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bnorth 10-31-2016 10:25 AM

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Got this awesome 73 Topps Al Kaline Band Aid card in the mail today thanks to a great forum member.:)

swarmee 11-08-2016 04:51 AM

http://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1973/...&size=original
1973 Topps #264 - Checklist
Courtesy of COMC.com

Bobby at #145 scratched out. Multiple cards on COMC show this flaw.

ALR-bishop 11-08-2016 09:05 AM

Cls
 
Good one John. I know there are at least two version of every CL in every 1960s sets, I think mostly because they are all DPs. Most differences are minor. Not sure if that holds true for all the 70s sets, but have several

savedfrommyspokes 11-11-2016 08:18 AM

Green Uniform???
 
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At first glance, it appears that some kid at some point neatly colored in this jersey a green color. However, the only thing I can not figure out is how they were able to color the jersey and not color over the facsimile autograph? Looking closely at the card, the facsimile auto is clearly on top of the green and not the other way around.

Any ideas?

ALR-bishop 11-11-2016 08:27 AM

colored jersey
 
Something similar from 1972 ?

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2ef7bed9.jpg

JollyElm 11-11-2016 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes (Post 1601319)
At first glance, it appears that some kid at some point neatly colored in this jersey a green color. However, the only thing I can not figure out is how they were able to color the jersey and not color over the facsimile autograph? Looking closely at the card, the facsimile auto is clearly on top of the green and not the other way around.

Any ideas?

The thing that clearly points to an artistic kid in my mind is the fact the colored ink (or whatever) crosses over the white border at left and at bottom. If it was intentionally printed this way at the factory, that shouldn't have happened. I know, I know, some people will say that sometimes it happens that way, I get it. But my money is on the kid. :)

savedfrommyspokes 11-12-2016 06:58 AM

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Al, this "coloring" is mostly limited to the jersey, similar to the limited coloring on just the glove of this 70 Lockwood card.

As Darren points out, the coloring goes over into the white border area. It also goes over the "Pirates" on the jersey on the front. The lack of uniformity in the color makes me skeptical, even though the facsimile auto appears to be over the greenish-grey color.

Sliphorn 12-10-2016 12:35 PM

1962 Santo #170
 
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I noticed a right angle line at the top right in this card. I checked COMC an many eBay and they all have it. Has anyone seen this withOUT this line? It only occurs on the non-greenie.

JollyElm 12-10-2016 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sliphorn (Post 1609378)
I noticed a right angle line at the top right in this card. I checked COMC an many eBay and they all have it. Has anyone seen this withOUT this line? It only occurs on the non-greenie.

That line up there is one of the tells showing that this is the 'normal' version of the card and not a green tint. (If you look closely, a similar area appears in the top left area, too.) It seems that Topps used a lot of scotch tape (that's what it looks like to me) when laying out the sets that year and many, many of the cards show pieces of it here and there. Almost none of the GT cards have these tape problems. Just a few. And no cards have the same piece(s) of tape appearing in both the regular and GT versions.

JollyElm 12-10-2016 05:06 PM

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It's most prevalent in the Cunningham card…

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ALR-bishop 12-11-2016 10:21 AM

Great stuff Darren

steve B 12-11-2016 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JollyElm (Post 1609445)
That line up there is one of the tells showing that this is the 'normal' version of the card and not a green tint. (If you look closely, a similar area appears in the top left area, too.) It seems that Topps used a lot of scotch tape (that's what it looks like to me) when laying out the sets that year and many, many of the cards show pieces of it here and there. Almost none of the GT cards have these tape problems. Just a few. And no cards have the same piece(s) of tape appearing in both the regular and GT versions.

That's exactly what it is, Scotch tape.

The color separation negatives were scotch taped to the mask, a big sheet of opaque paper, to make what was essentially a huge negative used to make the plates. Sloppy work let the tape show on the image.

It's also on a lot of 81 Fleer.

Steve B

JollyElm 12-11-2016 10:44 PM

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Perhaps the most egregious display of a wayward piece of tape is found on the Babe Ruth Special card #142, right above the red book. They didn't exactly try to hide it...

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Zach Wheat 12-12-2016 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 1597901)
Good catch Irv. I have picked up similar border hick ups for Snider ( 37), Woodling ( 99), Scheib ( 116), Bowles ( 128) and Dobson ( 254). Some of those, Snider,, Woodling and Scheib for sure, were listed as variants by Huggins in their 1952 Super Set auction ( 579 cards) a couple of years back.

They are all recurring print defects rather than true variations, but fun to add to the set anyway

The wing tip along upper left black border seems common on all, but here is another recurring defect on that card

http://www.ebay.com/itm/191944887729

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/3AUAAO...Yy/s-l1600.jpg

The Campos Top Border variation seems to have this variation also. A small percentage of the full border cards appear not have a full border.

Sliphorn 12-12-2016 09:53 AM

Coogan
 
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Here is a closeup of three Coogans showing different hiccups.

irv 12-13-2016 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Zach Wheat (Post 1609818)
The Campos Top Border variation seems to have this variation also. A small percentage of the full border cards appear not have a full border.

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Originally Posted by Sliphorn (Post 1609852)
Here is a closeup of three Coogans showing different hiccups.

They all look like something was on the printer (dirt/dust/lint) when they were printed.

Not sure what happened to the Campos with a large section of the top border missing though?

savedfrommyspokes 12-13-2016 09:30 AM

1968 TOPPS 282 Rick Monday
 
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Speaking of border breaks, here is a limited but recurring (right) border break that I have not noticed before.

Sliphorn 12-13-2016 05:58 PM

Observation
 
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Are my eyes deceiving me or do the Spahn cards with the blue mark have his face darker than the ones that do not? Any reason for this, if so? The three cards on the right vertically all have blue dashes while the ones on the left do not. The three birthdate versions are present with 1931 at top, obscured 1931 in the middle, and the correct 1921 at the bottom.

More mysteries.

Cliff Bowman 12-13-2016 07:12 PM

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1975 Hostess #48 Carl Yastrzemski "outfield" and "infield" variations. The "infield" version is much more difficult to find, but I don't think it is as rare as the corrected cards of Doug Rader and Burt Hooton.

Sliphorn 12-14-2016 05:57 PM

1957 #406 Hale
 
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This smudge on his left cheek is recurring and there are a few of these on COMC (two for sure) and eBay (at least one-my eyes aren't too great).

savedfrommyspokes 01-04-2017 10:53 AM

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Similar to the 57 "Bakep", these Buhl cards have some of the same characteristics as the Bakep card....some bleeding of the red into the ball and a letter in the name partially obscured(Bob's middle initial "R"). As with the Bakep, there appears to be varying degrees of red in the ball and the amount of the "R." that is obscured.

Sliphorn 01-21-2017 02:11 PM

1964 #45 Pappas
 
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Here is a new twist on this card. Notice that there is a white shadow around his ear on one version. There are a few of these on eBay and COMC and I just bought three to prove the variation. It should be easy to find.

savedfrommyspokes 01-31-2017 12:23 PM

1961 tOPPS 121 ELI GRBA
 
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I noticed this 61 Grba card with varying degrees of missing border along the right edge. My first thought was what does the card to the right look like, no luck though, the Grba card is on the sheet's right edge.

1963Topps Set 01-31-2017 06:10 PM

1961 Topps
 
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How about these?

swarmee 01-31-2017 06:13 PM

They look like they're missing a black color pass.

savedfrommyspokes 01-31-2017 06:13 PM

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How about these?



Very nice Tom...blackless and nearly blackless.

1963Topps Set 01-31-2017 06:20 PM

1956 Topps
 
How about these overprints?

1963Topps Set 01-31-2017 06:26 PM

'56 Topps
 
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Second attempt

Cliff Bowman 02-01-2017 09:44 PM

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There is a pretty cool 1959 Topps Venezuelan currently on eBay, it's a Gene Green missing all of the green ink on the back of the card.

Sliphorn 02-10-2017 05:35 PM

1957 #394 Arroyo
 
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I have the one in the scan with the normal one and found this one on COMC, proving it is not a one off.

Sliphorn 02-12-2017 12:49 PM

1958 Free Felt Initial Card
 
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On this card, you will notice at the left of the off-focus version that most of the phrase "GET YOUR INITIAL FREE!" is present. On the back of the cards (both are ON focus) that phrase exists at the top. I did not scan the back but can, if needed. I am curious about this card. Was the card double-printed with one version turned over so the phrase is next to the obverse of the other? Has anyone obtained an uncut sheet of 1958 Topps Football cards?

JollyElm 02-16-2017 02:35 AM

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Here's an odd pair of variations. 1970 card #401, Giants Rookies, comes in the 'regular' version (not shown), plus (top) with a black 'pinhole' beside the 'G' in 'Giants' and (bottom) a UFO buzzing above the baseball in Harrell's hand…

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pherbener 02-16-2017 04:54 AM

Here's one of my favorites! Griffith missing the ti. I think I've seen only 4-5 of these.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/2/1705/2...5e2738ce_z.jpgGriffith Missing "ti" version by Paul Herbener, on Flickr

Sliphorn 02-19-2017 03:00 PM

1963 #133 Freese
 
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Notice in the left version that the bat has gray in it. This is recurring and some are on COMC and eBay currently.

1963Topps Set 02-19-2017 05:26 PM

'63 Topps error
 
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Can anyone explain this one?

bnorth 02-19-2017 05:33 PM

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Can anyone explain this one?

That is an awesome print offset. They are from when the press is getting set up and not properly adjusted yet. Most left out the back door and very few with a print offset that big left the factory in a pack.

Those are among my favorite cards to collect.:)

1963Topps Set 02-19-2017 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 1633146)
That is an awesome print offset. They are from when the press is getting set up and not properly adjusted yet. Most left out the back door and very few with a print offset that big left the factory in a pack.

Those are among my favorite cards to collect.:)

I would love to see other examples like this.

bnorth 02-19-2017 06:11 PM

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I would love to see other examples like this.

Here are a few of mine with different amounts of print offset.

savedfrommyspokes 03-04-2017 01:01 PM

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Here is a missing print (on back) on a known variation...2 for the price of 1:

savedfrommyspokes 03-04-2017 01:12 PM

Yellowless??
 
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Came across this card, it appears to be "yellow-less"....my expectation/experience would be for the red to fade before the yellow and since I am not seeing any fading on the red, I feel this "yellow-less" state of this card is due to factory print issues versus post factory fading.

The copy on the right's red is fairly close to the red on the left's copy, so if there was fading involved, the red on the left copy should appear much more faded than the right copy.

Anyone else seen another "yellow-less" 58 Topps card?

ALR-bishop 03-04-2017 02:41 PM

Neat card. Here in Cairns no one has seen anything like it. They want to know if Bobby plays cricket

bnorth 03-04-2017 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes (Post 1637652)
Came across this card, it appears to be "yellow-less"....my expectation/experience would be for the red to fade before the yellow and since I am not seeing any fading on the red, I feel this "yellow-less" state of this card is due to factory print issues versus post factory fading.

The copy on the right's red is fairly close to the red on the left's copy, so if there was fading involved, the red on the left copy should appear much more faded than the right copy.

Anyone else seen another "yellow-less" 58 Topps card?

58 Topps cards are by far the easiest card to fade. Go up 2 posts and look at that Spahn.

That card looks faded from the picture. If you want to know for sure send it to me with return postage and I will tell you for sure.

savedfrommyspokes 03-04-2017 07:42 PM

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58 Topps cards are by far the easiest card to fade. Go up 2 posts and look at that Spahn.

That card looks faded from the picture. If you want to know for sure send it to me with return postage and I will tell you for sure.

IMO, the red should have faded before the yellow, but for whatever reason with the Richardson card this does not appear to be the case.

I will put this 58 card with the same color scheme in a (south facing) window tomorrow and see what happens with it.....here is the before pic. I am curious to see if the yellow and/or red fades first . Any ideas on how long it might take to show signs of fading?

bnorth 03-04-2017 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes (Post 1637749)
IMO, the red should have faded before the yellow, but for whatever reason with the Richardson card this does not appear to be the case.

I will put this 58 card with the same color scheme in a (south facing) window tomorrow and see what happens with it.....here is the before pic. I am curious to see if the yellow and/or red fades first . Any ideas on how long it might take to show signs of fading?

It really depends on the brand and year of card on what fades first. On 58's the yellow is by far the easiest color to remove of any brand/year I have ever experimented with.

PM or email me and I can give you all the info you want.:)

EDIT: If you find the blue front 1958 Aaron threads there is one that I show pictures of the background turning from green to blue. I added them to this post.

savedfrommyspokes 03-19-2017 03:14 PM

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Here is one I have not noticed before....the bottom border on this 71 Bench card has a recurring but limited print defect....always tougher to spot on HOFer's cards.

ALR-bishop 03-19-2017 07:02 PM

Have been on a fairly long cruise...128 days...since 1-5. Most passengers are retired like we are and even older age wise ( one guy is 102). On several occasions at dinner people will ask if I play golf or have a hobby. When I say I colllect baseball cards they say "oh"....and that the end of that conversation. ( although one guy did say he used to have a Mantle card but did not remember which one)

brett 75 03-19-2017 07:20 PM

1960 Banks
 
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Not sure if th this one applies to this section or not but an interesting card non the less . At bottom of card it says Section I . Sorry the picture is not that great ,
Brett

savedfrommyspokes 03-20-2017 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 1642848)
Have been on a fairly long cruise...128 days...since 1-5. Most passengers are retired like we are and even older age wise ( one guy is 102). On several occasions at dinner people will ask if I play golf or have a hobby. When I say I colllect baseball cards they say "oh"....and that the end of that conversation. ( although one guy did say he used to have a Mantle card but did not remember which one)

Enjoy your cruise, let these other passengers know how much fun they are missing.

irv 03-20-2017 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 1642848)
Have been on a fairly long cruise...128 days...since 1-5. Most passengers are retired like we are and even older age wise ( one guy is 102). On several occasions at dinner people will ask if I play golf or have a hobby. When I say I colllect baseball cards they say "oh"....and that the end of that conversation. ( although one guy did say he used to have a Mantle card but did not remember which one)

Sounds like one heck of a cruise, Al.

Enjoy!

Sliphorn 04-02-2017 03:48 PM

1962 #1 Unitas
 
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Notice on this pair of cards that, more than a different color uniform jersey, the "9" in "19" is farther into the margin on the right most version. Also, the person at the bottom is more to the right in this version and the vegetation is different above him.

Also, the closeup of his hands on the ball image clearly shows his knuckles closer to the side margin in the lower one.


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