is that credited as a Wood photo?

Yes it is. Mace has at least 3 Ogdens cards off memory using this same base photo, can’t remember if the other 2 have the Wood credit. No clue if the credit is true or not lol

I’ve been wanting to pick up some boxing, but this is the first I’ve actually grabbed. Was a Sullivan, cheap, and with a tolstoi back…so figured would be a good start.

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I like the way you think. Welcome to boxing!

Toneles
 

I haven’t posted here in awhile, but I’m currently going through some recent purchases. I’m pretty fond of this Toneles card, even though the condition is a bit ruff.

Idrottsbladets Bildgalleri
 

Here’s a couple more recent additions that I’m hoping someone has additional info on. I bought a few of these off of Ebay, but I can’t seem to find much info about them.

I can’t help and don’t recognize these, but that Carnera is really cool.

Carnera
 

Thanks, Greg. The stock used is pretty thin, but almost layered and the image is really strange. I would consider them very delicate.

Maybe I'm weird but I always like 'cards with photos that are very uncard-like'. There's so many boxing cards that come up that I've just never seen before still. It doesn't happen much with baseball or football; the percentage of boxing cards that there are few copies of out there is so much higher

According to a few unrelated listings on Ebay, it's a c. 1932 set out of Sweden.

Google translate identifies the set name as "Sport Magazine Picture Gallery"

Turkey Red coupon
 

Another recent pick up that’s not actually a card, but a coupon for the Turkey Red series. I’m interested in opinions on how common these are. I’ve not come across many.

I’ve seen a number of them but I sure wouldn’t classify them as easy. I believe the 1-76 is more common than the 1-75 version. There’s also a Fez one that’s smaller. I’ve never picked any of them up, but they’re cool. Would go well with a pack and the cards

Turkey Red coupon
 

Greg, I’m glad you mentioned the size. I was originally thinking this was in a normal 3 X 4 top loader, but your correct, it’s actually larger.

I was surprised when I first saw one in person, I always thought they were really small for some reason.

There's a 1-75 and 1-76 on eBay, and a Fez 1-75 (I assume these 3 BIN's are all excessive). http://t3turkeyred.com/Packaging.html has an image of an Old Mill 1-75 and a 77-126 in the same smaller size as the Fez.

Cool spate of pickups you're on!

Idrottsbladets
 

Dave, thanks for looking. I would agree, looks like they are definitely 1932. It appears they were supposed to go in an album. The checklist that I found online was hand written and appears to have mostly Swedish boxers along with Dempsey and Carnera.

Dave beat me to it on the Swedish cards.

Chad, love the 3 Toneles. I find that series of cards to be an interesting insight into the ebb and flow of Cuban society at the time. First the capitalists tried to pretend they were sympathetic (the earliest premium has "pro agrarian reform" on it), then there was a statis period as shown on your card, then as the Commies tightened the grip and killed professional sports, athletes like Fernandez fled if they could.

My collecting year has been made. I doubt I'll get something as big to me as this pretty much ever. I started my T220 Silver set when I was 12 in Christmas 2003, when my Dad bought me my first 7 boxing cards because they looked cool with the silver borders and he thought I might like them even though they weren't baseball. Probably a mistake, I've been addicted to the T220 Silver's and from there the whole c. 1910 E/T/C card period of boxing ever since. 6,975 days later my favorite set is finally complete, and in spectacular fashion for I completed my first set, my second set, my third set, my fourth set, my fifth set, my sixth set, my seventh set, and my eighth set all at once. It was peak hobby enjoyment to take this box over and open it up with my Dad like we did with my first T220 silvers.

I don’t know how many Corbett’s are out there, I have not tracked them as religiously as I have the 4 Donovans (a lot easier to track, as they have all been discovered during my time in the hobby and in the scan era) but these 8 probably represent around 50-66% of the total population now. PSA has 4 graded, SGC’s registry produces 0 Corbett’s and 0 Donovan’s and just 1-3 of the commons so it is clearly useless still but I don't believe they've ever had one. I've heard of a couple raw ones out there, but rumors aren't photos.

I don't want to out anyone who might want to remain anonymously private but I got a call from the original buyer, who didn't have to do this at all as I have no entitlement to these whatsoever, and structured a deal specifically just to get the Corbett sheet into my silver-loving collection. Even after we discussed bids and valuations, that it might one day be a Graziano type item in an open and properly listed sale, and his original intent to quietly keep it, he offered it to me because reconstructing this sheet is my passion project at a generous price in one heck of a gesture. Not only did he do this great kindness, he then shipped me the sheet immediately before we had even finished the logistics of payment. I've arranged for certain unique items to end up in certain peoples collections because they really care about them, but this is a value range I don't typically even play in at all. Wow!

I will also insert a plug for the remaining 2 panels that have survived to the present. To whoever owns the Randall/Belasco, I will pay you stupid money for it. Same for the Choyinski if its owner ever gets bored of looking at it. And with the Corbett printing proofs, I still need a final production normal Corbett to go along with them. I’m going to keep building some side sets of 23 (One side set I’m doing is fully beaters, trying to find the worst condition examples of each of the 23 base cards I can) of it as it is my favorite release, but I’m almost wrapped up here with as complete a collection as can be made. I’m not aware of any extant oddities I don’t own, but who knows what is out there (hint hint ;)). Maybe a Jack Goodman really will crop up one day and give me a new white whale.

Wow! Very cool story, Greg. Have you decided how you’re going to display them yet? I’m great at buying stuff, but not so much at getting things displayed.

Adam, you’ve definitely given these cards a look or two. I had to go back and review the scans in your book after reading your post. Thanks as always for sharing your thoughts.

If you ever figure out the secret to organization and display, please give me a call and share it :D.

I keep a series of spreadsheets cataloguing checklists and what I do and don't have, and then another cataloguing my boxing collection in its entirety. It's a lot easier to keep that sorted than the cards. I keep them all in boxes that I try to keep organized and labelled, and then a box on my work desk of my recent pickups I add in to their proper place every month or so. Still I somehow to always end up finding another box of random T cards somewhere I'd forgotten about and needs to be sorted in.

I want to, if I ever succeed in reconstructing the sheet, to get it framed up with all the panels in their original layout next to each other. I'm a little worried about display and that the vibrant red may fade with light exposure as T card red ink is wont to do, need to do deeper research into my options and just how safe they really are. Might also just make or (or pay someone good at photoshop) to recreate this sheet with the missing McAuliffe and Ryan spots and then print up as a reprint poster in the original full size to safely hang on the wall.

That's fantastic Greg. Glad you got that piece in your hands, and kudo's to whoever worked out the deal with you. Great twist to the story.

Probably belongs on a non-sport site but I'll put my Reginald Denny here.

Cine
 

Bill, I like you taste. Cine cards are normally a bit strange, but I like them.

Buster Douglas - 1990 Sega Super Play
 

This card is sure to be on ever boxing collectors “must have” list. This one is just a standard size card that fits in a 3 X 4 top loader, not the larger cabinet sized card.

Primo Carnera
 

I’m in need of a little help on this recent acquisition. Does anyone know the year and series of this Carnera card. It measures 3 X 1.75.

Chad, there is a 1991-1992 copyright on the Douglas, so I do not think it is a 1990 card.

Buster Douglas
 

Adam, I just assumed it was the same year as the cabinet card. I guess I should have looked a little closer. Lol..

More Andre goodness.

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Welcome to the assumption club. I'm not just the president, I'm also a member. :D

Is this Buster Douglas card actually a tough card? I've got at least a couple stashed away in an album and never thought twice about them before, but there doesn't seem to be much of a history of them on-line. I figured they were mass produced like the Muhammad Ali AW Sega card.....but maybe not so much.

Readily available on ebay uk. The big point of sale card is genuinely tough.

Hmmm, didn't find any there either. In either listed or completed listings. Plenty of the games....even the rare version that seems to go for 1000's of bucks...but none of the cards.

Went back two years in the Terapeak search on Ebay US, and found nothing.

Found one or two beat up versions on a Google search on old picture sites.


Granted Ebay search is trash, and the once fanciful idea that you can find anything and everything on Google is also a myth, but it does seem kind of weird this card seems to have been wiped from existence on the internet.

The Trading Card Database also seems to have missed this card in the Buster Douglas checklist:

https://www.tcdb.com/Person.cfm/pid/...tName=&sBrand=

I didn't even know there was a Buster Douglas checklist...

Everybody gets a checklist Adam...everybody!

;)

I don't know much about value of these, but this one was on eBay for $65 and I got it. That seemed fair to me. Coburn's brother Joe was a significant fighter, a claimant to the Heavyweight title for a time. There's very little about Mike (any other heavyweight champions have a bantamweight sibling that boxed?) out there though, and I'm not finding much. I can't think of another card Mike appeared on.

Boxing's version of Tommy Aaron...

They even had a third brother, Jim, that was a professional boxer. I don't think he was around for long. Boxrec doesn't seem to know of him.

Cyberboxingzone has a decent fight record shown for Mike Coburn.

Here's brother Jim Coburn in his later years, seconding forgotten 4th brother Charlie in an underground fight.

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You usually have the answer when there's some question of boxing history I don't know, but I'm pretty surprised you were able to unearth such high quality color film of the 19th century!

CyberBoxingZone was the most I could find on him from a web search. Much of the site is broken and it appears it hasn't been updated in many years. I hope it doesn't go offline, it's a great general resource for the old days. I like cards of new guys I don't have one of, as it's an excuse to go research the less big names of the period.

Jack Taylor
 

Speaking of lesser known boxers. I recently acquired this Jack Taylor card, which I’m assuming is an Italian issued card. I found I have two other Jack Taylor cards a Comet and a Ammatller, both of which are chocolate cards. I looked online and Boxrec had a bit of info and Taylor actually beat Max Schmeling early in his career. I’m confused by the info on the card due to what I found online stated Taylor was from Nebraska. Was Taylor originally from Cuba or was he actually a champion in Cuba.

Jack Taylor
 

Ok. I may have answered my own question. It looks like Taylor fought in Cuba and won Six fights, then he lost his last two fights. If he was a Cuban champion it had to be just for a couple of months. These cards normally date from the 20’s or 30’s and he was fighting in Cuba in 1914.

Just looked him up, Taylor seems like a guy who led a crazy life. Decent enough to fight Sam Langford to some draws (impressive even when Langford was old), lived much of his life in the Netherlands too where his Boxrec bio says he was imprisoned by the Nazi's.

It's amazing what modern technology can do to bring this old footage back to life. Here's what the original footage looked like, before Industrial Light and Magic got involved in the restoration process.

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Seriously now, it's amazing how well some of the old video has been preserved and improved with time. It's a ton of fun to put on some of the old video when sorting through a stack of T or N cards while seeing these guys in action. Baseball and boxing have the best and longest histories of the sports, but unlike baseball, boxing mostly forgets its past. Jack Johnson, Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey and Russell Crowe as James J. Braddock are about all that get mentioned before Ali.

Today was a good day. 22 of the 23 fragments are now reunited back together, the last remaining is the torn Choyinski in another board members collection. Thank you to the private collector who worked a deal with me!

Thought the odds of doing this were near 0 after the original seller finally clued on, happy to get this close to restoring it.

Greg, you'd be a good candidate for IBRO (International Boxing Research Organization). Basically SABR, but for boxing. I let my membership lapse a few years ago (for no good reason really), but they have a tooooooon of stuff behind their paywall, and they love contributions to their monthly publication, which can be 100+ pages thick sometimes.

Panel
 

Greg,

I can’t believe the condition of these panels. It’s really impressive.

They are f'ing great!

IBRO sounds right up my alley, I will look into them. Thank you

"F'ing great" and "can't believe" is how I think of them. I'm almost out of excuses to keep posting panels now :D. Amazing they survived at all. There's a partial sheet of 1908 Ogdens and the 4 N310 Mayo strips, I don't know of other uncut boxing material pre-WWI. Can't wait to see what we uncover next, there's always more out there.

And here's a card. Thanks to my card pal for swapping Zbysko's and getting me a Miners Extra back (the one I actually need!). Freshly liberated from the SGC slab to slot into my set. Loving the large, colorful lithographs in this set. Up to 29 different front/back combos now.

Tommy Murphy, Khedival, no stats, no factory makes 143/250. The lack of a Jack Johnson and recognition of the backs makes it cheap to build, but the lack of recognition of the confusing backs make it difficult to get cards anywhere but patiently waiting for the right front/back combos to appear on eBay.

Got a batch of T227's with three pugs in it. The Wolgast is a dupe Honest Long Cut Black, the Klaus' are an Honest and a Miners. I needed the Miners back, and I think the honest might be an upgrade.

3 more in today's mail. Needed the Walcott for my Ringside set that I search for once every few months. Great cards, just never put much work into finishing it. The Ketchell is a Hassan 649, my previous Hassan 649 was heavily torn and stained and even by my standards is bad shape. The Erne was cheap, and I love the silvers, so why not?

Just received the McAuliffe today. The Jordan should be here by the end of the week.

Completed every possible front/back combination among the T218 Hassan and Mecca cards with this one. Need 5 Tolstoi's to have a T218 master set complete. Tolstoi's are darn tough, but the very hardest cards are some specific combinations in the Hassan and Mecca portions of the set.

And another T225 of Harlem Tommy Murphy. 144/250 down, and 7/10 Murphy's. He's a total common, but he was a very good contender who fought an absolute ton of matches with hall of famers, champions and the elite. Not that a single person will ever care, but this is probably his rookie card.

1933 Sport Kings
 

This Tunney just arrived in the mail yesterday.

Great color on that example

1933 Sport Kings
 

Thanks Greg. Unfortunately when you get good colors on these it seems like the red ink on the top of the card almost always bleeds through on the back. This one is not an exception.

Lannon here is a much less notable heavyweight. He fought some good boxers but has no real big win on his resume and never was a serious contender for Sullivan's crown. He was a friend of Sullivan's and traveled with him for a time fighting numerous exhibition matches over several years. He had an exhibition with Corbett at least once, and apparently was scheduled to fight Peter Jackson but it didn't materialize.

Just picked up the French version. Add this to the Buster Douglas checklist.

Barry and Sullivan are from the Heroes of the Ring set, the 3rd card from numbered series F. Loving these Ogden's, up to 31 different boxing cards across the series that constitute these closely related black border issues.

If I remember correctly, that last card is Bob Fitzsimmons and Peter Maher re-enacting their bout near the Texas border for the cameras. This time on higher ground and with a bigger crowd, then their original mostly secret location of a sand bar, just on the Mexican side of the Rio Grande.

Tres bien.

I believe there is a Spanish version, as well. (Italian, also?)

Thanks Dave. I thought I recognized the back of Bob Fitzsimmons head, but no clue on the other gent. The card appears in series B as well, with a different tint and a differently cropped photo. I believe its the only fight card in the Ogdens' series.

Nothing gold can stay. But silver lives forever.

Young Corbett's T220 card sometimes feels like the only time he was ever depicted differently from the photo used for this T218/T225.

The image is from Gans' audition for the original stage version of The Karate Kid.

Rose and Smith
 

2 x mid 1920 boxer cards, dont know which set they are from, the backs are blank
Attachment 561072

c. 1923-24 Willards Chocolates V137

Canadian issue.

From a series of 56 boxers

Those two cards are from the mid-1920s Willard's Chocolates set (V137), an unnumbered, blank-backed 56-card issue from Canada. They can be found in both sepia or black and white. Biggest names in the set are Dempsey, Jeffries, Fitzsimmons and Ketchel.

Picked up these 3 Red Sun's from a fellow collector. Puts me at 34/50 after ~18 months.

T226's are not from 1908; I would be utterly shocked if they date before Q2 of 1910, when Jack Johnson seems to have signed some deals with American Lithography. I have no idea how this myth started; PSA is still endorsing it today. Most claims to fact beyond the checklist about Red Suns do not seem to align with evidence or even reasonable deductions.

The cards have glossy fronts that damage very easily; slabs tend to obscure this. I see how these cards would get a 3.5 from a grader on a bad day with the new standards, or a 5 on a good day, but after crack out the Willete is the nicest of them. Willets has a deep scratch on the left, and a small corner wrinkle. I'd call that one a 4 and Willete the 5. Willette and Willets were the top POP's.

Jimmy Gardner is the 'get' for me, as he is a T218 subject which is what led me to the other T sets. Jimmy was a very, very good boxer. His brother George was the Light Heavy champ for a time, and another brother, Billy, was an obscure pro boxer. Joe Thomas, who appears in T224/T229, was his brother in law. Quite a family. Johnny Willetts was pretty good, one of the many northeast no decision fighters who appears to have had the better of it more often than not. He appears in series 2 of the T225's. Kid Willette is pretty obscure. I cannot think of another card he had off the top of my head.

Yeah, 1908 makes no sense. The images alone disprove it.

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Jim Jeffries did not look like this in 1908. He looked like the one in the bowler hat:

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He didn't get the bald and in shape thing going until early 1910 as he trained for the Johnson fight.

Evan Jones' 1993 book has them as 1908 (and he only has 46 confirmed subjects, missing the 4 black 'puglistic' subjects). The 1956 ACC gives no date and a set size of 50, though that may be taken from the back of the cards, listed at a then-high 30 cents a card price. I don't know if Burdick and friends actually had a checklist. Jones' book is all over the place quality wise, but the missing subjects in his checklist might indicate the SP theory.

PSA's checklist only lists the 46 whitey cards (https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist...position/11395). Bizarre, as their POP report includes a Johnson in a 2.5 to make 47 different they have graded, even if PSA refuses to acknowledge reality outside of their slabs. They still list it as a 1908 set everywhere. POP report has a "Kid Williams" card I suspect is a Kid Willette. I don't think anyone at PSA knows a single thing about T boxing cards. I can't tell where there information comes from - for baseball their system for older stuff relies heavily on the Standard Catalog, which makes sense. I don't know where the origin for their boxing database came from.

SGC's POP report (https://gosgc.com/pop-report/result/...T226%29/Boxing) is difficult to take seriously. Some sets are totally messed up and the old data is not there no matter what option you elect, like T220 Silver. T226 Red Sun appears to be all inclusive, but their datasets are so horrible that who knows if it's actually accurate. Their date of 1910 is also not tied to any actual primary source, but it's plausible and it's probably 1910 or 1911.

Was a bit nervous about this one with the eBay 'authenticity' program, since it was listed as "Young Corbett" in the auction title.

I don't think I would agree with this being EX-MT due to the back stain, but who cares about condition for items this rare. PSA shows a 6, a 5, a 5 MC and a 2 in their pop report; SGC turns up nada. I only have a picture of the 6 and the 5(MC), plus the 8 card proof sheet. The 5 I haven't seen is in butcher35435's set on the registry. The 2 isn't on a registry set. I'd love to see images of these or any raw ones.

“Orchid Man”
 

A really cool recent pick up, just arrived in the mail yesterday. The bottom left corner states 1914, which would make George’s 20 years old at the time. He actually looks more like 15 or 16 in the photo. George’s was said to have boxed at 145 to 175 in his career. I’d say he’s probably closer to 145 in this picture.

10th of the year, but I'm pretty sure this is the last silver Corbett I will get this year. Probably ever (unless somebody wants to whip one out and send my way!). I can't account for more than 5 non-proofs at most. I hope there are more out there to enjoy.

Thank you to my friend for letting this one go to my little collection. In my personal opinion with both in hand, this 5MC is better than the 6. They have very similar edges and corners, the MC is only slightly worse centering, but it lacks the staining on the back of the 6 and the quality of the coloring in the image is better. All of the Corbetts I have seen an image of are in very nice condition (the top-down centering is usually bad, it is a top of the sheet card), in contrast to the Donovan's. Unusual attribute of this particular card.

Got this card in this week that pairs well with the Corbett. Jackson and Corbett were boxing instructors at different boxing clubs in San Francisco. In 1891 the rival instructors fought a 61 round bout without a decision when neither fighter was able to continue for the 62nd round. Sounds like it was one heck of a battle

Jackson was a great fighter, maybe the best heavyweight of the lineal era to never hold the world championship, but he lived an interesting life too. The story I have always heard is that he got into boxing while working as a deckhand in his teens, when he single handedly quelled a mutiny with his fists. Probably exaggerated, but there are numerous primary accounts of odd and colorful incidents surrounding him.

I always thought that Hong Kong Phooey thing was such a weird pose that they had to be making it up. I was wrong.

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