Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 1920872)

Same here... extremely discontent and saddened about the state of the hobby, or business, or whatever the hell it is now...

But although I am not personally filing any lawsuits, who knows how many other defrauded people are preparing for litigation. This is the infancy stage. Many victims have not yet become aware of the situation, but they very well might, in due time.

PSA wants everyone to go back to the sellers for refunds. But what if the tainted cards were bought months/years ago? What if the Dealer is no longer in business or is unreachable? What if the card was obtained via trade show, in which the seller has been long-forgotten?

The vast majority of us have no idea what's happening behind the scenes. Give it adequate time, for goodness' sake.

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector (Post 1920947)

Its interesting that almost every comment you make has an insult in it. We all know about people who find they have to belittle people.

I am making a point. There are no lawsuits. Only takes one major suit to help resolve other potential cases so having one lawsuit is a big deal versus zero.

There is no final answer that you have or I have as to why there arent any. We all have are viewpoints. I am free to make my own point and you are free to make your point.

Even people not in penthouse lawyer offices are free to make our points known. The fact you bother to reply to little ole me shows me something. I assume you will again respond with an nursery school insult and raise your dorsal fin but again you will feel the need to say something. Thats the funny thing.

Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1920989)

Civil RICO or criminal?

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1920994)

I want to be the first person to bring a criminal RICO claim in a civil suit, so criminal.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1920997)

LOL. Maybe I'll add a counterclaim to my own suit, about a comic book?

Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1920998)

Cough. Brilliant idea! Wish I had thought of it. 0_o

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1920999)

Whatever avoids that undisputed debt works for me.

Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1920972)

So one lawsuit brought -- which was actually a counterclaim -- makes a situation hugely problematic for hobbyists but that no lawsuits brought means that this is a non-issue? Are you aware that the one counterclaim brought against Mastro occurred years after the criminal investigation began? Much further down the road than where we are now with the revelations about PSA and grading of trimmed cards.

As for an insult, there's no need really to insult you. I can't do any better than your own words, your own faulty logic. Even the non-lawyers have more acumen than you on these issues.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1920984)

Just to end these posts by Jake, I am filing suit tomorrow on behalf of myself and a class that I'll figure out later against all three grading companies, PWCC, 17 card doctors, and 17 other defendants to be named later for intentional infliction of emotional distress for all the angst they have caused me since the scandal began. Even though they haven't consented I am including Johnny and Chuck as named plaintiffs. Anyone else who wants to be named you'll have to pay me but you will need a minimum of 500 posts on the subject to qualify. Blowout doesn't count. On Kenny Cole's law school classmate's advice I am avoiding California courts like the plague. I am still debating Oregon (no sales tax, home of PWCC and vault and Martin) or Texas (home of Leon and Adat Chaverim show). Jake, I'll send you a copy once it's filed.

Edit to add To appease some message board wannabes I will also have a RICO count and a request to shut down PSA.

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector (Post 1921090)

there you go. Another post that you know all the answers and another insult. What a surprise.

You have your own narrative and you dont factor in anything. I understand you are making your argument and have a client in this issue. Nobody knows everything. I never said this is a non-issue, i always said theres there is an issue. I just said there are issues where lawsuits are involved and issues where lawsuits are not involved.

To me, i think thats a big difference. I would think in the HOF of the biggest scams in the world where people are wronged and lost tons of money and were all unhappy a lawsuit would be filed whether now or 3 years from now. People are saying that in time it will happen, I am just saying theres a good chance there wont if everyone is satisfied to a degree/dont care that nobody will file lawsuit.

I can spare you your next post. Jake- people in grade school know more than you. I am great, look at how i bully and insult.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1920984)

Just to end these posts by Jake, I am filing suit tomorrow on behalf of myself and a class that I'll figure out later against all three grading companies, PWCC, 17 card doctors, and 17 other defendants to be named later for intentional infliction of emotional distress for all the angst they have caused me since the scandal began. Even though they haven't consented I am including Johnny and Chuck as named plaintiffs. Anyone else who wants to be named you'll have to pay me but you will need a minimum of 500 posts on the subject to qualify. Blowout doesn't count. On Kenny Cole's law school classmate's advice I am avoiding California courts like the plague. I am still debating Oregon (no sales tax, home of PWCC and vault and Martin) or Texas (home of Leon and Adat Chaverim show). Jake, I'll send you a copy once it's filed.

Edit to add To appease some message board wannabes I will also have a RICO count and a request to shut down PSA.

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal (Post 1921104)

I consent. Class action, Rico & shut it all down! I'm currently in a class action lawsuit with the gas company going on for 5 years now, so I don't expect Rome to be built in a day. Get it going. Where should I ship all the evidence, All My FAKE trimmed cards in these stupid plastic rip off holders?

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1921105)

The Vault will make a nice home for them, I think. Send them along to be ingested.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1920984)

Just to end these posts by Jake, I am filing suit tomorrow on behalf of myself and a class that I'll figure out later against all three grading companies, PWCC, 17 card doctors, and 17 other defendants to be named later for intentional infliction of emotional distress for all the angst they have caused me since the scandal began. Even though they haven't consented I am including Johnny and Chuck as named plaintiffs. Anyone else who wants to be named you'll have to pay me but you will need a minimum of 500 posts on the subject to qualify. Blowout doesn't count. On Kenny Cole's law school classmate's advice I am avoiding California courts like the plague. I am still debating Oregon (no sales tax, home of PWCC and vault and Martin) or Texas (home of Leon and Adat Chaverim show). Jake, I'll send you a copy once it's filed.

Edit to add To appease some message board wannabes I will also have a RICO count and a request to shut down PSA.

Originally Posted by steve B (Post 1921133)

I'm.... wait, I have to make 500 posts AND pay you? That's just too much work for me. I probably couldn't afford it anyway.

Originally Posted by peter_spaeth (Post 1921131)

the vault, getting ready to ingest another victim.

Originally Posted by samosa4u (Post 1921149)

lmao!!!!!

The Vault is guarded by:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nY9uBSw6uoQ/maxresdefault.jpg

Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1921094)

You're Peter Chao. I don't think you're malignant but you proudly wave around your ignorance as if it is supposed to impress someone.

Sometimes it makes sense to listen to people who know more than you on an issue, who have actual experience on an issue, who are involved in the issue.

Again, and I'll type this slowly for you: litigation does not need to be brought in order for victims to be made whole. The number of lawsuits brought is not directly related to the harm perceived or suffered. Yes, this is grade school common sense of which non-lawyers on the board seem to understand well.

The fact that I have a client involved would suggest that I would be looking to downplay what occurred here. I am not. For an obvious reason. Again, and s l o w l y: what occurred here rocks the foundation of the hobby. Lawsuits or no lawsuits will not change that.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1922560)

Up the ladder to the roof, as the Supremes song goes.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1642

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector (Post 1922594)

I think you are Peter Chao (see how it looks when you say that).

You said what occurred rocked the foundation of the hobby. Do you mean the buyer or the sellers or both? Are prices at auctions getting rocked now versus before. Less submissions to PSA? No lines to get cards graded? The stock price for collector universe has gotten rocked? We already know no lawsuits.



Please advise as to how the foundation has been rocked. Ill say it slowly 'R o c k ed'

Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 1922606)

Poor Peter Chao...

Looks like his infamous legacy will never end here. Hope he found a friendlier and more accepting place to hang out. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1918049)

Excellent thoughts. I remember well a poster here from a decade ago who, at least in his public stance, fit squarely into category 3.

Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1922642)

You’re an idiot and have the legal acumen of a flea. Which is why you are the only civil litigator aggressively discussing lawsuits against PSA and your own mother wouldn’t hire you. No one with any grey matter on this board will. You simply have no common sense. (See how it looks when I say that?)

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector (Post 1922760)

well this idiot predicted you would bully on your posts and attempt to belittle.

Surprised you would resort to a 'your mother' joke. Guess thats why you are so expensive. Such original insults. I am not sure what yo mean about aggressively discussing lawsuits against PSA

I have been discussing the opposite. Have I not stated a number of times that I guess everyone is satisfied/refunded that NO lawsuits have been filed.

It seems you are the one that is stating that the hobby has been rocked and just because there are no lawsuits its a HUGE issue and worthy of litigation or other major fix. I also asked the questions about whether past sales at auctions shows how bad the hobby has been rocked as you stated which you didnt answer. I dont think recent auction sales reflect that. Thats a position that would be contra to discussing lawsuits. It sounds like from what you are saying that you are encouraging aggressively discussing lawsuits
(see how that sounds)

Peter C lives!

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1922793)

Whether enough are going to be outed anyhow that destroy confidence in TPG high grade slabs altogether, we'll see.

Originally Posted by MULLINS5 (Post 1923099)

$60,000 value gain on an altered PSA 8 Bobby Hull rookie just surfaced on Blowout.

Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1923101)

Wow!!!

Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1922765)

Jake, I'm expensive due to supply and demand. For the same reason you barely exist in the legal world.

These issues are very obvious to everyone on the board but you. Again, everyone is not satisfied or happy just because no lawsuits are filed. If everyone is satisfied and happy, why is there a present criminal investigation occurring? No harm, no foul, right? Why is there a statute of limitations on lawsuits? Why not just make the limitation period 3 months? Because that's all anyone needs to determine if they are satisfied and happy on a legal dispute, right?

Some states have 1 year or 2 statue of limitations by the way. Yeah can argue federal and other ways to pursue a case but why let your statute SOL blow if this issue is rocking the hobby.

The ramifications of the card alteration scandal will not be fully appreciated for a while as again everyone knows this but you. When enough 'before' pictures are outed and start causing most high grade cards to no longer be able to be sold, do you think that is a non-issue? And they can't be cracked out and resubmitted because the cards will just be outed again. If PSA is required to start replacing numerically cards from the registry and turning them into As, do you think this doesn't affect the hobby?

Do you think this is over just because one dullard says so?

And I'm sorry I hurt your feelings by calling you an idiot.

Originally Posted by samosa4u (Post 1923112)

Somebody trimmed AND recolored an $18,000 USD card? :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

You have to have a REALLY large set of balls to do that - larger than Tony Montana's.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1923113)

It's all relative. If you have millions, it's not much to risk particularly if you think there's a decent chance you'll succeed. People bet a hell of a lot more than that every day.

Originally Posted by MULLINS5 (Post 1923118)

I agree with you, but I'm starting to feel like they know ahead of time what the grade will be before going through the trouble.

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector (Post 1923107)

right so now you saying the statute of limitations didnt expire so its still early for lawsuits. What about 3 months before the statute of limitations or a year. I dont know about you but most lawyers dont wait until right before the statute of limitations to file anything as there is added risk such blowing an issue and thus blowing the statute or class action occurs earlier and there is no opt out along with hundreds of other problems in waiting to the last minute etc

The fact you are mentioning statute of limitations being an issue as to why no lawsuits have been filed does prove that you do think lawsuits would be filed since this current scandal is a huge issue but only because enough time has not passed no lawsuits have been filed. If lawsuits or not didnt mean anything why bother to bring up the statute of limitations.

So its not absurd I am bringing up the fact that no lawsuits have been filed. 2 years from now, if still no lawsuits are filed, would you then agree that its far from rocking the hobby in that it would appear most people are happy/refunded with the outcome..

Its ok you said i am an idiot....you spent time to write that and there is much supply and demand for your services so your time in so expensive that you still took what little free time you have to call me names and make a your mama joke. i am honored. Peter C lives..