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Stonepony 01-28-2016 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by bcornell (Post 1496897)
There are several people with connections to the auction house who are listed as shill bidders. That includes their Silk Road investor (Filipowski), their receptionist (Henny Steinbach), and their IT guy (Boehm), among others. Mastro was just 'spreading the wealth' there, I suspect, using other people's accounts to do his bidding (pun intended). Just because Peter C's name is in this list doesn't mean he was actually shill bidding.
There is quite a stretch from inferring phantom accounts were used to shill lots, to truly believing that the AH would actually use active accounts from established customers to bid. I'd think some eyebrows would be raised by someone getting an Email confirmation that they've bid on a lot.... that they didn't bid on. I don't buy it for a second.

h2oya311 01-28-2016 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe (Post 1496905)
I know one name sticks out like a sore thumb, has been signed on today, but is not commenting.
+1

I'd love to hear him chime in. His name was on the victim list as well, assuming we're thinking of the same guy. I have to imagine there are a few errors on this spreadsheet.

MULLINS5 01-28-2016 03:06 PM
Am I looking at the right list? It says "Consignor" and "Shiller"

bn2cardz 01-28-2016 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by MULLINS5 (Post 1496910)
Am I looking at the right list? It says "Consignor" and "Shiller"
Sorry, I meant the list posted directly in this thread by Shoeless Moe.

RichardSimon 01-28-2016 03:08 PM
Zach Rullo, a PSA authenticator caught shill bidding. What is this world coming to?

bcornell 01-28-2016 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Stonepony (Post 1496908)
There is quite a stretch from inferring phantom accounts were used to shill lots, to truly believing that the AH would actually use active accounts from established customers to bid. I'd think some eyebrows would be raised by someone getting an Email confirmation that they've bid on a lot.... that they didn't bid on. I don't buy it for a second.
I get what you're saying, but when you have access to a database as Mastro and Allen did, you can do anything you want with it. There's no guarantee emails were sent to high bidders to notify them.

Put another way, do we think their receptionist was part of the shill bidding conspiracy? That seems unlikely.

Bill

drcy 01-28-2016 03:13 PM
Why can't a secretary place shill bids for her boss? I'd buy it if all the bids were the in the names of the receptionist and the janitor, but it's not as if the bosses were shy about bidding under their own names.

If others' accounts were surreptitiously 'borrowed' to place illegal bids, perhaps there should have been charges for identity theft.

Thus ultimate salt in the wound would be when someone sees he was bid up by Spot.

vintagetoppsguy 01-28-2016 03:14 PM
What's the over/under on thread views here? :D

nsaddict 01-28-2016 03:21 PM
There are 3 shillers listed that currently sit on the board of experts at PSA. If someone were to post this on the CU boards, how long would it last?

bobbyw8469 01-28-2016 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1496919)
What's the over/under on thread views here? :D
And how about this being a Net54 exclusive???? Not a peep about this across the pond!


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