I feel … betrayed

[emoji23] what a tease

This one is so beat up, it's almost cool again.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/12577550626...mis&media=COPY

It's like an abstract art pennant. Almost like a stained glass effect on the graphics, yet the cloth material has held up pretty well. Very cool for a "beater".

I've seen pennants looks like that after someone tried to clean them in a washing machine. That's my guess about what happened with that one.

Hey, gurus….check the “Anybody collect pins?” thread.

The pennant pinned to the dude’s chest? Really wild. Never saw that before.

Yeah. Is it a pinned on pennant or is it a sweater? :confused:

Looks to me like it's stitched/embroidered on to the sweater.

I believe I have a Winning Streak Prototype pennant. Note the back where the barcode is supposed to be, it just says "barcode". I haven't found another one like it. It measures 6 x 15 inches. Any help with a value would be appreciated.
Thank you in advance!

No idea, unfortunately. Maybe $25?

Thank you for your response. I know that you're very knowledgeable about pennants but that estimate seems kind of low to me. I don't think they ever produced pennants like this for retail sale.

I’m guessing that the resale merchant was to put a barcode sticker over the blank box. That’s what it looks like on another similar WS pennant that was sold at the Red Sox stadium store. But this being a modern pennant, even with what you claim renders it scarce, the question is how many collectors out there care about it enough to affect its value. My guess is few if any. Also I just noticed that this is a smaller pennant so I think $25 might be too high. If I’m mistaken I would certainly welcome any correction from the others.

I see your point and I appreciate your reply. I wasn't saying that you were mistaken, I just imagined it being worth a lot more. You're right about it not being that much more valuable to most collectors though. It is a modern pennant (I've had it for 12-13 years) and it doesn't have the appeal like vintage pennants do.

I like the Winning Streak pennants and have 8-10 full size ones for the SF Giants. I don’t think the smaller ones have much value. Hell, the bigger ones aren’t valuable. That said, if this is indeed a prototype there might be a die hard Red Sox collector who would want it.

Here's a similar 15" pennant for $9.99 or Best Offer....

https://www.ebay.com/itm/125276073222


Here's one with the Bar Code Sticker placed over the spot that says "Bar Code". It is not a prototype... just a marker indicating where the retailer should price the item...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/39227465019...Cclp%3A2047675

I picked up an upgrade of this pennant. My other one had magic marker on it and a very funky, re-cut tip...but it did have tassels. This one clearly had its tassels cut off. Why do you all figure people did this? Tassels got trashed? People didn't like the tassels flopping, if the pennant was on the wall?

Well I would think that the tassels were damaged and the seller amputated them completely so that it might appear that it was made that way (without tassels). If we weren’t avid collectors, would we have any idea that this isn’t as it was originally?

I didn’t grow up buying pennants made with tassels, if I did there would be no way they’d still be intact. I still have my “originals” and they look like they endured a nuclear attack, with all the times I pulled them off and on my bedroom wall.

Cool pennant, very bright …

Congrats on the upgrade! That's a beauty, Rob.

Another reason the tassels may have been removed is for symmetry and overall appearance. I personally would rather have a pennant with both sets of tassels missing than just one set. My eyes are immediately drawn to the asymmetry if just one set of tassels is present. So I prefer the cleaner look of no tassels at all, and have been guilty of performing a "tasselectomy" or two. ;)

I can’t believe YOU would do that. :eek:

I may perform a reverse “tasselectomy” on this one. :p

I have done that too, but just a couple of times, and on cheaper pennants!

I can deal with missing bottom tassels. But missing uppers with intact bottoms? NOOOOOOOO!

The basic tassel rule 4 > 0 > 2

1960s tassels are more trouble than they're worth. If you have 4 nice ones great. But if even one gets that creased, broken, limp, dangly look it changes the entire aesthetic of the pennant. Then there's the super brittle, egg shell tassels that you could probably disintegrate just by looking at too long.

They make 60s pennants harder to store too because you need larger bins. Pre-60 tassels are soft and durable and can be tucked or bunched. With the 60s, I prefer to iron them flat and then agonize about anything touching them. I just did my annual pennant sort/audit and had one casualty. The horror of picking up a stack of pennants and seeing a chunk of red tassel on the floor left behind.

What you just so eloquently described has taken at least a year off my life. The bins are always about an inch short, to accommodate these breakable tassels. The guy who sold Trench on the cheaper tassels should be inducted into a Collector’s Hall of Shame.

When I was selling on eBay, I sold a 1967 All Star Game pennant for a pretty decent price. But one of those “crispy” tassels broke off in transit. The buyer was pissed and we settled on 60% of the original sales price.

Took a big hit on that one. The tassels might as well have been made from Lays Potato Chips… same durability and texture.

I glad….and surprised….you guys think tassels are “take ‘em or leave ‘em.” I wish my recent pickup had them. The seller was a great guy and took my best offer but he said he didn’t know if the tassels were missing or if the pennant never had them. With my pennant in hand, it’s pretty damn obvious it used to have tassels. And this is a seller who deals nearly exclusively in sports memorabilia. :mad:

Where do 3 and 1 fit into the algorithm? :p

Kyle turned me onto this...my Alma Mater...Ohio U....aka Harvard on the Hocking.

The pennant is not great but the history is cool. For not the first time, I should have left well enough alone but did not. Untying the tassles opened a big can of worms. I need to get this thing under plexiglass and never f**k with it again. I think I will display it with what's left of the tassels folded over.

With 5 and 6

I might be tempted to make the Giants a 4.

^^^ and Greg….I meant to ask what your “solutions” were for oversized (e.g. your Athletics) pennants. I seem to remember poster sized toploaders and/or some heavy vinyl you bought. I don’t want to go through pages and pages of HPG to find your posts. I also seem to remember Mark said the frames meant to hold (3) 8x10 photos would work. If need be, I’d cut “windows” on the back side to show the labels.

Here’s the whole catalog for the maker of my OU pennant:

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?...3960/t5k93xs3m

Sure. The heavy vinyl was a flop. I had to tape both edges and over time they sagged and the tape slid. I eventually replaced all of them with poster toploaders which give me one existing rigid edge that I use for the bottom edge, and I tape the top. Big success. I am able to get two large pennant holders from one $20 40” toploader. Only one of my oversized exceeds that, I have a 42” Cubs and had to put on an “extension” at the tip. I use photo toploaders for framing my minis, a guillotine paper cutter comes in real handy as does invisible wrapping tape. The Athletics above came from a 40” toploader.

I have also used smaller poster toploaders for custom fitting smaller 8x26 pennants that look odd in the normal sizes holders. I’ve also trimmed standard pennant holders to size.

Are you able to find those big toploaders locally? I saw them online at a good price but there was a minimum order of ten units. I think I have a Plan B.

I think I bought 6 or 7 at $20 apiece, online.

The history is cool. Beautiful catalogue, great find Rob. And, your "pennant" is even cooler ... but, remember--it's not a pennant; it's a burgee. :)

Added this guy not too long ago. The Indian graphic seemed pretty unique. 23” long

OU is said to have the best sports marketing (or sports management?) program in the country. The school owns a franchise in a summer collegiate league and their students pretty much run it as an internship.

I’d never heard that. I always thought their claim to fame was being named the #1 Party School in numerous years. :p

Nice pickup Greg...

I admired that one when it was on eBay a couple weeks ago. Looks like you tailored the toploader to fit the pennant?

Given the wasteland that eBay has become, you are on quite a roll as of late!

Just released a new video on 2 of my earliest pennants. More to come... hope you enjoy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiZGvHSZH2A

Great video Mark. And killer pennants!

Giants
 

Greg, have you ever seen that Giants pennant in purple?

Not mine (pic from worthpoint). It seems to be a mix of burgundy and purple. There is also blue.

Seen it in blue, and now thanks to Marc, in purple.

Trench went crazy on 1954 championship pennants. Maybe 6 variations of Indians and 2 for the Giants, this being the other

I'm very happy with how this turned out (if I do say so myself). All it took was a $25 27x40 poster frame.....and about two hours of finagling! :p I spray glued some catalog pages to the back and cut out little windows so you can see the two tags.

Very nice framing!

Awesome framing job, Rob! Now that's thinking creatively. How did you cut/tailor the frame and glass to adhere to the "fishtail" shape of the pennant?

You must have some amazing tools!

Thanks, Mark. I started with a very cheap frame - thin plexiglass and plastic edging. So, it just takes a “scoring knife” to cut the plexi. You just score it until it feels like you can snap it. For the fishtail, I had to cut all the way through. For the edging, I just use a utility knife and a little trial and error on the angles. I like that these frames really compress the pennant and those deteriorating tassels can’t move.

:confused:

Rob, I think you need to start a YouTube channel that teaches us how to replicate such fine craftsmanship.

Looks great, love the cut-out windows on the reverse.

How about I do a guest spot on your Pennant Factory channel?

I do enjoy figuring out low-end display options. I had had a few cocktails Saturday night and it was all I could do to keep myself from starting this project. I’m glad I waited until Sunday. It wasn’t exactly rocket science but it did require a little bit of thought.