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thetahat 09-13-2021 04:08 AM

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Two beauties! Usually these have faded to a light baby blue or even a sandy grey.

And definitely the same maker as the sliding scene Pennants.

Mark, the baby blue really is a distinct color from the darker blues above. Can tell from the back and peeking under the spine. The two on opposite ends of the bottom row are distinct.

mrreality68 09-13-2021 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2144166)
Mark, the baby blue really is a distinct color from the darker blues above. Can tell from the back and peeking under the spine. The two on opposite ends of the bottom row are distinct.

agreed the blues do pop but that Black really is sharp and stands out

Nice overall Display

Fballguy 09-13-2021 12:24 PM

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I put it in a weak bleach solution and it damn near fell apart. It also “grew” about an inch in length.

I wonder if that "weak bleach solution" works on anything else? You could be sitting on a gold mine Rob. What's the formula?:D

ooo-ribay 09-13-2021 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy (Post 2144268)
I wonder if that "weak bleach solution" works on anything else? You could be sitting on a gold mine Rob. What's the formula?:D

Haha!

perezfan 09-14-2021 12:08 PM

Did anyone here happen to snag this one?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/28445064750...p2047675.l2557

ooo-ribay 09-14-2021 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 2144517)
Did anyone here happen to snag this one?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/28445064750...p2047675.l2557

Very nice! Obviously, not I. :cool:

thetahat 09-14-2021 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 2144517)
Did anyone here happen to snag this one?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/28445064750...p2047675.l2557

Not me but I grabbed his two Emmet Kelly Dodgers. Both were cloth and looked like they never saw light.

bocca001 09-16-2021 12:21 PM

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That Jackie Robinson pennant is really nice. I can't compete with that, but I did pick up a monochrome version of this WGN Giants pennant. The WGN pennants from this era are usually so colorful. Hard to find one this colorless.

ooo-ribay 09-16-2021 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bocca001 (Post 2145109)
That Jackie Robinson pennant is really nice. I can't compete with that, but I did pick up a monochrome version of this WGN Giants pennant. The WGN pennants from this era are usually so colorful. Hard to find one this colorless.

Damn, you!! :p

That's nice. I have a blue one with no color but it's the one with the 1958 date. Where'd you find your latest?

bocca001 09-16-2021 05:58 PM

It was an ebay. My favorite part about it is the groovy spine.

Duluth Eskimo 09-16-2021 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bocca001 (Post 2145109)
That Jackie Robinson pennant is really nice. I can't compete with that, but I did pick up a monochrome version of this WGN Giants pennant. The WGN pennants from this era are usually so colorful. Hard to find one this colorless.

That’s a nice pennant Marc. Probably the rarest of all those styles in blue and black.

Fballguy 09-17-2021 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bocca001 (Post 2145210)
It was an ebay. My favorite part about it is the groovy spine.

I think that's an "end of the roll" spine. Great looking pennant though. He had a nice black and white Dodgers too.

perezfan 09-17-2021 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by bocca001 (Post 2145210)
It was an ebay. My favorite part about it is the groovy spine.

That spine is far out! Have you checked to see if it glows in the dark?

You must have far greater patience than I do. The act of weeding through thousands of modern, common, beaten-up, and overpriced vintage pennants just to find a good one like that seems more overwhelming every day. It's become a "needle in a haystack" exercise in futility.

In retrospect, I was fortunate to corral some good ones back in the earliest days of eBay (when the searches were a lot less exhausting).

UKCardGuy 09-17-2021 10:43 AM

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Mail day today! 2 months of hunting and bidding...

I'll spend the weekend sorting them out. I've put in an acrylic shelf like others have done. I'll add these to the rotation. :)

The tassels on the Fenway Park Scroll are in an interesting location. The spine looks good. I'd be interested in thoughts/feedback on it.

bocca001 09-17-2021 11:03 AM

Nice, Gary, especially the All Stars.

About ebay etc.... it is really hard to find stuff these days. Most good things sell right away. Within minutes. There were some really rare Raiders pennants a few weeks ago. The seller had them as an auction, closed, and then listed as BIN. I think they sold in about 2 seconds once listed as BIN. It was crazy.

This Giants pennant was a BIN, and I probably bought it within an hour of it being listed. Most good things with BIN don't last even that long.

Somehow, Jonsstats always seems to come up with rare and interesting stuff. Usually not for teams that I buy, but interesting to watch.

ooo-ribay 09-17-2021 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bocca001 (Post 2145385)
Nice, Gary, especially the All Stars.

About ebay etc.... it is really hard to find stuff these days. Most good things sell right away. Within minutes. There were some really rare Raiders pennants a few weeks ago. The seller had them as an auction, closed, and then listed as BIN. I think they sold in about 2 seconds once listed as BIN. It was crazy.

This Giants pennant was a BIN, and I probably bought it within an hour of it being listed. Most good things with BIN don't last even that long.

Someone....I think....is on ebay more than they admit. :p

thetahat 09-17-2021 12:48 PM

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Another lucky pennant (three bottom tassels). And an undated ‘54. Trench must have at least half a dozen different ‘54 versions.

I’ve noticed that the scroll font is usually one of two types. Before 1950 the names look neatly handwritten. From 1950- they look stenciled. This pennant has a mix of the two, mostly stenciled but some handwritten (Avila, Rosen, Doby, Mitchell).

perezfan 09-17-2021 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy (Post 2145374)
Mail day today! 2 months of hunting and bidding...

I'll spend the weekend sorting them out. I've put in an acrylic shelf like others have done. I'll add these to the rotation. :)

The tassels on the Fenway Park Scroll are in an interesting location. The spine looks good. I'd be interested in thoughts/feedback on it.

Nice haul, Gary...

Those are 3 terrific All Star Game Pennants. With regard to the Fenway Pennant, that may be the closest-together set of tassels I've ever seen on a vintage pennant. The Mitchell & Ness reproductions very often have sets of tassels that are closer together than normall. But nothing close to the Fenway pennant you posted.

I'm guessing the laborer was either intoxicated, very tired, or perhaps just messing around to construct it that way. Very bizarre, but a cool find none-the-less!

ooo-ribay 09-17-2021 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2145429)
Another lucky pennant (three bottom tassels). And an undated ‘54. Trench must have at least half a dozen different ‘54 versions.

I’ve noticed that the scroll font is usually one of two types. Before 1950 the names look neatly handwritten. From 1950- they look stenciled. This pennant has a mix of the two, mostly stenciled but some handwritten (Avila, Rosen, Doby, Mitchell).

I’m not seeing it (stencil vs. handwritten). :confused:

UKCardGuy 09-17-2021 02:17 PM

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Nice haul, Gary...

Those are 3 terrific All Star Game Pennants. With regard to the Fenway Pennant, that may be the closest-together set of tassels I've ever seen on a vintage pennant. The Mitchell & Ness reproductions very often have sets of tassels that are closer together than normall. But nothing close to the Fenway pennant you posted.

I'm guessing the laborer was either intoxicated, very tired, or perhaps just messing around to construct it that way. Very bizarre, but a cool find none-the-less!

Thanks Mark. I'm thinking quality control wasn't the main aim for pennant manufacturers back in the day.

Erik, I love that Indians pennant. I like pennants that I can date. There's another similar Indians scroll pennant that I was confusing with yours. This one is from 1950. I don't own this one - but I'd love to. I can date it by the last player on the scroll - Hal Saltzman. He played in the minors from 1947-49 and then picked up by the Indians for the 1950 season but never made it into a game. https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Hal_Saltzman

thetahat 09-17-2021 02:54 PM

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Thanks Mark. I'm thinking quality control wasn't the main aim for pennant manufacturers back in the day.

Erik, I love that Indians pennant. I like pennants that I can date. There's another similar Indians scroll pennant that I was confusing with yours. This one is from 1950. I don't own this one - but I'd love to. I can date it by the last player on the scroll - Hal Saltzman. He played in the minors from 1947-49 and then picked up by the Indians for the 1950 season but never made it into a game. https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Hal_Saltzman

Now that’s good stuff, and it complicates my “theory”. These are mine, I actually thought both were 1949 because of Ken Keltner being on the red, he never appeared in 1950 but I see that he was released in mid-April. So thank you for that info.

Here’s a 1950 Red Sox with a mix of two different fonts, more obvious when comparing the 1949 and 1950 Braves.

thetahat 09-17-2021 03:07 PM

Gary: those All star pennants are fantastic!

UKCardGuy 09-17-2021 03:15 PM

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Agree that those are great. The Conigliaro is less than full size, is it not? I noticed the team pennant has the same "M" we've seen before. I'm not sure if Kyle or anyone else ever nailed that down...

As I have the Tony and Billy Conigliaro pennant in hand...I can confirm it's 19.5" long.

Also following up the thread about ASCO/Madaras/Button House, Here's a photo of the rear of my Conigliaro pennant.

BeanTown 09-20-2021 07:44 AM

Does anyone have any period pennants which show Ty Cobb on it? I haven’t searched this long thread and sorry if one was showed earlier.

UKCardGuy 09-20-2021 11:58 AM

The only one that comes to mind are the 1916 Ferguson Bakery Ty Cobb Pennants

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/90/b5/01/9...ee2de6109a.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...gfonA&usqp=CAU

Bugsy 09-20-2021 01:49 PM

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The only one that comes to mind are the 1916 Ferguson Bakery Ty Cobb Pennants

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/90/b5/01/9...ee2de6109a.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...gfonA&usqp=CAU

There is also a BF2 premium of Cobb

Bugsy 09-20-2021 01:52 PM

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This one appears to have been removed from some kind of display. There was also a McGraw that had the same trimming and stitch holes.

BeanTown 09-20-2021 03:26 PM

Thanks for posting. I’ve never owned a Ty Cobb pennant before and I want to add one for the collection. I didn’t realize there were a couple options.

rlevy 09-20-2021 06:57 PM

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Did anyone here happen to snag this one?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/28445064750...p2047675.l2557

Mark, I was the winning bidder on this one. I didn’t want to say anything until I had it in hand. This Jackie Robinson barnstorming pennant was on my “top 3 pennants wanted” list, and I was surprised to see it turn up in a 24 hour eBay auction. There must be more of them out there, but I haven’t seen one for sale before. The barnstorming tours are a fascinating story and important part of baseball and American history, dating back to Ruth and Gehrig and continuing up through the date of this pennant. Jackie headed up 3 tours, one in 1948, one in 1950, and the one this pennant was made for, 1953. Interestingly, the last one was the only one that also featured some white players on his team, including Branca and Hodges, however there was at least one game when the white players had to sit on the bench when local laws segregation laws prevented blacks and white from playing together. This is only my fourth Jackie pennant, and by my count I still have 5 to go.

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ooo-ribay 09-20-2021 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2145474)

Here’s a 1950 Red Sox with a mix of two different fonts, more obvious when comparing the 1949 and 1950 Braves.

I can see font differences from pennant to pennant but not within the same scroll…. :confused:

ooo-ribay 09-20-2021 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rlevy (Post 2146494)
Mark, I was the winning bidder on this one. I didn’t want to say anything until I had it in hand. This Jackie Robinson barnstorming pennant was on my “top 3 pennants wanted” list, and I was surprised to see it turn up in a 24 hour eBay auction. There must be more of them out there, but I haven’t seen one for sale before. The barnstorming tours are a fascinating story and important part of baseball and American history, dating back to Ruth and Gehrig and continuing up through the date of this pennant. Jackie headed up 3 tours, one in 1948, one in 1950, and the one this pennant was made for, 1953. Interestingly, the last one was the only one that also featured some white players on his team, including Branca and Hodges, however there was at least one game when the white players had to sit on the bench when local laws segregation laws prevented blacks and white from playing together. This is only my fourth Jackie pennant, and by my count I still have 5 to go.

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Fantastic pick up, Rick!

I noticed it looks more teal blue in the listing. Your pic looks green. Which is more accurate?

rlevy 09-20-2021 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2146527)
Fantastic pick up, Rick!

I noticed it looks more teal blue in the listing. Your pic looks green. Which is more accurate?

thanks Rob. I also thought it was teal blue also, but it is green, front and back. 12 games to go, could be pretty exciting.

perezfan 09-21-2021 12:29 AM

Phenomenal pickup Rick! Glad it found the right home. I love everything about that pennant.... the colors, the graphics, and the subject matter are all unbeatable. Many congrats on landing that rare beauty! :eek:

ooo-ribay 09-21-2021 06:06 AM

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thanks Rob. I also thought it was teal blue also, but it is green, front and back. 12 games to go, could be pretty exciting.

I love the green….especially with the aqua and the yellow. Your pennant is in pretty amazing condition.

thetahat 09-21-2021 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by rlevy (Post 2146494)
Mark, I was the winning bidder on this one. I didn’t want to say anything until I had it in hand. This Jackie Robinson barnstorming pennant was on my “top 3 pennants wanted” list, and I was surprised to see it turn up in a 24 hour eBay auction. There must be more of them out there, but I haven’t seen one for sale before. The barnstorming tours are a fascinating story and important part of baseball and American history, dating back to Ruth and Gehrig and continuing up through the date of this pennant. Jackie headed up 3 tours, one in 1948, one in 1950, and the one this pennant was made for, 1953. Interestingly, the last one was the only one that also featured some white players on his team, including Branca and Hodges, however there was at least one game when the white players had to sit on the bench when local laws segregation laws prevented blacks and white from playing together. This is only my fourth Jackie pennant, and by my count I still have 5 to go.

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Rick … that’s a great pennant and it’s in incredible condition. Those pennants fade so easily. The cloth pennants are so beautiful in their original color. Hopefully if you display you can have it protected from UV. Congrats!

rlevy 09-21-2021 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 2146556)
Phenomenal pickup Rick! Glad it found the right home. I love everything about that pennant.... the colors, the graphics, and the subject matter are all unbeatable. Many congrats on landing that rare beauty! :eek:

Thanks Mark, I know you have some rare Jackie's on your wall. My hunt continues.

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I love the green….especially with the aqua and the yellow. Your pennant is in pretty amazing condition.

Rob, I agree, very unusual colors on this. Looks quite different than any other pennant I own, including the red version with Jackie in a circle.

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Rick … that’s a great pennant and it’s in incredible condition. Those pennants fade so easily. The cloth pennants are so beautiful in their original color. Hopefully if you display you can have it protected from UV. Congrats!

Thanks Greg. I saw the condition of the 2 pennants you picked up from the same seller and was hoping this one was in as nice condition as yours appeared. The seller's photo's weren't the best so it was difficult to be certain as to the condition. I do keep all pennants in a room that has little direct light and lcd lighting, so they should be safe from fading.

The addition of those 2 Brooklyn Bum pennants must give you a pretty good collection of colorful bums. How many sets do you have of those? I don't have any yet myself, time to pick one up somewhere:).

UKCardGuy 09-21-2021 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rlevy (Post 2146494)
Mark, I was the winning bidder on this one. I didn’t want to say anything until I had it in hand. This Jackie Robinson barnstorming pennant was on my “top 3 pennants wanted” list, and I was surprised to see it turn up in a 24 hour eBay auction. There must be more of them out there, but I haven’t seen one for sale before. The barnstorming tours are a fascinating story and important part of baseball and American history, dating back to Ruth and Gehrig and continuing up through the date of this pennant. Jackie headed up 3 tours, one in 1948, one in 1950, and the one this pennant was made for, 1953. Interestingly, the last one was the only one that also featured some white players on his team, including Branca and Hodges, however there was at least one game when the white players had to sit on the bench when local laws segregation laws prevented blacks and white from playing together. This is only my fourth Jackie pennant, and by my count I still have 5 to go.

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Wow! That's a beauty. Really nice pickjp.

thetahat 09-21-2021 02:16 PM

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Thanks Mark, I know you have some rare Jackie's on your wall. My hunt continues.



Rob, I agree, very unusual colors on this. Looks quite different than any other pennant I own, including the red version with Jackie in a circle.



Thanks Greg. I saw the condition of the 2 pennants you picked up from the same seller and was hoping this one was in as nice condition as yours appeared. The seller's photo's weren't the best so it was difficult to be certain as to the condition. I do keep all pennants in a room that has little direct light and lcd lighting, so they should be safe from fading.

The addition of those 2 Brooklyn Bum pennants must give you a pretty good collection of colorful bums. How many sets do you have of those? I don't have any yet myself, time to pick one up somewhere:).

Rick, I have ten … all different in terms of color and material. I have six colors in felt (black, blue, two different purples, green, red) and now four different colors in cloth. Also have a LA Dodgers with Emmet Kelly.

That’s good that you can protect that pennant from UV. The rarity and the condition really make it one of a kind. You got a great deal, I could see that going for 10 grand in a private auction …

rlevy 09-21-2021 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2146765)
Rick, I have ten … all different in terms of color and material. I have six colors in felt (black, blue, two different purples, green, red) and now four different colors in cloth. Also have a LA Dodgers with Emmet Kelly.

That’s good that you can protect that pennant from UV. The rarity and the condition really make it one of a kind. You got a great deal, I could see that going for 10 grand in a private auction …

I know you have stated your preference for the cloth varieties, and I have to agree, especially in the Emmet Kelly pennants. I also have the LA version, but none of the Brooklyn ones yet.

You might be right on the value of the pennant, but I am certain it wouldn't get $10k if I were the consignor:D.

thetahat 09-21-2021 06:31 PM

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I know you have stated your preference for the cloth varieties, and I have to agree, especially in the Emmet Kelly pennants. I also have the LA version, but none of the Brooklyn ones yet.

You might be right on the value of the pennant, but I am certain it wouldn't get $10k if I were the consignor:D.

This is my only Jackie pennant, do you know that there is another “2nd baseman” version? I’ve seen it just once, I forget where ..

thetahat 09-21-2021 06:34 PM

So I’ve seen four pennants of the above style, which I do believe were WGNs:

Robinson
Doby
Paige
Luke Easter? I think I have seen Easter before but a Google search pulls up nothing.

Cool how they did this for the early African American players, I wonder if there are any others.

rlevy 09-21-2021 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2146841)
This is my only Jackie pennant, do you know that there is another “2nd baseman” version? I’ve seen it just once, I forget where ..

Right, the 1st baseman version is from 1947, the 2nd baseman from (1948) and later, which he was moved to in order to make room for Gil Hodges. I have seen the 1947 version in both green and red, but the 1948 only in red, and it hasn't popped up for sale very often.

perezfan 09-22-2021 12:41 AM

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perezfan 09-22-2021 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rlevy (Post 2146850)
Right, the 1st baseman version is from 1947, the 2nd baseman from (1948) and later, which he was moved to in order to make room for Gil Hodges. I have seen the 1947 version in both green and red, but the 1948 only in red, and it hasn't popped up for sale very often.

I have the '47 Jackie version in blue, and have also seen it in burgundy and in black.

I also have a Don Newcombe pennant that may or may not be made by WGN, and same thing for a Pee Wee Reese (which is 3/4 size).

And yes, the Luke Easter is definitely WGN (it looks just like the Paige pennant)

thetahat 09-23-2021 02:12 PM

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Mark your Newcombe pennant is awesome. I scrolled back and found it (post #231). Don’t know of another vintage pennant with a facsimile autograph. I think it’s from another unknown company, it resembles the Yankees and Red Sox roster pennants that are from that era. The letters are a dead giveaway.

perezfan 09-23-2021 05:13 PM

Nice observation Greg... I agree that the font is a match. Really fun to put these little pieces of info together after owning these things for so many years with little thought to who made them!

Domer05 09-23-2021 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2147433)
Mark your Newcombe pennant is awesome. I scrolled back and found it (post #231). Don’t know of another vintage pennant with a facsimile autograph. I think it’s from another unknown company, it resembles the Yankees and Red Sox roster pennants that are from that era. The letters are a dead giveaway.

I'm pretty sure this Red Sox pennant, and the Newcombe one, are by Trench. That wacky font was also used on some Dodger and Yankee NL champ pennants from the late 40s, early 50s.

Can't be WGN because they weren't using tassels by the late 1940s.

ooo-ribay 09-26-2021 11:09 AM

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I just picked this up from JR. I'm surprised he didn't mention that it has "GREAT EYE APPEAL" :p

This sort of fits in my Giants collection because the Giants played the Orions every spring from 1970-72. In 1971, the Orions conducted their entire Spring Training in AZ (a first) and ended with a game against the Angels in Anaheim and then two vs. the Giants in Candlestick. I would imagine the red, white and blue, with stars, was a nod to their American experience. This pennant is unlike anything we usually see - sewn on color panels and die cut lettering. I like it.

bocca001 09-26-2021 06:05 PM

Rob- I almost bid on that Orions pennant, mostly because they owned (I think) and had players play on the 1972 (I think) California League team from Lodi (Lodi Orions). Did not know about the Giants connection. Glad you got it. The colors seem to be a clear match with that 1971 program.

ooo-ribay 09-26-2021 08:01 PM

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Glad you got it.

Glad you let me get it! :p


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