the Brandt card....that is the 'pigeon flew over and took a crap' Brandt variation. ;)

Don't encourage him Don

variations
 

Guys,
I do try to follow this thread and update my online webpage lists every few days.
However, I am still a working Joe and often am pressed for time.
Thanks for all of your searches and discoveries!
Lots of fun!
Richard Dingman
https://sites.google.com/site/richarddingmancards/

No one is complaining Richard. Your lists are an incredible resource for the 9 people who collect these things, including me :)

Just looking at these 52 Topps panels in the current Huggins and Scott auction, I noticed, which made wonder how it happened seeing them altogether like they are, the missing border card of Campos and noticed no red print line on the Cloyd Boyer card?
https://www.hugginsandscott.com/cgi-...l?itemid=19437
https://www.hugginsandscott.com/pl/1...ncut_panel.jpg

There are other 52 Topps panels in the auction as well, and you can clearly see why lots of these cards are/were mis-cut.
https://www.hugginsandscott.com/cgi-...l?itemid=19435
https://www.hugginsandscott.com/cgi-...l?itemid=20020

Some nice pieces available, and, with my limited knowledge about them, some pretty decent/cheap prices, so far, with them.
https://www.hugginsandscott.com/cgi-...l?itemid=19440
https://www.hugginsandscott.com/cgi-...l?itemid=19441

Nice find Bob on the Brandt card.


And, as always Richard, thank you for maintaining your list of these cards. I really like the date you added to the list...very helpful.


Found these two 65s....the print spot under Ridzik's arm is recurring but limited. The multi colored horizontal lines across Alex's left arm are recurring also, but do not appear to be quite as limited as the Ridzik print variation.

Lol.
Thanks Al and Sammy.
The "9" of us are a small, intense but serious and important voice in the community.
More additions to the lists coming in the next few weeks as I recover from the National.
Best of everything to all!
Richard D

trades?
 

While I am sorting cards and listing variation dupes I am acquiring, I am thinking maybe we could be doing some trading of variations.
Anyone interested, check out my webpage tradables and look for the variations I have been listing.
I have a bunch and more to come in coming weeks.
Richard D
https://sites.google.com/site/richarddingmancards/home

Another who-dunit
 

Like the 72 Jerry McNertney card with varying degrees of finger prints showing, I came across another similar card. This time it is the 71 Topps 32 Jerry DaVanon card. One copy I have (the left) has a very obvious hand/thumb print along the left edge while a second copy (right) has a less obvious print appearing. The red line that appears on Jerry's left shoulder is also recurring...limited, but not as limited as the cards with the print/partial print. A two-for-one print variation card.

Awesome find Larry, I will have to get one for my fingerprint card collection. I am up to 6 or 7 different ones now.

Surely there is a market opportunity here for some guy to start making finger print variants at home. :)

Thank you Ben....what are the different ones you have....I seem to remember a 63 McCovey???



Found this one a while back, but never found a match....it looks like Joe forgot to shave the lower left half his face in this print variant:

Finger Print Cards
 

I was thinking last night there should be a tv show where a guy looking through his cards notices a finger print on one, like the McNertney or Da Vanon , and he knows a guy in law enforcement and for grins asks him to run the print and it turns out to be a match for a known serial killer who has been active for years. And then.......