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Quote:

Originally Posted by botn (Post 1658382)

Hi Ted,

........ The post by Troy Kirk shows a box that contains movie star cards with the clipped/rounded corners.

You suggested in this thread the corners were clipped/rounded on the baseball issue for inserting with the bread so would you conclude that these movie stars cards may have been distributed the same way and would that make these a 1947 issue as well?

Thanks,
Greg

Hi Greg

I don't recall saying the cards of the Movie Stars issue had "rounded corners". The 12-card box (with Lucille Ball) shown that you are alluding to contains square-cornered cards.
The window of this box has beveled corners (not the cards in it). Here are some of my Movie Stars cards. My research indicates that these cards were issued circa 1949-1950.

https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...viestars10.jpg

TED Z
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Hi Ted,
That is my point. The link I included in my post to you contained a post by Troy who has these movie star cards in box and the cards have rounded/clipped corners. The movie star cards you showed do not.

Here is a picture of a friend's boxed sets. These cards all have clipped/rounded corners. In fact he listed the singles on ebay. Here is a link to one of the cards that came out of those boxes. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Judy-Garland...4AAOSwdI9Y8Twg
Thanks,
Greg

Greg

I have to tell you this....I'm somewhat suspicious of these Movie Stars cards. Here is the seller's comments..........

" I will be breaking down a full 48 card high grade set ..this set is hard to find in any condition let alone in such exceptional shape.

This is the only set i've ever had of these cards and i've only seen a few singles pop up here and there.

At the end of the card listings i'll be listing the original 4 colored boxes in separate auctions...don't miss out on those ever rarer boxes.

These cards were issued in the late 1940s or early 1950s by A.J. Wildman & Son Titled "Screen Star Subjects"

card measures; 21/4 x 3 7/16 " with blank backs...the backs are clean unless specified.

These cards are seem very similar to the Bond Bread cards made of sports cards which were made in 1947 and fetch a pretty penny.

Please examine scans and ask questions...i will point out any flaws not seen on the scan.

After some discussion in the hobby it appears these may in fact be Bond Bread cards.

They are the same size,card stock,shape as the Baseball cards issued in 1947 which also were issued in 12 card boxes. "

I don't know of anyone who pulled Movie Star cards out of Bond Bread loaf packages in 1947. Furthermore, the beveled corners of his
Movie Stars are unlike those of the original 1947 BB cards (whose corners were factory die cut). And, it absolutely does NOT make any
sense (if these cards were marketed in the 12-card packs) for them to have beveled corners.

Something does not jive here. Unless they were hand trimmed to resemble the 1947 issue, so he (or someone) could jack-up their price.

Incidentally, the 48 square cornered BB cards (circa 1949) were marketed by "Sports Star Subjects" in those four 12-card packs.

TED Z
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Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 1658609)

Hi Ted,

I bought a partial set of the movie star cards with the rounded corners. They are factory cuts. There are 3 non sports guys who have cards or sets with the rounded corners and in all cases those cards did come from those boxes. I will have to compare the cuts on the movie stars to the baseball cards as I have both. They appeared exactly the same to me when I first looked at them that I never gave the corners another look.

Thanks,
Greg

Ok so I had asked about these cards a while back mine are exhibit sized but have a cardstock cardboard backing. Not white or beige and pretty thick with what I would call a semi gloss.

http://www.thetoyheaven.com/images/i...s/exhibits.jpg

http://www.thetoyheaven.com/images/i.../bondbread.jpg

This is a list of the cards I have.

Here are the 17 common cards
(3)* Ewell Blackwell
(4)* Lou Boudreau
(6)* Harry Brecheen
(9)* Bobbie Doerr (Bobby)
(11)* Bob Elliott
(12)* Del Ennis
(13)* Bob Feller
(16)* Joe Gordon
(19)* Tommy Holmes
(24)* Ken Keltner
(26)* Ralph Kiner
(30)* Johnny Mize
(33)* Johnny Pesky
(36)* Aaron Robinson
(38)* John Sain
(39)* Enos Slaughter
(40)* Vern Stephens

Then 7 more uncommon cards
(20) Larry Janson (Jansen)
(21) Sheldon Jones
(22) Edwin Joost
(27) John Lindell
(28) Whitey Lockman
(41) George Tebbetts
(43) Johnny Van Der Meer (VanderMeer)

I also have the Walker Cooper that isn't listed on old cardboard.

James G

You've got a ways to go for the set.

http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibit...20Williams.jpg

(I never get tired of that one...)

No one knows much about the issue, despite all the sharp card researchers here. Best guess is it was the same art licensed to someone other than the bread folks. Like the perforated cards from Elgee

http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibit...son-Cagney.jpg

(never get tired of that one either)

Images don't show anymore, unless you pay Photobucket $399.00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archive (Post 667465)

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisIt was the Summer of '47....my sister and I carefully opened up Homogenized Bond Bread packages, for a Joe DiMaggio, a Ted Williams, a Stan Musial, or the new rookie sensation....a Jackie Robinson BB card. Our Mom couldn't buy enough of the Bond Bread loafs. So, we had our Dad buying Bond Bread for his restaurant and our Aunt buying Bond Bread. In the Fall of 1947, we experienced one of the most exciting World Series ever played. 1947 was a tremendous year for BB, and a great start for me in the wonderful life-long hobby of col- lecting BB cards. These B/W cards were really popular with the kids in our neighborhood. By trading & sharing our collections with each other, we eventually realized that there were no more than 44 BB players and 4 Boxers in a complete set. 1947 Homogenized BOND BREAD wrapper <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/bondbreadwrapper.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> Many cards in this set are the very 1st (or rookie) cards issued of the players. Shown here are the 1st cards of Yogi Berra, Stan Musial, Jackie Pobinson, Gil Hodges, Ralph Kiner and Bobby Thomson. <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/1947bb6rookiestars.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> This set has been the source of much confusion in the hobby for many years. The only true 1947 Bond Bread cards are these 48 in this general set and the Jackie Robinson set. All of which have beveled (or ROUNDED) corners in order to fit into the bread loaf packages. Unfortunately, other issues that resemble the Bond Bread cards that were issued after 1947 and were never packaged in Bond Bread loafs have been mis-identified as "1947 Bond Bread" cards. Grading Co. have been most guilty of erroneously labeling these SQUARE "imposters". Shown here are two cards from the 1949 (unknown) issue which includes 24 of the BB players depicted in the 1947 Bond Bread issue and an additional BB player (or 2). Also, many of the popular Movie Stars of that era were included. These cards may have been printed by the same firm that printed the 1947 set. However, their SQUARE corners and their inferior cardboard stock belie the fact that these cards are NOT related to the "1947 Bond Bread" issue. A recent find of many of these SQUARE cards (BB and Movie Stars) suggest a 1949 issue date since Walker Cooper is depicted in this col- lection as a NY Giant (Cooper was traded to Cinci in the Summer of '49). 1949 (unknown) issue <img src="http:///albums/tt113/zanted86/1949cardsrizzutostewart.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> A 1947 Bond Bread Team/checklist will follow in the next post here. TED Z

Like magic, my 1st post images have re-appeared. I'm in the process of gradually transferring my images to another system.

TED Z

T206 Reference
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Jackie Robinson round corners

Ted-Are all the Jackie Robinson cards round cornered? I've only seen one card (portrait) with round corners, all the rest have square.

I've got a nice SGC 80 Berra to share but I guess I'm missing a security token so I can't upload the image. But it looks great. I'm doing an interpretative dance right now to describe it so you can all picture it in your heads.