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Prince Hal 02-05-2019 07:27 AM

1962 Jello
 
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I picked this up many years ago. It has printer marks on the edges which might indicate it is a proof of some kind.

tedzan 02-18-2019 03:55 PM

Show your Tobacco, Candy, Gum, Bread, etc. advertisement pieces
 
4 1/2" x 5 3/4" Cigarette compact


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...actOLDGOLD.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...tOLDGOLDbk.jpg




Compact open....and it's empty....all 50 cigarettes went up in smoke :)

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...LDGOLDopen.jpg




TED Z

T206 Reference
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tedzan 05-02-2019 05:26 PM

Show your Tobacco, Candy, Gum, Bread, etc. advertisement pieces
 
I not aware of any premium inserts associated with this brand which would have been issued circa 1887-1888.
It's a pretty pack, however.
Perhaps some 19th Century expert on this forum may chime in here with some information.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...sCameoPack.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ameoPackBk.jpg



TED Z

T206 Reference
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bobfreedman 05-03-2019 04:20 PM

Wagner
 
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Glad to add this

canjond 05-03-2019 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 1874555)
I not aware of any premium inserts associated with this brand which would have been issued circa 1887-1888.
It's a pretty pack, however.
Perhaps some 19th Century expert on this forum may chime in here with some information.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...sCameoPack.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ameoPackBk.jpg



TED Z

T206 Reference
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Ted - non-sports cards would have been issued with Dukes Cameo(such as the F62s). Duke manufactured the brand for a while. I believe your pack dates to 1892, so definitely an early one.

TheBig6 05-04-2019 12:46 AM

https://photos.imageevent.com/rucker...013501E18.jpeg
https://photos.imageevent.com/rucker...ize/trays1.jpg

tedzan 05-04-2019 07:29 PM

Show your Tobacco, Candy, Gum, Bread, etc. advertisement pieces
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by canjond (Post 1874938)
Ted - non-sports cards would have been issued with Dukes Cameo(such as the F62s). Duke manufactured the brand for a while. I believe your pack dates to 1892, so definitely an early one.


Hi Jon

Thanks for the info on the Duke's CameO pack.

I was thinking it might contain non-sports cards circa 1887 - 1889, since the pack has a July 20, 1886 Patent date on it. And, the slide inside this pack has a Sept 28, 1886
Patent date on it.

Can we arrive at any kind of conclusion(s) based on these dates ?


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Joe_G. 05-04-2019 09:02 PM

Ted,

Duke's Cameo brand went from paper pack to slide and shell box in 1886 and would retain many of the dates you mention on the pack for decades. The date that really matters is the tax stamp over-print. Your tax stamp overprint appears to be either 1892 or 1893.

Another strong clue that quickly dates your pack to 1890s (or later) is the appearance of "ATC" or "American Tobacco Company". Most Duke, A&G, Kinney, Kimball, and Goodwin packs were updated upon the merger in early 1890 to reference ATC. Your pack is post merger. I have several pre-merger Cameo packs, here are a few from 1889. You can see several changes that occurred between June 1889 and August 1889. I've circled the overprints (June, August, & October of 1889) to better clue you into what you should be looking for on your pack.

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=26940

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=26939

Joe_G. 05-04-2019 09:10 PM

And a re-post from the April Pick-Up thread; this thread provides a better home for the pic. The cigar box is a beauty, dedicated to the Detroit Wolverines with numerous references to baseball and the Detroit Base Ball Club (DBBC) including the team picture. It serves as a storage box for some of my favorite Goodwin & SF Hess packs.


1880nonsports 05-04-2019 10:02 PM

sweet little box
 
of candy Joey boy!

canjond 05-04-2019 11:12 PM

Looks great Joe!

Ted - I don’t really have anything else to add that Joe didn’t cover already. I was referring to the overprint on your box for dating. It’s still a great early one!

tedzan 05-05-2019 08:10 AM

Show your Tobacco, Candy, Gum, Bread, etc. advertisement pieces
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe_G. (Post 1875190)
Ted,

Duke's Cameo brand went from paper pack to slide and shell box in 1886 and would retain many of the dates you mention on the pack for decades. The date that really matters is the tax stamp over-print. Your tax stamp overprint appears to be either 1892 or 1893.

Another strong clue that quickly dates your pack to 1890s (or later) is the appearance of "ATC" or "American Tobacco Company". Most Duke, A&G, Kinney, Kimball, and Goodwin packs were updated upon the merger in early 1890 to reference ATC. Your pack is post merger. I have several pre-merger Cameo packs, here are a few from 1889. You can see several changes that occurred between June 1889 and August 1889. I've circled the overprints (June, August, & October of 1889) to better clue you into what you should be looking for on your pack.

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=26940

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=26939


Joe and Jon

Thanks for all you info regarding this Tobacco brand. I'm glad I posted this pack. For you guys are amazing with your knowledge of this stuff.

Hope to see you both at the National this Summer.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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bbnut 05-05-2019 05:42 PM

Old Mill Sign being sold by Probstein123 on ebay. Legit?
 
This Old Mill sign can't be legit, can it? It's on ebay by Probstein123 for $5,000. Here is the link:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Ori...ty!95132!US!-1

canjond 05-05-2019 07:29 PM

Nope

bbnut 05-05-2019 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canjond (Post 1875411)
Nope

That was my first thought, too. For sure the backs of those 2 cards aren't from original cards, and the "open here" spaces are VERY fishy. If it's that obvious, how can a bigger consignment place (I'm assuming the sign is a consignment) with lots of feedback get away with that?

canjond 05-05-2019 10:05 PM

Also note that the Old Mill advertisement is printed, but the text referencing baseball picture cards is hand-written. Too coincidental in my opinion.

1880nonsports 05-06-2019 09:17 PM

well
 
I think that the sign and "boxes" on either side are real just not the "base ball picture cards" verbiage..….. I have either seen this frankenmonster before or something very similar.

no guarantees whether written or implied

1880nonsports 05-06-2019 09:20 PM

maybe the same guy
 
who did the fake Old Judge piece with the fake cards.....

tedzan 06-27-2019 08:50 PM

Show your Tobacco, Candy, Gum, Bread, etc. advertisement pieces
 
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...e/coupont3.jpg


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...e/T3bk1x76.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Doolan25xB.jpg


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...dKleinowNY.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...3Doolan25x.jpg


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T206 Reference
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bobfreedman 06-27-2019 10:03 PM

Tuxedo
 
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Just won this yesterday

BBT206 06-28-2019 12:23 PM

Sweet Caporal piece
 
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I found this item in Bisbee, AZ. It is a door off a display case that was in the E.B. Wallace Smoke Shop and Pool Hall located on Main St. in Bisbee from 1910 to 1979.

Attachment 357969

Attachment 357971

Marslife 07-18-2019 05:19 AM

Risque Polar Bear Poem
 
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Hi Fellas!

scored this neat little Polar Bear ad card.

TTYL!

Cliff

Attachment 359726

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3-2-count 07-18-2019 07:30 AM

Recently uncovered in a little hole in the wall antique store while vacationing with the wife.

Well weathered with character. I couldn't resist!

http://photos.imageevent.com/threetw.../large/sc6.jpg

brian1961 07-18-2019 11:26 AM

Very sweet pick-up, Tony! Nice. Thanks for sharing your find. ---Brian Powell

John V 07-24-2019 02:15 PM

Camels
 
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Not mine, but I thought it was worth a post.

kateighty 07-24-2019 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3-2-count (Post 1900030)
Recently uncovered in a little hole in the wall antique store while vacationing with the wife.

Well weathered with character. I couldn't resist!

http://photos.imageevent.com/threetw.../large/sc6.jpg

Nice find Tony!

realbigfatdog 07-24-2019 05:32 PM

Picked this up at an antique store near the Jersey Shore after eyeing it for three years. My fiancee bought it for me as an early wedding present after she told me I was never getting it (for the 1,000th time, lmao).https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...4972ba66f1.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...265310c553.jpg

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1880nonsports 07-25-2019 08:41 AM

well
 
it looks like you hung your giant Piedmont in the same place I had mine. Difference is my wife was looking to move it OUT - not in. You should keep yours (sign AND future missus) :-)

edited to ask: Any way you could share what was paid? I sort of track this kind of stuff. If not I understand......

MVSNYC 07-25-2019 08:59 AM

Tony- love that vintage Sweet Caporal sign, good find!

realbigfatdog 07-25-2019 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1880nonsports (Post 1902475)
it looks like you hung your giant Piedmont in the same place I had mine. Difference is my wife was looking to move it OUT - not in. You should keep yours (sign AND future missus) :-)



edited to ask: Any way you could share what was paid? I sort of track this kind of stuff. If not I understand......

I wanna say she paid around $350. I know she got the price down about $75-$100 from his original asking price. Yeah, she's a keeper. She tolerates all this "junk" of mine and lets me have the basement all to my collection. She even pretends to be interested in it sometimes, lol.

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3-2-count 08-09-2019 07:16 AM

Thanks for the kudos everyone. Another one just in!

It's a monster. Measures nearly 30" wide x 40" tall. Made of thick cardboard.

I believe it's circa (early 1930's)

http://photos.imageevent.com/threetw...echnut%201.jpg

bobfreedman 08-09-2019 07:19 AM

Beech Nut
 
What a great piece Tony! Where did you come by it? I have never seen it before either.

3-2-count 08-09-2019 07:45 AM

Hi Bob. Good to hear from you and thank you. It was an Ebay find. I'd not seen this one before now either. It sorta reminds me of the famous Dean brothers Beech-Nut display and is about the same size as that one.

Dean Bros sign below not mine, simply shown for reference :)

http://photos.imageevent.com/threetw...e/deanbros.jpg

Spike 08-11-2019 07:46 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EA-mBe8WsAMz4uA?format=jpg

Bought at the National for $20 from John Rumierz, this ad card for 1950 WWG "Big League Stars" set of International Leaguers.

Given its postcard size, I think it's the front window display insert for vending machines that held the V362 Big League Stars set and sold individual cards for 1c each, much like Exhibit Company machines. It's labeled as a joint production of Cramer Gum (East Boston USA) and World Wide Gum (Granby, Ontario CA), implying Big League Stars set distribution on both sides of the border.

Leon 08-12-2019 06:16 AM

T227
 
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Picked up a random pack for old times sake...

canjond 08-16-2019 10:54 PM

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Pretty excited to add this to my cigarette pack collection. It's the first "soft" wrapper I've come across in person or had the opportunity to purchase (I have a scan of an old one, and this is the only other one I've ever seen). I have a 10-count period slide and shell Coupon box in my collection already, however there is some speculation that the cards may have been packaged in these soft packs which could explain in part why they are more flimsy than other cards.

1880nonsports 08-17-2019 12:03 AM

great pack
 
and interesting theory but I would doubt that the cards were ever in such a pack. Of course - I defer to your wider range of knowledge about cigarette packages and cards. What is there that suggests the relationship other than the lighter card stock?

Leon 08-17-2019 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1880nonsports (Post 1909069)
and interesting theory but I would doubt that the cards were ever in such a pack. Of course - I defer to your wider range of knowledge about cigarette packages and cards. What is there that suggests the relationship other than the lighter card stock?

I would have thought a more sturdy card might come in a flimsier pack? Maybe the -3 series?

Wonderful pack, btw, Jon

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canjond 08-17-2019 06:34 PM

It’s a good question guys. When I first got into collecting packs,
One theory was that the stiffer cardboard tore the packs more easily, so they used a thinner stock. Doubt we’ll ever know. When I came across a 10-count slide and shell that dated to the 1910s, I felt pretty comfortable it was a proper pack, but I always wanted to add the soft pack, too, in case the theory ever holds true.

Joe Hunter 08-17-2019 08:36 PM

Rodeo Meats Cardboard Sign
 
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Picked up this colorful Rodeo Meats cardboard sign recently. Although it doesn’t make reference to the Rodeo cards of 1955-66, it’s still neat. 21”x11”.

brian1961 08-18-2019 05:07 PM

Joe, thanks for posting your Rodeo hot dogs placard. Beautiful. I love the 1955-56 Rodeo Meats Kansas City A's cards, and devoted a chapter to the 1955 promotion in my book on immediate post-war regional-food issues. That's a diabolically tough set to complete, back in the day, and to this day. The whole KC area was very proud of their A's, and the hot dog company went all-out to give their fans a terrific trading card set promote them.

Again, thanks for posting your new piece; it's a beauty! --- Brian Powell

Joe Hunter 08-18-2019 07:23 PM

Rodeo Meats Sign
 
Thanks, Brian. I thought it was pretty cool, as well.

tedzan 09-19-2019 07:29 PM

Show your Tobacco, Candy, Gum, Bread, etc. advertisement pieces
 
At the National last month, I picked up this Egyptienne Cigarettes Advertisement (13 1/2" x 10" poster).


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...tienneAdvX.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...enneAdvRTx.jpg



I'm including an Egyptienne Cigarette pack to accent this post....and, a B18 flannel. The B18 flannels were issued wrapped
around some of these Cigarette packs....here we have Casey Stengel.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...garettes50.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...yStengel50.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...CigpackB50.jpg



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Joe_G. 09-21-2019 02:05 PM

A sample of some recent cigarette pack pickups (most coming from a couple REA lots).

I'll start with an early OJ pack. This is the earliest 10 count pack I've found, dating to June of 1887. I'm aware of five earlier 20 count packs which seem to be far more common in 1887 but then become scarce/non-existent afterwards. The 10 count packs became far more common for Goodwin and others by 1888. This pack likely contained a baseball card. Would love to hear of other early OJ packs.

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=27407

Here is the latest Dogs Head pack I've seen, July of 1890. This pack would be post ATC merger and likely issued after Old Judge cards ceased to be inserted in packs. It us far more common to find a Dogs Head pack from mid-to-late 1889 . . . and likely more desirable as they contained baseball cards. I have several DH packs from 1889, this being a rather uncommon later pack issue.

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=27408

While A&G Straight Cut Number 1 packs are not the most difficult, it is rare to find one issued during the couple month period that N29 cards were issued. Here is a September 10th 1889 pack which is right in the middle of N29 production. This pack is missing the top flap and has writing on front and a side suggesting it was used to hold "easy stamps" for an early stamp collector. The pack otherwise presents nicely with a complete stamp and overprint which can be tough on A&G packs as they would fold the tax stamp across slide & shell.

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=27438

Then a couple rare packs that don't have direct connection to baseball cards but would have featured some non-sport cards, competing for the smoker's attention.

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=27439

The last pack was unknown to me before it was listed, Kimball's Japanese Perfumed Cigarettes. This brand was introduced by Kimball in mid 1887? and didn't last very long. On the front of the pack, reading from right-to-left, it states "Japanese Perfumed Cigarettes" in one circle and "Kimball & Co. Rochester N.Y." in another.

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=27406

atx840 09-21-2019 02:24 PM

Something different for the office

https://i.imgur.com/3Gt805Z.jpg?1

Jobu 09-21-2019 04:56 PM

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9 newspaper ads for Old Mill showing T206 that ran in May-Aug 1910 in SC.

bobfreedman 09-21-2019 05:11 PM

Sure Shot
 
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This is was originally a trifold but the middle piece looks good as a stand-alone piece.

Leon 09-24-2019 03:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bobfreedman (Post 1918504)
This is was originally a trifold but the middle piece looks good as a stand-alone piece.

Great lithography on that one, Bob. Nice pick up.

Here is a hopefully legitimate shaving mug put out by Ratsch Peerless...c 1895-1919 so the description said.

atx840 09-24-2019 08:09 PM

Wow Bryan, nice pickup!

1880nonsports 09-24-2019 09:01 PM

Leon
 
moustache cup and not shaving mug I believe..... Got pix of the bottom? What is the association to Ratsch - provenance?


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